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#1 Posted on 29.11.04 1145.55
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-giantshandpullsgroin&prov=fanball&type=lgns

Good article for laughs in this miserable Giants season. No matter who's at the skill positions, they never throw the ball downfield. I'm not impressed with Eli Manning so far either.
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#2 Posted on 29.11.04 1208.46
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    Originally posted by skorpio17
    I'm not impressed with Eli Manning so far either.


Congratulations for having considerably more balls than ANY commentator I've heard on either side of the Atlantic so far. All of them are still sticking to the, "he's young, he's inexperienced, he makes mistakes, but you can see SO MUCH POTENTIAL" line.

Bullshit. They're just too damn scared of being the first guy to write him off in case it comes back to bite them in the ass further down the line. But for the surname Eli would have drawn FAR more criticism already, and rightly so.

He may go on to be very good down the line, but against Atlanta he was ordinary at best, and last night, mercifully he sucked terribly.
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#3 Posted on 30.11.04 0840.20
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I've watched both games Manning has started from start to finish in the last two weeks. If there is a superstar waiting to emerge, it's hiding pretty well. He made a couple of long throws to Jamaar Taylor and that was about it this week. Given the fact that they still have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs (not that they would win a game in the playoffs), I cannot see how continuing to start Manning is accomplishing the goal of winning. I foresee even more problems with Manning coping with the Redskins formidable rush this week. What started out great times for the Giants at 4-1 has come crashing down mighty hard. It's a good thing we were not expecting too much!

(edited by pieman on 30.11.04 0941)
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#4 Posted on 30.11.04 1547.25
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Don't the Giants have an injury-depleted o-line? I think you guys are writing him off WAY too early.
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#5 Posted on 30.11.04 1711.37
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Everyone just remember what you thought of his brother at this point in his career.
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#6 Posted on 3.12.04 1916.05
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Sure Eli isn't looking good but it's not his fault (tm Snitsky). They are playing him to fail, rookies are horrible in their first year when they play and it can do more long term damage then good, he should have had a clip board & studying for the entire year unless there's an emergency or you are officially out of the playoffs. Roethlisberger is just a freak thing, and he's really playing behind the perfect system which Eli doesn't have... Blame the coaching staff more than anyone for taking Warner who was looking not great but well enough to have them in a playoff spot. They jumped the gun in putting Eli in.


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#7 Posted on 5.12.04 0233.51
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Everyone just remember what you thought of his brother at this point in his career.


To be fair, I don't recall exactly what I thought of Peyton in 1998 when he took the reigns of the Colts, but considering as a rookie he threw for 3700 yards and 26 touchdowns, then improved on those numbers his second season, I'm thinking that is not a good comparison. The fact that the Colts (3-13 his rookie year) won the division with a 13-3 record his second year would also seem to say Peyton definitely MUST have looked good as a rookie.

If Eli Manning leads the Giants to a division title next year, I'll eat my words, but for now I'll say he seems quite ordinary to me. Definitely not good enough to warrant being the dickhead he was on draft day. But hey, his last name's Manning.
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#8 Posted on 5.12.04 0310.24
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    They are playing him to fail, rookies are horrible in their first year when they play and it can do more long term damage then good, he should have had a clip board & studying for the entire year unless there's an emergency or you are officially out of the playoffs.


Like what Carson Palmer did last year. And look where he's taken the Bengals.

Teams don't play to make the playoffs. They play to win the Super Bowl. With Kurt Warner under center, the Giants wouldn't have won the Super Bowl this year. They probably wouldn't have even made the playoffs. If there is a superstar waiting to emerge in Eli Manning, he will take his lumps this year, build on the experience and be at least a good QB next year. If there's a Ryan Leaf waiting to emerge in Eli Manning, he'll be out of football next year and the Giants can start again.
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#9 Posted on 5.12.04 2126.27
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    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    Don't the Giants have an injury-depleted o-line? I think you guys are writing him off WAY too early.








The Giants have an injury deplete D-Line, not O-Line. The O-Line is just shitty. Manning is close to Jesse Palmer territory at this point, but at least with the utter collapse Big Blue get a quality #1 pick in the '05 draft to help rebuild. Oh wait, the pick was already dealt off for Manning.
And, when does Drill Sgt. Coughlin start taking a hit for the team going in the tank. Fassel at least had success with the Giants before they went in the tank after Game 8. How come Coughlin can just float along when the team has gone deep into the shitter since up being up 14-0 in the second quarter on the Bears in Game 8? They should have hired Romeo Crennel.
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#10 Posted on 5.12.04 2152.51
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by MoeGates
      Everyone just remember what you thought of his brother at this point in his career.


    To be fair, I don't recall exactly what I thought of Peyton in 1998 when he took the reigns of the Colts, but considering as a rookie he threw for 3700 yards and 26 touchdowns, then improved on those numbers his second season, I'm thinking that is not a good comparison. The fact that the Colts (3-13 his rookie year) won the division with a 13-3 record his second year would also seem to say Peyton definitely MUST have looked good as a rookie.

    If Eli Manning leads the Giants to a division title next year, I'll eat my words, but for now I'll say he seems quite ordinary to me. Definitely not good enough to warrant being the dickhead he was on draft day. But hey, his last name's Manning.


I was thinking more of the 28 Interceptions and 71.2 QB rating (Granted Eli's at a 37.9 right now though)
- and in his first few games he was REALLY bad. He had 11 INTs in his first 4 games.

The point was in his rookie year, Peyton was a gunslinger with a great arm who made a lot of mistakes, lacked "patience and poise," and didn't know how to win games.
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