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#1 Posted on 30.11.04 1010.29
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This is disgusting.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/34663.htm
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#2 Posted on 30.11.04 1223.35
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    Originally posted by The Story
    The elder Dantica died five days later, on Nov. 3. "His detention had no bearing whatsoever on his passing," a Department of Homeland Security spokesman said.


The man WAS 81 years old. I am not saying it is impossible that he was mistreated, but isn't it in the realm of possibility that his death was unrelated?

This story is a bit weak on supporting facts...
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#3 Posted on 30.11.04 1231.53
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They denied him his medication. Isn't that bad enough, even if he didn't die?

Here's more:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pcdantica20nov20,0,7308230.story?coll=sfla-news-palm
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/19/Worldandnation/Haitian_pastor_dies_o.shtml
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/254790p-218203c.html

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#4 Posted on 30.11.04 1242.33
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    They denied him his medication.


Allegedly. There is no proof of that other than the accusation. As I said - the articles are lacking in supporting evidence.
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#5 Posted on 30.11.04 1243.39
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    They denied him his medication. Isn't that bad enough, even if he didn't die?


You know, there are legitimate issues to be discussed in relation to the treatment of Haitian refugees raised in that article. Unfortunately, all of those issues will be subsumed to the sensationalistic and incorrect assertion made in the thread title and in your last post. They denied him a folk remedy for his blood pressure, not a prescription for the pancreatitis that actually killed him. Pathetic.

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#6 Posted on 30.11.04 1250.37
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      Originally posted by The Story
      The elder Dantica died five days later, on Nov. 3. "His detention had no bearing whatsoever on his passing," a Department of Homeland Security spokesman said.


    The man WAS 81 years old. I am not saying it is impossible that he was mistreated, but isn't it in the realm of possibility that his death was unrelated?




I realize that none of what I'm about to guide you towards doesn't relate directly with this particular case, but just for fun, do a google search on "Krome Detention Center" to see the litany of stories about reported and alleged abuse and mistreatment of Haitian refugees. The article doesn't even mention the facility by name, but I'd bet money this is where the story takes place.



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#7 Posted on 30.11.04 1623.36
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    Originally posted by bash91
    folk remedy for his blood pressure, not a prescription for the pancreatitis that actually killed him. Pathetic.

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What's pathetic is how the term "folk rememdy" is used to belittle his culture and make it seem like some kind of ignorant backwoods voodoo. I can just imagine the smug derision of the guards when this sick old man asked for his "medicine". Bastards.
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#8 Posted on 30.11.04 1746.52
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    What's pathetic is how the term "folk rememdy" is used to belittle his culture and make it seem like some kind of ignorant backwoods voodoo. I can just imagine the smug derision of the guards when this sick old man asked for his "medicine". Bastards.



Sorry, your cultural imperialism detector is seriously malfunctioning. You've implied that the man died because he was denied his medicine, a factually incorrect statement. I noted that he was denied a non-prescription medicine, or, as several of the sources you referenced say, a folk remedy, that was not for the condition that killed him. If you have a problem with the term, you should take that up with the sources you provided, not me.

As for the rest of your alleged "argument", I can just imagine the smug derision of those who oppose US immigration policy as they criticize people for doing their jobs according to the rules. Bastards.

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#9 Posted on 30.11.04 1747.06
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1) Are folk remedies commonly given to any person who asks for them while detained? Were they unfairly denied in this instance?

2) Did the person ask for medical attention, or just for the remedy? Were they denied medical attention while detained?

3) Was the substance in question legal in the US?

4) Is it a recognized medicine that should have been given?

These are all important questions, and I don't recall seeing the answers. Sure, there is a lot of emotion, but I'm not sure I'm ready to damn the facility yet from what I've seen.


//edit: I have not yet read all of the other sources, just the NY Post article.

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#10 Posted on 1.12.04 0954.08
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    1) Are folk remedies commonly given to any person who asks for them while detained? Were they unfairly denied in this instance?

    2) Did the person ask for medical attention, or just for the remedy? Were they denied medical attention while detained?

    3) Was the substance in question legal in the US?

    4) Is it a recognized medicine that should have been given?

    These are all important questions, and I don't recall seeing the answers. Sure, there is a lot of emotion, but I'm not sure I'm ready to damn the facility yet from what I've seen.


    //edit: I have not yet read all of the other sources, just the NY Post article.

    (edited by Guru Zim on 30.11.04 1548)


1) I have no clue

2) He apparently asked for medication just before his interview. At the interview, he suddently became sick and then died of pancreatitis. None of the medications he had would have treated the pancreatitis.

3) Don't know, but I would imagine it was or the family wouldn't raise such a stink about it being confiscated.

4) The Dept. of Homeland security described it as a poultice. His son described it as a bottled herbal medicine. According to the family, he also had prescription medication for an enlarged prostrate and for high blood pressure (neither of which would have helped pancreatitis anyways). The DHS said he had no other meds.

I do have a problem with how the facility treated him, but I doubt the denial of medication caused his death (unless someone is really holding out on some major information).
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