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#1 Posted on 9.12.04 0951.02
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Chris Hyatte (Inside Pulse)

Look, I'll give it to you straight... things are bad in the IWC.

What? You REALLY think that just because house show attendance is pitiful, ratings are in the toilet, and the business is, and will be for the foreseeable future, a one empire industry that the hardcore fans will flock to the net in droves?

Sorry, this isn't how it works. IWC readers are finding other things to do too... they are bored with the product and are tired of listening to writers drone on about the SAME EXACT BULLSHIT... does Triple H suck? Maybe, but do you think people WANT to read 100 people explain why EVERY SINGLE WEEK without getting sick and tired of it?? Of course not.

You readers are bailing out on us... all of us.

Want proof? Go to every message board you know of and see all the posts... 5 years ago I pointed out that every message board is just the same 20 names making a thousand posts... well nothing has changed since '99... very few new posters have come onboard... it's still the SAME FUCKING NAMES SAYING THE SAME FUCKING THINGS.


Eric Szulczewski (Inside Pulse)

Thanks to restriction of information and outright greed on the part of site owners, we're slowly reverting to a pre-RSPW existence, where everyone can get the Observer and get their fill of what little inside news there is (if they can get through the MMA crap). The IWC is only as strong as the information it receives. Otherwise, the whole thing simply reverts to whiteboards with every idiot in the known universe posting the same opinion on Trip or Randy Orton or whatever the flavor of the week is, thinking that they're the only one saying it. And it's boring to read in the extreme.

What we need is something to talk about. When I only have one inconsequential news item to post later in this column, that's a problem. When the programs that are aired give us nothing to talk about, that's a bigger problem. When wrestling organizations are perfectly content not to give us, the audience, anything to interest any audience beyond the hardcore viewers that will watch this crap unfold, that's the biggest problem of all. And the "leading voices" of the IWC are afraid to say something about it because it will jeopardize their precious "inside connections", which aren't providing anything of substance to them in the first place.


Inside Clyde (Lethal Wrestling)

To make it simple, I say that between the notion of the IWC and pro wrestling, one's condition has nothing to do with the other, not if you're smart about it. And that's what it comes down to. Other IWC "stars" may lament that there is nothing new to say, but do we give the WWF that excuse? Fuck no! We say (correctly) "entertain us, fuckers!" And I say the same to the IWC. You find other things you wanna write about? Fine. But don't tell me there isn't anything to write about in pro wrestling. Write parodies. Write recaps in a truly funny way. Find the small, uncovered stories that elicit discussion. But don't whine to me about how pro wrestling's decline has hurt your precious ability to write about it. I've read Hyatte for a long time, as many have, and seeing his dick metaphorically shrink mewing about the IWC was goddamn pathetic. The IWC is about wrestling fans. And there are still plenty of those. And more importantly, maybe this drought will cause something to happen which should have happened a long time ago -- maybe some of these fuckers who've been getting stroked by their fanboys for years -- maybe some of these sites which want to be all things to all geeks -- maybe they need to dig a little and learn a little more about wrestling and give us something other than their useless fucking opinions. Maybe they need to find an angle that hasn't been done to death instead of taking the lazy and easy way out and throwing up their hands. Or better yet, shut the fuck up and get out of the game. Because the internet, pro wrestling and, yes, the IWC will go on without you.

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Even "The W" no longer has wrestling as the top priority ... so is it true? Is the IWC dying a slow and painful death?

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#2 Posted on 9.12.04 1007.10
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The IWC is dying at the same rate as the national pro-wrestling scene. Without a consistent stream of new and interesting material, it's all just rehasing of previous stuff. And the same-old same-old gets tiring quickly.

To sum it up in one word: apathy.
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#3 Posted on 9.12.04 1038.55
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I found CRZ's website initially due to web surfing for wrestling information and such. Now, it is funny/amazing how often I come to the W and never look at the wrestling folder as compared to other sports and topics.
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#4 Posted on 9.12.04 1132.31
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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Even "The W" no longer has wrestling as the top priority ... so is it true? Is the IWC dying a slow and painful death?
And, if so, does this mean that two years ago CRZ was once again ahead of the curve? Come on, ask the IMPORTANT question here. ;-)
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#5 Posted on 9.12.04 1149.47
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The IWC is being hurt by the same things that are hurting the "real" world of pro wrestling; Experienced veterans not wanting to move on from past greatness.

Look at the IWC's past web sites, 1wrestling, Micasa, News from Dayton, ProWrestling Torch, and even ECW web site. Those were the sites that first attracted me to the IWC. Now Micasa and Dayton joined at the hip and then Wrestleline, and now from there you have the new Wrestleline, and OnlineOnslaught, and this great site. The real problem is not the web masters but the people that they have under them.

The Canadian Bulldog and Jeb are two rare people that still have a fascinating opinion on wrestling. Both of them still put out articles that even a novice fan can appreciate, but a lot of others just seem along for the ride.

When I first started writing in forums I was knocked for my Pro-Hogan rants, but the people knocking me for my love of "old school" wrestling have yet to move on from what I call the "new old school of wrestling". (1996 - 2001)

The big complaint these days are HHH, not enough luchadores, and the general push of muscle bound wrestlers. This was the formula for what made wrestling in the 80s, big name bad guy dominates,the few little wrestlers that were around were amazing with the never before seen stuff, and California muscle heads with managers to hide the fact that they could not talk. It made for an exciting product. The IWC does not see it that way in general.

