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#1 Posted on 4.4.02 1355.06
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...by turning Triple H at Backlash.

Bear with me now. Let me explain.

First off, I really dislike Hogan - not because he sucks in the ring, but because for years he's had no sense of perspective. He senselessly put himself over better, bigger-drawing wrestlers, and do anything within his power to not only stay on top, but also look good regardless of how things turned out. The Hogan-Rock match at Wrestlemania was a perfect example of this. As most of us expected, Hogan did the job and allegedly passed the torch. But in the process, in the words of Scott Keith, he did "the most brilliant political end-run around the entire babyface hierarchy" in the history of the business, and thus got as much out of the match as Rock did, if not more.

Now, Vince is "rewarding" him with a one-on-one title shot against Triple H at Backlash. The situation looks the same... Triple H is trying to get over as a face, beat Chris Jericho (severely weakened as a heel by the buildup - but we won't let him off the hook for not getting Triple H over enough *rolleyes*) at Wrestlemania and now needs a big win to build up credibility. Again, it seems rather obvious that Hogan is doing the job. What scares the hell out of me is what they could do to come to that resolution.

Take a quick look at the lineup of the New World Order... X-Pac, Kevin Nash (who's injured but I expect him to remain on TV anyway), and Scott Hall. All three are Clique members, as is Triple H. X-Pac is a former D-X member. Look who's also on the sidelines and would be a perfect fit into Nash's spot... Shawn Michaels, former D-X member and Clique member. Combine that with Hogan's predisposition to never do a clean job unless he benefits. Add this all up, and the following scenario is a distinct possibility...

The ref has been bumped. Hogan hulks up, gets Triple H down with a big boot... but when he goes for the legdrop, Shawn Michaels comes in out of nowhere and pastes him with Sweet Chin Music. Trips applies a Pedigree while Shawn revives the ref, and the ref counts the pin for Trips to retain. Shawn takes off his shirt to reveal an NWO shirt. Trips at first is shocked, then gives his buddy a hug. The rest of the NWO comes in to further beat down Hogan and celebrate, and the WWF title belt is tagged as the show goes off.

So why is this such a bad thing?

1. Once again, Hogan has gotten something out of a relatively clean job. He's been primely positioned as the top face in the company - at the age of 45 or 60 or whatever the hell he is (too old to even be in the business).

2. The history of the Wrestlemania title match is completely destroyed with its babyface having gone heel a month later, and the decision to put Trips over Jericho looks even more pointless and stupid in the process.

3. Jericho, Angle, and the rest of the rising stars of the WWF will have their opportunities to become major stars killed in the cradle. Jericho, especially, will be hurt, since Trips has some personal issue with him and would never let him be a bigger heel star than Trips would be.

In short... politics would rule again. It would be WCW all over again.

I know Vince will do something like this if he has the chance. I can feel it. Please, folks, pray with me that the Fed will decide to do a triple threat match with the Undertaker (where most of this occuring would be a laughable prospect at best) and that the one man who can reel in Vince & Stephanie and their dumbass tendencies steps in.

Save us, Heyman!
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#2 Posted on 4.4.02 1421.04
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Stop man, please. I mean, some of what you say makes sense, but when you launch into the attacks on Trips AGAIN (for no apparent reason) it just burns my biscuit, or something. I'll admit that Hogan's pretty much bypassed any face heirarchy that might exist in the WWF, but once again let me state that the WWF is NOT WCW. Right now, Hogan's pops are colossal, and it would be supremely retarded to not to take advantage of that. Once his heat dies, however (which it will) you can bet your bottom dollar that Vince won't let him run rampant at the top of the card.

And your theorem about the WrestleMania main event is incredibly flawed. If anything destroyed it's history, it was Trips going over in 2000 only to job to The Rock a month later. How can you make statements like that when there have been so many other things like it in the past few years? Oh yeah, it involves Jericho, I forgot.

And lest I remind you, Heyman managed to book ECW into the ground and then some. And that's coming from one of ECW's biggest fans.
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#3 Posted on 4.4.02 1630.49
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    I mean, some of what you say makes sense, but when you launch into the attacks on Trips AGAIN (for no apparent reason) it just burns my biscuit, or something.

