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#1 Posted on 13.11.04 1653.22
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TSN.ca

In short, the NHL (through the much-publicized Leavitt Report last year) said that they lost somewhere around $273 million. Forbes Magazine did a bit of checking and they say that the NHL lost closer to $123 million. The NHL says that the Leavitt Report got access to all the teams' books, while Forbes is just guessing. Forbes (and the NHLPA) says that the numbers are accurate.

See you next year.
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#2 Posted on 13.11.04 1913.11
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Well...that's that.

Think any other league will try and claim the Stanley Cup, since it is supposed to go to the champion of the league at the highest level of hockey?
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#3 Posted on 13.11.04 2306.30
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If a professional sports league falls in the woods, and know one gives a damn about it anymore, who the hell cares?
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#4 Posted on 13.11.04 2353.18
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There's about 31 million people just north of the 49th parallel who still care, and are mighty pissed off.
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#5 Posted on 14.11.04 0141.07
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    There's about 31 million people just north of the 49th parallel who still care, and are mighty pissed off.


Most of whom post at CalgaryPuck.
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#6 Posted on 15.11.04 0721.31
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May be people out in the West are pissed off. Here in Toronto, it doesn't seem like too many care anymore.

Most are not talking about the strike, oh sorry lock out, whatever the hell it is.

The only reason anyone seems to care is that hockey pools are not going on.

In terms of the numbers, who the hell cares. The game is screwed up, both sides need to realize that and actually freaking meet to try and figure something out.

The players need to realize that they will have to continue playing elsewhere in the world unless they decide they can give a little.

Now, back to my regularly scheduled other stuff.... (B-Ball, curling, Fball...)
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#7 Posted on 15.11.04 1125.00
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In normal years, a lot of casual fans don't pay much attention until the Stanley Cup playoffs are approaching. (It's not as bad as it used to be in the 16-out-of-21-qualify days, at least.)

Any NHL player who doesn't have a contingency plan lined up with a European team is either kidding himself or ready to retire.
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#8 Posted on 15.11.04 1917.06
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This is just sad, I don't know how else to describe it. Hiring Bettman in 1994 was a mistake in my opinion, but that's long since water under the bridge. I miss it, and I know I am probably the only person who you'll hear say that. It even looks like the people in Toronto aren't missing it.
I just can't see what the NHL would have to bring it back to the national conscience like Sosa and McGwire in 1998 with MLB. It's going to take the Rangers winning some Cups to do it. Oh well, this year is shot, lets hope for the fall of 05.
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#9 Posted on 15.11.04 1928.27
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    Originally posted by vsp
    In normal years, a lot of casual fans don't pay much attention until the Stanley Cup playoffs are approaching. (It's not as bad as it used to be in the 16-out-of-21-qualify days, at least.)

    Any NHL player who doesn't have a contingency plan lined up with a European team is either kidding himself or ready to retire.







Even though 16 out of 21 were making the playoffs, the regular season games were still better than they have been in recent years. And, among the many mistakes the Bettman Bunch have made, changing the playoff format from 2 rounds divisional/conference finals/Stanley Cup Finals is one of the biggest. Instead of 2 rounds of pure blood feuds to start the playoffs, people have to figure out what happens if the 6 seed knocks off the 3 in the first round and how that impacts who plays whom in round 2.
Gary Bettman: The man who makes John Ziegler seem competent.
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#10 Posted on 15.11.04 1945.34
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I don't think its such a big deal because we just went through it 10 years ago. We've also seen it in other sports since then as well.

We've also known this was coming for the past two years so its really not much of a shock.

Personally, I miss it but I've been going to a lot of the Giants WHL games instead. Their attendance is WAY up from last year. Tickets are cheap, the hockey is fun, and the beer flows.

There's also been CFL going on and the NFL. I think once the SuperBowl passes, its going to hit people a lot more if there's no NHL around.
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#11 Posted on 17.11.04 0003.05
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    I think once the SuperBowl passes, its going to hit people a lot more if there's no NHL around.