The IWC needs to look at the fact that the business is changing, again. The fan base is changing, again. The wrestling up/down cycle is coming around again, and if I as a fan enjoy today's product then why would I invest time in people on the Internet bashing it?

Guys like theRick and CRZ have great sites, and great fan bases. They have very strong opinions (although CRZ is a little less vocal) that the IWC stop to listen every time they talk. With guys like them the IWC will not die, but it will continue to evolve as long as we here keep signing on and evolve with them.
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#6 Posted on 9.12.04 1541.19
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Its not going to die, but to say everything is fine and dandy would be silly. I think wrestling has just become niche for sites like this one, 411 and pulse. They started out as wrestling oriented, but whatever reason if it is a hella lame one, they moved to doing other topics. I just think like most of the web, its better to diversified than to stay on one sujbect. It also doens't help there is a ton of negative things that happen in the internet that no site is immune from. The problem with diversifying is that you are letting in elements that may not be want your site to be, but since you did it, its impossible to put the Genie back into the bottle.

The IWC will is as popular as the product. If Raw is huge people will tune and go to websites to get information and a handfull will get involved in the discussion. If no one cares, the IWC will consist of the hardcore community people. It also doesn't help with IWC reports having online fueds with wrestlers. If you can't do a well reasoned argument when someone comes after, then don't post it. IWC has a ton of PR issues it needs to resolved like the so-called reporting. I just think the IWC is not something people want to get into or be associated with if no one respects your opinion and the people representing you look like fools.
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#7 Posted on 9.12.04 1604.31
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Does anyone else think it's lame to be "reporting" and "ranting" on the status of people on the internet who watch wrestling?

(edited by geemoney on 9.12.04 1706)
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#8 Posted on 9.12.04 1751.53
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Does anyone else think it's lame to be "reporting" and "ranting" on the status of people on the internet who watch wrestling?

    (edited by geemoney on 9.12.04 1706)


Oh, absolutely. That "the death of the IWC" is a crisis, or even news, is laughable.

The term "IWC" itself irritates me, because as a rule it's only used by the IWC in self-important discussions about the IWC--as opposed to, y'know, the COMMUNITY discussing WRESTLING on the INTERNET.

I occasionally visit a forum called Fandom Wank which makes fun of various people acting stupid in their fandoms (that is, a Harry Potter fan on a Harry Potter message board makes an ass of himself in the name of really liking Harry Potter). When the IWC was mentioned there once, nobody knew what that was supposed to mean, or why the term existed, because anyone outside the IWC would just call it "wrestling fandom," a la "Lord of the Rings fandom" or "Invader Zim fandom" or "comics fandom." (That it's on the internet, or that there is a community, is self-evident.) But no, wrestling fans can't just call themselves what they are; there has to be some pretentious technical term with a nifty three-letter abbreviation so they can pretend this is a wrestling promotion, with "stars" and "rankings" and "glass ceilings" and all the other trappings.

Nobody can even agree on what the IWC is supposed to be. Obviously it isn't supposed to include all wrestling fans who've ever logged on to the internet, and I can't see Meltzer or the Torch staff being counted within the group. It's primarily limited to those sites and message boards that communicate with one another, but even there the term is only used to describe people who write columns and express opinions, or as a straw man to attack in argument. Small wonder, then, that Hyatte and Szulczewski think wrestling fandom is doomed, because to them there is no wrestling fandom on the net beyond marks going to wwe.com and people obsessed with launching a (badly-named) column on a major site and rising through the ranks of Flea's IWC 100.
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#9 Posted on 9.12.04 2015.00
Reposted on: 9.12.11 2015.57
I don't mean to be rude or out of line or anything, but I wouldn't feel right if I didn't say everyone quoted in the first post of this thread comes off like a completely self-important dumbass, but especially Eric, which is absolutely nothing new. One thing that might help these people is any desire to watch wrestling, and another thing would be to seriously get over themselves. Maybe that's just my opinion.
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#10 Posted on 9.12.04 2312.57
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Does anyone else think it's lame to be "reporting" and "ranting" on the status of people on the internet who watch wrestling?


Yes.

    Originally posted by Jim Smith
    Nobody can even agree on what the IWC is supposed to be. Obviously it isn't supposed to include all wrestling fans who've ever logged on to the internet, and I can't see Meltzer or the Torch staff being counted within the group. It's primarily limited to those sites and message boards that communicate with one another, but even there the term is only used to describe people who write columns and express opinions, or as a straw man to attack in argument. Small wonder, then, that Hyatte and Szulczewski think wrestling fandom is doomed, because to them there is no wrestling fandom on the net beyond marks going to wwe.com and people obsessed with launching a (badly-named) column on a major site and rising through the ranks of Flea's IWC 100.


Yes.

    Originally posted by ScottChrist
    I don't mean to be rude or out of line or anything, but I wouldn't feel right if I didn't say everyone quoted in the first post of this thread comes off like a completely self-important dumbass, but especially Eric, which is absolutely nothing new. One thing that might help these people is any desire to watch wrestling, and another thing would be to seriously get over themselves.


YES.

They talk like it's the fucken MLA for God's sakes.
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