It burns my biscuit that Stephanie McMahon booked the feud so that it revolved around the divorce, sex jokes, and dogs getting run over by cars, and not about the title, about desire, and about Jericho doing whatever he could to remain the champion. It burns my biscuit that Triple H essentially squashed Jericho at Wrestlemania (after selling a "career-threatening leg injury" only slightly) and thus made him look like a total cad. It burns my biscuit that Stephanie had to interject herself into the rematch, dumbing its quality down, and booking such a shabby ending that only furthered the image of Jericho as a total nothing. You're talking to one of the biggest Jericho fans on the planet, and if you can't admit that Trips was in on this somehow, then you're missing the big picture.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    And your theorem about the WrestleMania main event is incredibly flawed. If anything destroyed it's history, it was Trips going over in 2000 only to job to The Rock a month later.

Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING, destroys the history of a feud more than a turn executed by one of the participants in it, not even a next-PPV job. Austin-HHH was rendered completely meaningless by HHH's non-turn after WMX7 and by HHH's injury stopping the break-up of the Two Man Power-Trip in its tracks (and admit it, Austin v. HHH would have been the focus of the Invasion had HHH not gotten hurt). Austin-Angle was destroyed by Angle's turn not three/four WEEKS after Austin won the WWF title back with the help of turncoat Regal and three months of lingering hatred and three PPV matches. HHH-Jericho would be destroyed if HHH turned, because then the crowds would be booing somebody they were cheering back from injury just a month prior, and it makes the divorce angle look pointless.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    How can you make statements like that when there have been so many other things like it in the past few years? Oh yeah, it involves Jericho, I forgot.

You're right, it happens a lot... and I'm saying it shouldn't happen at all. I was pissed as all hell when Angle turned because it invalidated three months of history. Here, not only does it invalidate history (a history I don't like, but respect nevertheless) but it squashes any chances of Jericho being a main eventer again for years.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    And lest I remind you, Heyman managed to book ECW into the ground and then some. And that's coming from one of ECW's biggest fans.

Maybe so, but any of the worst things Paul ever did is still one-up on some of the shit Vince's put us through.
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#4 Posted on 4.4.02 1646.08
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I think it's pretty obvious that the backstage politics that destroyed WCW have made their way to the WWF. When Hogan was in WCW, he had such a great buddy-buddy relationship with Bischoff that was just like Hogan's relationship with Vince in the 80s, where they would ride together on Harleys and all of that stuff. No matter how much it hurt his company, Bischoff always looked out for Hogan's best interests, because he was a moron that thought Hogan was a good longterm investment for WCW. HA!

Jericho was booked over Austin & Rock, but once they were out of the picture, Stephanie took the belts and started to do the damage for Jericho bringing him out of the picture. That's what was wrong with the WMX8 angle and that's why Jericho's main event career could be ruined as a result of it. Austin, Jericho & Rock were sacrificed to get HHH over once again, except Stephanie's machinations may have accidentally ruined his face heat.

Triple H & Stephanie is just like Hogan & Bischoff in every concievable way (except maybe the sex part). Stephanie will do whatever she can to protect HHH's interests over any other wrestler's interests (whether it be Rock, Austin, or even Hogan) and the affects are shown on a weekly basis.

Of course, Hogan (the master) has returned to the WWF and I'm really interested to see if he can work his magic and unseat HHH as the political master in the WWF. Personally, I don't think it'll happen, because HHH is practically a McMahon already and Hogan watched his political manuvering destroy WCW, so he may take it easy this time around.

The unfortunate side to all of this is that the REAL superstars who have worked their way up through the WWF's old "Pay Your Dues!" system (Austin, Rock, Angle, Jericho) are going to get screwed. This is what will kill the WWF. Just like WCW forsake its real stars (and real potential stars), the WWF is beginning to do the same.

Yeah, I know HHH payed his dues for a while, but he only REALLY got ahead when he started becoming a part of the McMahon family.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 4.4.02 1448)
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#5 Posted on 4.4.02 1700.56
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"Jericho, Angle, and the rest of the rising stars of the WWF will have their opportunities to become major stars killed in the cradle. Jericho, especially, will be hurt, since Trips has some personal issue with him and would never let him be a bigger heel star than Trips would be."


