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#1 Posted on 21.11.04 0506.33
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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/805ECA20CB8F766786256F520064A2BD?OpenDocument&Headline=Cards+get+called+on+stadium+fire+safety


    The St. Louis Fire Department has denied the Cardinals permission for further construction of their new stadium because of safety concerns, namely the proximity of the stadium to the highway.

    There may not be not enough unobstructed space between the south side of the stadium and Highway 40 (Interstate 64) to operate emergency vehicles in the area, fire officials say. Additionally, because of the composition of the new field and the current design of the stadium, a firetruck could not make it to the inside of the stadium. Fire officials say that plans for the stadium could put fans, motorists and firefighters at risk if there is an emergency at the park or on the road.
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#2 Posted on 21.11.04 1054.03
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How exactly did nobody notice this until now? That's my question...
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#3 Posted on 21.11.04 1134.21
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    How exactly did nobody notice this until now?
Apparently they did:
    Originally posted by Jake Wagman of the St Louis Post-Dispatch
    Even so, [Fire Chief Sherman] George indicates in his letter that the Cardinals have known since last year that the Fire Department had problems with the plans.

    "These concerns were voiced to the stadium design team in earlier preliminary meetings," George wrote.

    The Fire Department rejected plans for the stadium this year that did not provide proper access for fire vehicles. On Oct. 15, the Cardinals submitted another set of plans which only "worsened the concerns we already had," according to a letter from Fire Marshal Charles Coyle.

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#4 Posted on 21.11.04 1716.02
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Anybody who has seen the stadium, and the new construction going on has all said "Isnt that a bit close to the bridge?" I mean, 40 feet is a generous measurement. It looks like it will rub right up against the I-64 bridge downtown.

I wonder why the fire department waits until the thing is rolling along to halt the plans.
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#5 Posted on 21.11.04 1922.13
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Anybody who has seen the stadium, and the new construction going on has all said "Isnt that a bit close to the bridge?" I mean, 40 feet is a generous measurement. It looks like it will rub right up against the I-64 bridge downtown.

    I wonder why the fire department waits until the thing is rolling along to halt the plans.



"Generous" is generous...The distance from US-40 to the giant concrete support beams they have up can't be 30 feet, and then they still have to build the outside of the stadium. I've always hated this aspect of the stadium, thinking building in the old Cupples Station warehouses to the west would be better, and I'm kind of chuckling at the Cards' misfortune here. They didn't think Busch '06 ('07 now?) through as well as they should.

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#6 Posted on 22.11.04 0833.36
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I wonder why the fire department waits until the thing is rolling along to halt the plans.


More likely, I'd wager that SOMEONE didn't really believe that the fire department would do anything. I mean, what's the recourse now? Tear it down and start over? Move the bridge? I can see someone thinking there's NO WAY that anybody would do anything about it if they just went ahead and built it.

That kind of thinking happens ALL THE TIME in the tradeshow industry. All tradeshows have Show Regulations that spell out what you can and can't do: how tall your exhibit structure can be, what the restrictions of the use of your booth space are, where you can and cannot put lights. And exhibitors CONSTANTLY flaunt the rules, and when they get called on it more often than not it's "what if I can't do THAT, WHAT am I supposed to do?" And USUALLY they are allowed to be outside the rules in the end, because either the other exhibitors don't mind or they can pressure the Show Management (who really doesn't want upset exhibitors, especially big exhibitors) to let them do what they'd wanted.

I can see the stadium builders thinking they were in a (sort of) similar situation.
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#7 Posted on 22.11.04 1052.10
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Yikes. I thought Lincoln Financial Field was close to I-95.

I agree with JJD. Nobody thought anybody would do anything about it. We had two semi-major construction projects shut down here at Penn State because the university didn't think they needed permits. College Township (which would bascially be called "township" without the, you know, college) shut down building until the proper permits were acquired and inspections took place. Of course, nobody (especially those in the athletic department) thought they'd have the balls to shut anything down. Our new soccer stadium had to be worked on 24/7 to make deadline after that, and the university had to dole out a ton of overtime hours because they had guys welding stuff and painting until 2 AM.
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