At this point, you can take the "if" out of there. There is definitely not going to be a season after the Super Bowl, because they have already cancelled the all-star game and thats the second weekend of February. Granted the Super Bowl (go Eagles) is late this year, but there is still not going to be any hockey before or after it. I just hope that there is going to be hockey next year. I do have to say though, that I do pay much more attention to it after the NFL Conference Championships. I'm going to try and really get into college basketball this year after football since there is no hockey. Maybe I'll do better in my office bracket.

(quoting fixed - please use starting and ending quote tags - thecubsfan)

(edited by thecubsfan on 18.11.04 1151)
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#12 Posted on 17.11.04 0952.55
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    There's about 31 million people just north of the 49th parallel who still care, and are mighty pissed off.
You're in Calgary, my good man -- there are three minor hockey teams there. If you miss the Flames, there's better hockey to be seen in the Hitmen, the Royals or the Canucks.

WHen I lived in Calgary, the best times I ever had were catching games at the Max Bell Arena.
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#13 Posted on 19.11.04 0203.57
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Real bad timing with AHL in Toronto as this lock out year is the sandwich year between having the Toronto Roadrunners (Edmonton farm team) and having the St. John's Baby Leafs
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#14 Posted on 19.11.04 0222.59
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    Originally posted by SOK
      Originally posted by The Goon
      There's about 31 million people just north of the 49th parallel who still care, and are mighty pissed off.
    You're in Calgary, my good man -- there are three minor hockey teams there. If you miss the Flames, there's better hockey to be seen in the Hitmen, the Royals or the Canucks.

    WHen I lived in Calgary, the best times I ever had were catching games at the Max Bell Arena.


OH NO YOU DIDN'T.

There's a large gap in talent between the WHL & the NHL. The NHL is a lot more tight-checking and team-oriented. The WHL is the way the NHL was in the '80s: more wide-open.
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#15 Posted on 19.11.04 1219.23
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    There's a large gap in talent between the WHL & the NHL. The NHL is a lot more tight-checking and team-oriented. The WHL is the way the NHL was in the '80s: more wide-open.


And is wide-open hockey necessarily a bad thing?

I've had ECHL and AHL ticket plans for years instead of NHL tickets, and both play perfectly acceptable hockey.
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#16 Posted on 22.11.04 0435.41
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    Real bad timing with AHL in Toronto as this lock out year is the sandwich year between having the Toronto Roadrunners (Edmonton farm team) and having the St. John's Baby Leafs
Ummm...the Road Runners (as they're now known as) moved to Edmonton over the summer.

    Originally posted by Freeway420
    OH NO YOU DIDN'T.

    There's a large gap in talent between the WHL & the NHL. The NHL is a lot more tight-checking and team-oriented. The WHL is the way the NHL was in the '80s: more wide-open.
OH YES I DID. :-)

I thoroughly enjoyed the style of hockey, the speed of the game, and the general atmosphere of the Max Bell Arena - it was a good experience, and very affordable, at that. The ducats were worth every penny...and more.
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#17 Posted on 22.11.04 1357.45
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    Originally posted by SOK
      Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      Real bad timing with AHL in Toronto as this lock out year is the sandwich year between having the Toronto Roadrunners (Edmonton farm team) and having the St. John's Baby Leafs
    Ummm...the Road Runners (as they're now known as) moved to Edmonton over the summer

Yup. They were in Toronto for a short period before locating to Edmonton to be in the same city as their parent club... Wasn't the Hamilton Bulldogs used to be the Oilers farm club as well in the recent past? Now Hamilton is the Canadians farm club.

With the Roadrunners locating to their parent company in Edmonton and the Baby Leafs locating to Toronto next year is this a pattern of AHL being in their NHL club city? It makes sense out for the club as it's convenient to have their farm team really near by, but on the other end it's unfortunate for middle-size cities & towns not having any sort of professional hockey.
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