I don't see how it is going to kill Jericho and Angle if Michaels and HHH join the nWo. The nWo is on Raw. Jericho and Angle are on Smackdown. Only the champion can be on both shows. I don't see how it is likely that Michaels will join just because he is on the sidelines and used to be in the Clique. Is Foley going to come back and reform the Rock and Sock connection just because he is on the sideline and has former ties to Rock?

This is not WCW. Politics don't fly. Big Daddy Bitch went nowhere. Ausin walked out and it went nowhere. Hogan and Hall have both jobbed on ppv.

I don't see how Hogan pulled any politics at Wrestlemania either. Nearly 68,000 fans decided to cheer him over the number one face in the WWF. Ever since then he blows the roof off every arena he comes out in. You might have a case to say Vince is going to kill the wwf if he didn't take advantage of this.

I think Jericho's push was killed by lack of reaction. Before the stupid heat killing Stephanie stuff, he was against Austin. And for that month he didn't get nearly the reaction the undisputed champion needs to. So I think just as much as Stephanie may have hurt him, he partly dropped the ball.

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#6 Posted on 4.4.02 1732.34
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SKLOKAZOID said:

    I think it's pretty obvious that the backstage politics that destroyed WCW have made their way to the WWF.


How exactly do you know this? And isn't it rather early to make these comparisons?


    Triple H & Stephanie is just like Hogan & Bischoff in every concievable way (except maybe the sex part). Stephanie will do whatever she can to protect HHH's interests over any other wrestler's interests (whether it be Rock, Austin, or even Hogan) and the affects are shown on a weekly basis.


H}{H is a great wrestler (not quite to his old standards yet) and is a proven draw. He deserves his main event slot. Having him in the money feuds just makes good business sense to me.


    The unfortunate side to all of this is that the REAL superstars who have worked their way up through the WWF's old "Pay Your Dues!" system (Austin, Rock, Angle, Jericho) are going to get screwed. This is what will kill the WWF. Just like WCW forsake its real stars (and real potential stars), the WWF is beginning to do the same.


I doubt that Austin and Rock are going to suffer. They've got too much clout to let themselves be screwed. Hell, we've just seen Austin protect his interests.

I think a bigger problem lies with the viewers. It's more and more obvious that people are anticipating that what they see will be crap. And when you're zeroed in on crap, guess what you will find? Crap. I find it more refreshing to say, "you know, RAW was decent so I'll see what SD! is like." Be prepared to be pleasantly surprised, but don't go into the experience so jaded, because you'll only see what you want to see: politics, glass ceilings and bad angles.

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#7 Posted on 4.4.02 2345.17
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Only thing I would question is the statement that HHH is a ratings draw. When he was last put on top of the WWF in the big angle post WM 17 the ratings declined by something like 30% in 2 months. And IIRC didn't Meltzer just recently publish a list of ratings draws and show that HHH turns off something like 130,000 viewers when his segments come on?
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#8 Posted on 5.4.02 0038.11
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Politics in the WWF have been very bad since 2000, and they are clearly the reason for the Foley de-push, the Austin heel/face turn shenanigans, and the constant burial of Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho, who, between mid-2000 until recently, have had more than enough heat to catapult into the main event, but are currently mired in the mid-card.

Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and even Rob Van Dam have been more over as faces than HHH during the past two years...so why is HHH the face undisputed champion?
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#9 Posted on 5.4.02 0051.13
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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    ...by turning Triple H at Backlash.



    So why is this such a bad thing?



    1. Once again, Hogan has gotten something out of a relatively clean job.



Can you tell me what is so gosh-awful about a man getting over for doing a "relatively clean job?" With the lack of clean finishes in wrestling these days, I think someone of a high stature who jobs cleanly should be given a stinking gold plated car.

Matches aren't designed solely to get this person or that person over. If both contestants can get something out of an ending (a la Rock/Hogan), then more power to them. That is the way it should be.
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#10 Posted on 5.4.02 0055.55
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Vince can kill the WWF only by not making Benoit champion as soon as he returns. Rock will help Scorpion King make $400 million, become the newest action movie superstar, and quit wrestling. Austin is one slightly bad bump from paralysis. UT and Hogan are having their swan songs soon. Angle had his run, and so did Jericho. That leaves Benoit as the newest face holding the WWF championship. Hopefully he'll do it at Hogan's retirement match.

