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#1 Posted on 20.12.04 1519.19
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He has to get surgery on his ankle. This really isn't fair and seems to always happen to us. I think we have no chance without him. Are you ready to lose another championship game?

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#2 Posted on 20.12.04 1523.30
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This sucks, but I don't think its a death knell for Philly's superbowl shot. The last three years Philly has made it to the NFC title game without TO. The reason they lost two years ago was because McNabb was still recovering from his injury. Last year, they didn't have Westbrook, who has only this year been starting to receive the recognition as the weapon that he really is. He'll have to step up without TO, but so long as McNabb remembers that he's McNabb (like he did on those two rushes and not like he did when he grounded the ball out of bounds), they are still a handful for any team. This is just going to make it more interesting.

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#3 Posted on 20.12.04 1528.38
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I don't wish injury on anyone, but it warms my heart ot know that TO won't get to do a TD dance in the Super Bowl.
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#4 Posted on 20.12.04 1537.05
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Its pretty much done for the Eagles. McNabb is McNabb, but they had problems with Dallas at home and have been having really tough games with T.O. in them. Also, Pinkston their number 2 reciever is showing signs of pussying out of plays. Its going to be up to Westbrook to carry the load, but a smart defense coordinator will stack the line now and go one on one. Philly has to pray they don't run into a motivated Brett Farve or Carolina, because it will be lights out.

Damn, an all Pennsylvania Super Bowl is what I wanted to see and to say I still think the Steelers can pull it off is a huge understatement. Even if Pittsburg gets home field they have to either run into the Colts, Charger and Patriots before its done, not an easy by any stretch of the imaginiation.
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#5 Posted on 20.12.04 1537.41
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I don't wish injury on anyone, but it warms my heart ot know that TO won't get to do a TD dance in the Super Bowl.


The (optimistic) preliminary prognosis is that he's out *until* the Super Bowl, so TO-haters should hold off on the celebration for the moment.

    Originally posted by BWT
    This really isn't fair and seems to always happen to us. I think we have no chance without him.


Self-fulfilling prophecy at it's best? We have two games to play to get that attitude out of our heads before the playoffs. I always like to think that the players themselves are more pyschologically sound than the fans, but I understand the attitude. This *definitely* makes it more interesting.
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#6 Posted on 20.12.04 1542.55
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I don't wish injury on anyone, but it warms my heart ot know that TO won't get to do a TD dance in the Super Bowl.


I don't know whats missing in your life to find joy in someone else suffering an injury but I think thats pretty low and fucking sad. Owens seems like a nice guy but I don't know him personally and neither do you.

After thinking it over all our hopes rest on a 5 10 RB who can't stay healthy and McNabb. Without TO we have no one who the defenses are afraid of now and our best shot will be to go in old McNabb mode, run first pass second.
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#7 Posted on 20.12.04 1551.36
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thats ok, big Steve, Ray Lewis won't be dancing when they come to Pittsburg to have their season end. I hope to God, Ward knocks his overrated ass off the field. I cannnot wait for the Steelers to send Baltimore's overhyped ass for the rest of the year.
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#8 Posted on 20.12.04 1555.50
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Best-case scenario appears to be Super Bowl
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1950067
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#9 Posted on 20.12.04 1559.22
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Watching the Philly-Dallas game yesterday, the announcers (mostly Darryl Johnston) were trying to put over how great it was that Andy Reid was still putting his starters out there. It didn't matter that Philly had already won the division or that, barring a catastrophe, they would have homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

Well, I hope that this news will remind people just how important it is to save your playmakers for the playoffs. A Super Bowl victory is much more important than suiting up TO and risking injuries just for a mostly meaningless game.

Andy Reid has been ripped in the past for playing it safe, and I think this episode will show him that his natural instincts were correct. Philly will still get to the Super Bowl because the NFC is by and large really bad, but they will not win the title.
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#10 Posted on 20.12.04 1600.36
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If not for Manning's ridiculous season, TO would get my vote for MVP.
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#11 Posted on 20.12.04 1734.25
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With Owens out, about 10 teams in the NFC can now start making convoluted arguments that they can get to the Super Bowl. New Orleans Saints: National Football Conference Champions. Has a nice sound to it.
In the late 80's/early 90's the NFC Title Game was the real Super Bowl, with the Super Bowl just being a coronation. It appears that this year, the AFC Title Game is the real Super Bowl.

