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The 7 - Baseball - Carlos Lee traded to Brewers
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#1 Posted on 13.12.04 1718.22
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The White Sox traded Carlos Lee to the Brewers for Scott Podsednik, Luis Vizcaino, and a PTBNL. As a die hard Brewer fan, I just about peed my pants when I heard this. The Brewers actually taking on salary and acquiring an impact player? With the additions Lee and Damian Miller, the Brewers actually have a legitimate lineup. I love Doug Melvin.
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#2 Posted on 13.12.04 1743.11
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They're also on the verge of getting Marlon Byrd from the Phillies for Jeff Bennett... I must say that I've been impressed by Melvin's moves the past couple of years. The first year he traded Sexson for quantity, now he's trading some spare parts for some quality. Even with the losses of Kolb, Vizcaino, Podsednik, etc. they still have enough young talent to make some noise in the NL Central... a rotation headed up by Ben Sheets and then followed by some surprisingly effective starting pitching in Davis and Santos could be good enough to get them to .500. Not to mention the fact that they have plenty of talent on the farm coming up... Hardy, Krynzel, Fielder, etc.
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#3 Posted on 13.12.04 1755.58
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I hate seeing Lee go, but am excited about picking up Podsednik. Nice to see that the White Sox are gonna be even somewhat active this offseason, and making some moves that actually mean shit.

I think it looks like Ozzie is focused on improving the bullpen, and trying to get us to manufacture runs, instead of relying on power all of the time. I've heard rumors about the Sox going after Vasquez, and possibly getting rid of Konerko. So it's not over yet.
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#4 Posted on 14.12.04 0808.19
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I do not like the idea of giving up Konerko and Lee in the same offseason. Esp. with Thomas not back until June. You lose Konerko you have a lineup of
1B Gload
2B Harris
3B Crede
SS Uribe
RF Dye
CF Rowand
LF Podsednik
C Davis
DH Everett

That team might never score a run. Ever. Seriously, I'm all for getting some speed on the basepaths but at some point you do need someone with some power. They need to go after a front-line legit #1 or #2 starter somehow now, preferably without giving up Garland, as then we get a rotation of
Buehrle
New Guy
Garcia
Contreras
Garland

I'll take Garland as a #5 starter.
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#5 Posted on 14.12.04 1511.22
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    Originally posted by spf
    I do not like the idea of giving up Konerko and Lee in the same offseason. Esp. with Thomas not back until June. You lose Konerko you have a lineup of
    1B Gload
    2B Harris
    3B Crede
    SS Uribe
    RF Dye
    CF Rowand
    LF Podsednik
    C Davis
    DH Everett

    That team might never score a run. Ever. Seriously, I'm all for getting some speed on the basepaths but at some point you do need someone with some power. They need to go after a front-line legit #1 or #2 starter somehow now, preferably without giving up Garland, as then we get a rotation of
    Buehrle
    New Guy
    Garcia
    Contreras
    Garland

    I'll take Garland as a #5 starter.







But, would you be willing to dump Garland and Podsednik if you got Javier Vasquez in return, as the other guys would be then shipped by the Yankees in a 3-way for Johnson. Unless they end up getting a guy like Vasquez in all of this, the White Sox are crazy getting rid of Lee. Getting him out of New York probably allows Vasquez to return to the solid 15 win a year #2 guy he would have been in Montreal if they had an offense around him. However, I would like to thank the White Sox for trading him out of the American League, as he was a guy who destroyed Red Sox pitching.
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#6 Posted on 14.12.04 2335.37
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year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Vazquez
2002 MON 34 34 10 13 0 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 49 179 3.91 1.27 .271
2003 MON 34 34 13 12 0 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 57 241 3.24 1.11 .229
2004 NYY 32 32 14 10 0 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 60 150 4.91 1.29 .255

Garland
2002 CHA 33 33 12 12 0 1 1 192.2 188 109 98 23 83 112 4.58 1.41 .258
2003 CHA 32 32 12 13 0 0 0 191.2 188 103 96 28 74 108 4.51 1.37 .260
2004 CHA 34 33 12 11 0 1 0 217.0 223 125 118 34 76 113 4.89 1.38 .269

Vazquez=overrated with one nice year. I would trade Garland for Vazquez straight up, as losing Judy G. wouldn't bother me, but I'm not paying a premium for one good year anymore than I would pay a lot to get Esteban Loaiza back.
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#7 Posted on 15.12.04 2102.59
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From what I read, there's no way Ozzie trades Podsednik. He missed having a guy like Juan Pierre who could steal bases, and now he has Podsednik.

I agree, the loss of power is gonna hurt...but I have a feeling Ken & Ozzie aren't done yet.
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#8 Posted on 16.12.04 0837.34
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The Selig regime traded one big name (Ritchie Sexon) for a bunch of players...and it almost sort of worked out.

This one traded a bunch of players for one guy.

We'll see, but for some reason I ain't optimistic. I'll still go to a game or 2 at Miller Park, but I dunno...
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#9 Posted on 16.12.04 2024.09
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Carlos Lee is better than Podsednik in just about every measureable offensive stat. Depending on your view of Luis Vizcaino, the Brewers did very well on this.
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