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#11 Posted on 5.4.02 0120.33
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    Originally posted by Sean
    Politics in the WWF have been very bad since 2000, and they are clearly the reason for the Foley de-push, the Austin heel/face turn shenanigans, and the constant burial of Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho, who, between mid-2000 until recently, have had more than enough heat to catapult into the main event, but are currently mired in the mid-card.

    Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and even Rob Van Dam have been more over as faces than HHH during the past two years...so why is HHH the face undisputed champion?



What was the Foley de-push you reference? He was retired for almost all of 2000, and I hope you aren't referring to the retirement as such.

Chris Jericho is right now in a midcard feud (or at least will be) AFTER a WWF Title reign. I guess you for got that part. He already has "catapulted into the main event." Same with Angle.

Rob van Dam main evented a PPV his third month in the company. That is amazing. That said, and even when you take into account his wins over Austin, Angle, Undertaker, he still has no business being WWF Champion at this point. The WWF could have probably sent him to the main event scene for good by now, but it's just too early. Even Kurt Angle had to wait a year.
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#12 Posted on 5.4.02 0207.37
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Texas Kelly:

Add me to the "Keep HHH Face" List.

I'm sorry but I don't think there's much else he can do as a heel anymore. Plus I personally like a legit reason to cheer the man. ;)
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#13 Posted on 5.4.02 0315.16
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Here's just some food for thought:

You've only got the WWF to watch. If WCW was running in the same way it was in 1998/1999 alongside the WWF today,t hen you'd see what politics was all about. Until people like Hogan, Trips, nWo et al start playing to dead crowds and putting zero effort into their matches, then you've got nothing to complain about. The WWF wants to keep Jericho and Angle back for the time being? That's fine, because they've got big-time draws at the top of the card right now, so they don't need to push new main-event talent. You guys may hate, but the promotion is a business and I daresay that HHH/Hogan will draw bigtime, moreso than an HHH/Angle or HHH/Jericho matchup.

And Texas, you're 100% right about the Stehpanie involvement in the Mania main event. If you notice, Trips was also booked to look like a complete maroon during the buildup. Does the line "Don't mess with my dog" ring any bells?
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#14 Posted on 5.4.02 0336.52
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Here's my prediction:

We end up with a HHH/Hogan/'Taker triple-threat match at Backlash.

'Taker pins Hogan clean, getting back the win that Hogan "owes" him. 'Taker drops the belt the next night to Austin or HHH on RAW.

If he drops it to Austin, we will get face Austin on RAW, and heel Austin on Smackdown! setting up Austin vs. Hogan for the next PPV.

This way, Austin can step into Smackdown! while The Rock is off promoting Scorpion King.

Why Hogan again? Face it, he's got a limited shelf-life. The Rock, HHH, and Austin all deserve the chance to main event against him before he wears out, or wears out his welcome.

By saving Austin for his last opponent, if the public turns against Hogan again, they have Austin to play the face role. If not, Austin has no qualms about heeling it up.

Following this timeline, Hogan can have his farewell match against McMahon at Summerslam. Then he can retire as an active wrestler and fulfill the terms of his contract as a commissioner or manager or male valet or something.

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#15 Posted on 5.4.02 0339.43
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1. Once again, Hogan has gotten something out of a relatively clean job. He's been primely positioned as the top face in the company - at the age of 45 or 60 or whatever the hell he is (too old to even be in the business).

Umm...Yeah. That's part of what you want from a clean job. You don't want to destroy your wrestlers by jobbing them, especially not the main eventers. Jeez, Rock has made a career out of jobbing at opportune times yet looking good enough to keep his heat.

2. The history of the Wrestlemania title match is completely destroyed with its babyface having gone heel a month later, and the decision to put Trips over Jericho looks even more pointless and stupid in the process.


Honestly, the history of the WrestleMania title match hasn't meant a whole lot for a long time. Every so often, somebody will get their first big win (Michaels, Austin) at Mania, and it'll mean something special. But casual fans really aren't keeping track of who turns and when (as long as the story makes sense and/or is entertaining). Of course one could point out that Austin turned heel DURING the title match last year, if you're so worried about heel/face Mania stuff.

3. Jericho, Angle, and the rest of the rising stars of the WWF will have their opportunities to become major stars killed in the cradle. Jericho, especially, will be hurt, since Trips has some personal issue with him and would never let him be a bigger heel star than Trips would be.


