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#1 Posted on 24.11.04 1203.30
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Good thing too, less the Russians come under de facto control of the country. Let's hope that it doesn't become civil war though.
    Originally posted by Jeremy Page in the Times of London
    THOUSANDS of demonstrators were camped outside Ukraine’s presidential headquarters last night as the country’s election crisis threatened to erupt into civil conflict.
    Supporters of Viktor Yushchenko, the pro-Western opposition leader defeated in Sunday’s disputed elections, confronted riot police ringing the headquarters after a day of high drama in which he defiantly took the oath of office and announced a campaign of civil disobedience.



    “We won’t leave (the presidencial compound) until Yushchenko enters it as the new Ukrainian president and occupies his post,” Yuliya Tymoshenko, his coalition partner, declared. “Either they will give up their power or we will take it.”

    In echoes of the peaceful revolutions that swept the communist world 15 years ago, protesters pinned flowers to the shields of riot police guarding the presidential compound.

    “There is no turning back now,” Yuriy Panowik, 25, a demonstrator from Lviv, said. “I’m scared, but we are fighting for our future.” Earlier Mr Yushchenko had led an estimated 200,000 demonstrators through central Kiev to the parliament for a tumultuous emergency session in scenes not witnessed since Ukraine won independence from the Soviet Union in 1991.

    “Ukraine today is on the verge of civil conflict,” he told the emergency session of the Rada. “We have two choices: either the answer will be given by the parliament, or the streets will give an answer.”

    At the end of a session rendered inquorate by the absence of pro-government MPs, he read the oath of office with his hand on a 300-year-old Bible. He then opened a window and addressed a huge crowd of supporters waving orange flags.

    More than 150 Ukrainian diplomats, including the Foreign Ministry’s official spokesman, issued a statement recognising Mr Yushchenko and saying: “We cannot silently watch these developments when Ukraine’s commitment to democracy is put in doubt and it faces the threat of international isolation.”

    “We are sliding towards the abyss,” Volodymyr Lytvyn, the Speaker of the parliament, said. Mr Yushchenko and his allies appealed to “the parliaments and nations of the world to bolster the will of the Ukrainian people”. Among the first to respond was Vaclav Havel, the former Czech President and the symbol of Prague’s Velvet Revolution.
I would like to know where France is when a democracy is troubled, but I guess they're too busy with the French-version of Iraq over in the Ivory Coast.
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#2 Posted on 24.11.04 1255.33
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I don't how far they are from civil war, this could be their version of our election 2000. However, one comment on saw on CNN suggested that force maybe used to install the President. Its almost like the Cold War again with Europe/US on one side and Russia, not a good feeling. Now, that Powell came out and blasted the election results, I wonder if Putin will return the favor by pulling out of the Iraqi debt relief that got decided this weekend in Chile? If he does and the strong stance of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait, the road to rebuilding Iraqi will be tough if not impossible.

If does go to civil war, I pray they have the brains to leave the nukes out of it. I fear what will happen if one of those goes off in Europe.
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#3 Posted on 24.11.04 1333.47
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    If does go to civil war, I pray they have the brains to leave the nukes out of it. I fear what will happen if one of those goes off in Europe.
They were supposed to transfer all of those to (naturally) the Russians, but apparently a clerical error means that hundreds of them are unaccounted for.

That's why the apathy of of western Europe, save for Poland, is so excruciatingly puzzling. A major civil war could break on their doorstep, and they don't seem to care.
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#4 Posted on 25.11.04 0407.25
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The guy who got cheated will, like as not, not ask the people to revolt in his support, because he won't know what will happen when the people get a taste of changing things themselves. So I can see this fizzling out, unfortunately, but I'd love to see some real democratic change.
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#5 Posted on 25.11.04 1023.29
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    I don't how far they are from civil war, this could be their version of our election 2000.







The biggest difference though is the U.S. in 2000 had over 2 centuries of Democratic Tradition (close to 4 centuries if you consider the distance between the crown and colonies pre-War of Independence allowing some local governance), where as the Ukraine has a little over a decade. When countries with dictatorial traditions have problems with Democracy, the problem is usually solved with a hail of bullets into crowds.
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