(edited by redsoxnation on 20.12.04 1835)
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#12 Posted on 20.12.04 1742.07
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I'd like to point out that basically this team made it to the NFC championship game last year, and the year before, and the year before. We had Duce, yes, but this defense is better than last year's version (they can finally stop the run), and McNabb has never been this accurate before. It's not all T.O.

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Its pretty much done for the Eagles. McNabb is McNabb, but they had problems with Dallas at home and have been having really tough games with T.O. in them.


This is a pretty bold statement to make, considering that the Steelers have had trouble with plenty of teams the past few weeks (Giants, Bengals, Washington) as have New England (Bengals and KC). The Eagles don't have to face anybody who is on a huge tear in the NFC, either. I'd say they're in ok shape, but it's by no means over, and Eagle fans shouldn't be leaping off buildings just yet.

If you made me choose who I'd like injured among T.O., McNabb, or Westbrook, I'd choose T.O. every time. Hell, Westbrook is drawing cornerback coverage when he splits outside, opening up a McNabb scramble or pass underneath. And he can run when Andy Reid decides to commit to the run (almost never, but I bet they run 30 times on Monday night). The receiving corps are pretty miserable, but get them motivated, and I think they can play pretty average. They can't be that horrible, they made it to the NFL, right?

I don't think there's anything wrong with the starters playing yesterday. They wanted to wrap up homefield for the playoffs sooner rather than later. What happens if they go into the last game with the pressure of homefield on their shoulders? They also wanted to sweep the NFC East for the first time ever. If you go out there and play scared, play like you are going to be injured every play, then I don't think you should play at all. Use the first round bye to get healthy and refreshed, or, better yet, use the next 3+ weeks.
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#13 Posted on 20.12.04 1803.35
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Roy, in all fairness to the Steelers, The Skins have the #2 D in the league. The Eagles even had trouble with the Skins for a while.
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#14 Posted on 20.12.04 1845.02
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Roy, in all fairness to the Steelers, The Skins have the #2 D in the league. The Eagles even had trouble with the Skins for a while.


I know that, and my point was that all good teams struggle. Just because the Eagles struggled against a very good Redskins defense and Dallas at home (a totally different Dallas team than a month ago) doesn't mean that without T.O., they're done. They're worse off, yes, but not dead in the water.

I just don't like the belief that says since the Eagles aren't blowing out teams like they were at the beginning of the season, they must be an awful team. They would not have won those close games if this were last season (see: losses to Redskins at the end of the season and Dallas at the beginning), and really, T.O. had very little to do with the past two wins. He was shut down a few other times this year, as well.

And, just to be clear, I'm one of the few Eagles fans that didn't predict a trip to the Super Bowl at the beginning of this season. I wasn't prepared to give them a ring (like most people were) back then, and I'm not ready to give them a second round loss now.
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#15 Posted on 20.12.04 1907.24
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Obviously there are some that will take joy in seeing TO go down like this. That will be expected, the guy is like the Goerge Bush of the NFL, hes polarizing.

Im just waiting to see if the Eagles can put the Ewing theory to the test this year.
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#16 Posted on 20.12.04 1921.31
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    Watching the Philly-Dallas game yesterday, the announcers (mostly Darryl Johnston) were trying to put over how great it was that Andy Reid was still putting his starters out there. It didn't matter that Philly had already won the division or that, barring a catastrophe, they would have homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

    Well, I hope that this news will remind people just how important it is to save your playmakers for the playoffs. A Super Bowl victory is much more important than suiting up TO and risking injuries just for a mostly meaningless game.

    Andy Reid has been ripped in the past for playing it safe, and I think this episode will show him that his natural instincts were correct. Philly will still get to the Super Bowl because the NFC is by and large really bad, but they will not win the title.



I have a couple of problems with this. One, I think giving your offense (or at least those considered "stars") 4 weeks off would be a great way to get your offense out of sync. I tend to think you stay sharp by playing against real competition, not sitting on your ass.