Jericho will never be a bigger heel star than HHH because the fans haven't bought into his character (and weren't pre-Steph, so much so that people were BEGGING the WWF to hook him up with Stephanie). Plus, as has been stated, Jericho and Angle are heels on a completely different show. Undertaker is about the only one who'd be affected by this. Besides, I'm a bit tired of this Angle/Jericho prattling. Angle has always been presented as a star in, or just out of, the main event. He was severely hurt however, recently, by the fact that the company's number one heel (Steve Austin) was more over as a face than he was.

Jericho on the other hand, has never really been convincingly threatening as an evil character. It's not really completely the WWF's fault either. Jericho isn't built to be a dominating physical champion (like HHH was in 2000), but played his best heel as the whiny sniveling champion who was sad because nobody respected him. Thus he had to CHEAT TO WIN (tm Eddie Guerro). Unfortunately, this type of Champion is really just a place holder for the next face to come along (the notable exceptions being: Michaels, Flair, and Hart). Like a heel version of Sting (discounting the actual heel version of Sting). The fact that he held the title from Vengence to Mania is astonishing, and really enough to establish him as a credible threat to the belt.

In short... politics would rule again. It would be WCW all over again.


Who's politics? I doubt HHH had to do a whole hell of a lot of lobbying to get the belt as Vince and Co. have been itching to put it back on him since before his injury, because he was sucessful with it the first time.

If you're talking about Hogan, I don't buy it. Crowds are polliticing for Hogan. McMahon is doing the right thing by pulling all the triggers he can to pop a buyrate before Hogan runs out of gas. You can't prove that it has anything to do with Hogan protecting himself (Nor can I the opposite, but so far, crowd response to Hogan would seem to back me up).

Save us, Heyman!

Yes, I do so hope that HHH/Justin Credible/Tommy Dreamer headlines King of the Ring.

In closing, I doubt if a heel turn, even one by a main eventer, can kill the WWF. Honestly, I can't see it. If one would have done it it would have been Austin last year, and that didn't help things certainly, but it hasn't "killed" anything either.
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#16 Posted on 5.4.02 0525.11
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan

      Originally posted by Sean
      Politics in the WWF have been very bad since 2000, and they are clearly the reason for the Foley de-push, the Austin heel/face turn shenanigans, and the constant burial of Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho, who, between mid-2000 until recently, have had more than enough heat to catapult into the main event, but are currently mired in the mid-card.

      Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and even Rob Van Dam have been more over as faces than HHH during the past two years...so why is HHH the face undisputed champion?



    What was the Foley de-push you reference? He was retired for almost all of 2000, and I hope you aren't referring to the retirement as such.

    Chris Jericho is right now in a midcard feud (or at least will be) AFTER a WWF Title reign. I guess you for got that part. He already has "catapulted into the main event." Same with Angle.

    Rob van Dam main evented a PPV his third month in the company. That is amazing. That said, and even when you take into account his wins over Austin, Angle, Undertaker, he still has no business being WWF Champion at this point. The WWF could have probably sent him to the main event scene for good by now, but it's just too early. Even Kurt Angle had to wait a year.



Unforgiven 1999: Six-Pack Challenge: Triple H defeated The Rock, Mankind, Kane, The Big Show, and The British Bulldog with the Pedigree, to capture the Heavyweight Title.

No Mercy 1999: Val Venis defeats Mankind via the testicle claw.

Survivor Series 1999: The New Age Outlaws defeated Al Snow and Mankind via pinfall.

Armageddon '99: The Rock 'N Sock Connection defeated The New Age Outlaws by Disqualification, to let The Outlaws retain the Tag Team Titles.

Royal Rumble '00: Triple H d. Cactus Jack via pin fall

WWF No Way Out '00: Triple H defeated Cactus Jack by Pinfall to retain the WWF Heavyweight Title, in a Hell in a Cell match.

A 6-month depush? Naaaaaa.

I won't even mention the Wrestlemania debacle - Oh wait, I just did.

Foley had his credibility destroyed in 1999, and the final nail in the coffin occurred with the two huge, clean losses to HHH. Tell me: when was the last time a face lost so cleanly and convincingly to a heel? How about I tell you?

WWF Fully Loaded 2000 - Last Man Standing: Triple H defeats Chris Jericho

On the same show, "rising star" Kurt Angle was squashed by the Undertaker.

The following month, at SummerSlam, newly-elevated Jericho is back in the midcard, doing a job to not-very-over Chris Benoit.

Then, amazingly enough, the WWF elevates Jericho further by having him do a squash job to Kane at Survivor Series.

Jericho comes back and beats Kane in very screwy fashion at Armageddon, and is then stuck in a feud for the IC title until Wrestlemania, when he faces HEAT MAGNET William Regal in the curtain jerker.

At Backlash, elevated Main Eventer Chris Jericho does a job to William Regal.

Jericho and Benoit become #1 contenders to the tag titles, then defeat Steve Austin and HHH the following night on RAW (pinning Steve Austin, for those of you who haven't been paying attention so far).

After a brief flirt with the top of the card, Jericho settles into a feud with undercard Rhyno, and wins. At the next ppv, however, he does a job to RVD.

At No Mercy, after months of unfocused pushes and midcard jobs, Jericho is giving a total fluke screwjob win over the Rock that does nothing to build him to main event status. It appears a virtual lock that Jericho would job to Austin and unify the belts.

Instead, lots of booking happens and we go into Vengeance looking to unify the titles on Austin or Rock, since those two were getting massive promo time to hype their feud- except Jericho wins both matches by massive screwjob, becoming the unified champion.

Let's stop a minute here - due to massive screwjob, Jericho won the titles. Ok, let's continue.

At the Royal Rumble, Jericho's heat continues to diminish with a screwjob victory over the Rock. After HHH wins the Rumble, the writing is on the wall for Y2J. At No Way Out, it was apparent that the nWo would interfere on Jericho's behalf, not only hijacking the top angle in the company, but making him look like a weak transitional champion in the process.

And let us not forget Wrestlemania, where Jericho was squashed soundly for 15 minutes and then beaten cleanly.

As you can see, Jericho has never truly been catapulted anywhere - every time he gets any kind of main event status, his legs are cut off and he is never given a fair opportunity to draw heat. Jericho should have cleanly defeated HHH in mid-2000 to win the belt and be given a run as face champion, because frankly, he wouldn't have drawn worse numbers than the shit HHH was drawing on top at that time.

There isn't any sense in discussing the total burial of Kurt Angle, since it's far more depressing.

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#17 Posted on 5.4.02 0937.53
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So Foley was depushed by being put in two main event ppv matches against HHH? I don't think so. He was getting a huge push leading up to his retirement match. Which he lost because he was retiring.
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#18 Posted on 5.4.02 0957.52
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    Originally posted by mskj
    So Foley was depushed by being put in two main event ppv matches against HHH? I don't think so. He was getting a huge push leading up to his retirement match. Which he lost because he was retiring.

So why did he job the first match (clean, no less)?
Why did he job clean in the second match? Just because you're at the top of the card doesn't mean you're being pushed. See also Jericho, Chris; Angle, Kurt; Show, Big; VD, the...
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#19 Posted on 5.4.02 1010.02
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You have to be pushed somewhat to be in two main event ppv matches... or did everyone forget that?. If a wrestler is in more than one ppv main event then he's being pushed (sometimes mildly sometimes not) and he's in the spotlight for that time.
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#20 Posted on 5.4.02 1031.25
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    Originally posted by Travis

      Originally posted by mskj
      So Foley was depushed by being put in two main event ppv matches against HHH? I don't think so. He was getting a huge push leading up to his retirement match. Which he lost because he was retiring.

    So why did he job the first match (clean, no less)?
    Why did he job clean in the second match? Just because you're at the top of the card doesn't mean you're being pushed. See also Jericho, Chris; Angle, Kurt; Show, Big; VD, the...



If I recall correctly, Foley jobbed clean both times because he insisted on doing it that way. Some guys realize that winning or losing is less important than giving the fans a memorable match. Except for his title wins, most of Foley's best matches were losses.

His matches near the end of his career elevated HHH, and helped fill the main event slots after Austin's neck surgery. At that point of his career, he'd already been pushed to the top, and had accepted the fact that sometimes you headline, and sometimes you're on the back burner. It's a way to keep your cast of characters fresh in serial entertainment.

Not many main eventers have come to that realization as gracefully as Foley did.

Later, Rudy
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