The other problem I have is fans pay top dollar to see the "stars". Unless the team is planning to give a discount since they are putting out a second rate product, the players getting paid the big bucks should really get out there and play. Bottomline is that football's real value to society is entertainment, and that's the only reason players get paid the type money that they do.

Sure, fans are bitching now because Owens is hurt. But say they sit him, McNabb, Westbrook, etc. out the rest of the year, and they end up not getting on track in the first playoff game and losing, they would bitch about them NOT playing and getting rusty. And I'm willing to bet there wasn't that much talk about sitting them BEFORE Owens was hurt.
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#17 Posted on 20.12.04 2057.00
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    Originally posted by Roy.
    I'd like to point out that basically this team made it to the NFC championship game last year, and the year before, and the year before. We had Duce, yes, but this defense is better than last year's version (they can finally stop the run), and McNabb has never been this accurate before. It's not all T.O.


Last year, if Thrash had gone down at some point, we'd have just about the same receivers (save Greg Lewis), and there's no major discussion. McNabb and co. have endured under these circumstances before. Notice that McNabb's rushing has been minimal this year. The only times he's really left the pocket with any great effort were when Westbrook was out. With TO, he and Westbrook are the weapons. McNabb's running game is like a third pistol to be pulled out only when one of the other two run out of ammo.

    Originally posted by ges7184
    And I'm willing to bet there wasn't that much talk about sitting them BEFORE Owens was hurt.


Maybe no one was talking about it, but I remember losing Westbrook in like the last game of the season last year. I'm sure that injury had to be on everyone's mind. The only problem is that I agree with you that you need to keep the offense playing to keep them refreshed. Every play you run you risk losing someone for the season. There's just less time to recover and readjust at the end of the season.

And before we get too focused on the implications of how close the Dallas game was, the Steelers only beat the Giants by 3, and right now the Patriots are tied with the Dolphins in the 1st. Just because a team has a losing record doesn't mean you can just walk all over them.
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#18 Posted on 20.12.04 2303.36
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    Originally posted by ges7184
      Originally posted by Torchslasher
      Watching the Philly-Dallas game yesterday, the announcers (mostly Darryl Johnston) were trying to put over how great it was that Andy Reid was still putting his starters out there. It didn't matter that Philly had already won the division or that, barring a catastrophe, they would have homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

      Well, I hope that this news will remind people just how important it is to save your playmakers for the playoffs. A Super Bowl victory is much more important than suiting up TO and risking injuries just for a mostly meaningless game.

      Andy Reid has been ripped in the past for playing it safe, and I think this episode will show him that his natural instincts were correct. Philly will still get to the Super Bowl because the NFC is by and large really bad, but they will not win the title.



    I have a couple of problems with this. One, I think giving your offense (or at least those considered "stars") 4 weeks off would be a great way to get your offense out of sync. I tend to think you stay sharp by playing against real competition, not sitting on your ass.

    The other problem I have is fans pay top dollar to see the "stars". Unless the team is planning to give a discount since they are putting out a second rate product, the players getting paid the big bucks should really get out there and play. Bottomline is that football's real value to society is entertainment, and that's the only reason players get paid the type money that they do.

    Sure, fans are bitching now because Owens is hurt. But say they sit him, McNabb, Westbrook, etc. out the rest of the year, and they end up not getting on track in the first playoff game and losing, they would bitch about them NOT playing and getting rusty. And I'm willing to bet there wasn't that much talk about sitting them BEFORE Owens was hurt.


I'll grant you the Offense needs to stay together point, but I'm sure most of the fans will give up one game of the starters for winning the Super Bowl. This is especially true in the Eagles case.
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#19 Posted on 21.12.04 0344.29
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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    Obviously there are some that will take joy in seeing TO go down like this. That will be expected, the guy is like the Goerge Bush of the NFL, hes polarizing.


Well, they both have no respect for homosexuals (Jeff Garcia), but the difference is that Bush has actually won something before he started shooting his mouth off.

BWT made a comment upthread about not wanting to wish injury on people....and yet I'm laughing my head off. Obviously I don't wish major injury or something to happen to his family, but for him to suddenly have to miss two months JUST before the playoffs? Cry me a river. Perhaps he can carry around a Sharpie in his ankle brace.

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#20 Posted on 21.12.04 0739.54
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They're probably dancing in the streets of Atlanta right now though.
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