estragand
Summer sausage Level: 48
Posts: 268/439 EXP: 819856 For next: 3692
Since: 18.6.02
Since last post: 5990 days Last activity: 5990 days
| #2 Posted on 11.11.04 1616.10 Reposted on: 11.11.11 1616.46 | Yes, I agree with ya... surprising that it was a unanimous selection. For most of the season I thought Rivera was the pick. But we look up at the end of the season, and there's Santana. Reminds me of Doug Drabek's Cy Young year in 1990. Drabke had so-so numbers at the break, but put together an amazing second half. | BigSteve
Pepperoni Level: 71
Posts: 231/1091 EXP: 3053184 For next: 113945
Since: 23.7.04 From: Baltimore, MD
Since last post: 6276 days Last activity: 6004 days
| #3 Posted on 11.11.04 1626.19 Reposted on: 11.11.11 1628.41 | Yeah, the riht guy did win. But keep in mind, when talking about Schilling, ballots were due before the playoffs, so his heroics in the playoffs had no baring on the voting. | Gugs
Bierwurst Level: 90
Posts: 1269/1857 EXP: 7123587 For next: 65049
Since: 9.7.02 From: Sleep (That's where I'm a viking)
Since last post: 3953 days Last activity: 3081 days
| | Y!: | |
|
| #4 Posted on 11.11.04 1753.06 Reposted on: 11.11.11 1755.14 | Schilling had a great year, and should get some MVP votes, but this was absolutely Santana's award. Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League. | Grimis
Scrapple Level: 135
Posts: 4281/4700 EXP: 28678933 For next: 656148
Since: 11.7.02 From: MD
Since last post: 4704 days Last activity: 3159 days
| #5 Posted on 11.11.04 2001.32 Reposted on: 11.11.11 2329.03 | Originally posted by gugs Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League.
Johnson wins if he plays on a decent team. On a medicore team his 16-14 is 19-13, and on a good team he goes 25-5. | Gugs
Bierwurst Level: 90
Posts: 1270/1857 EXP: 7123587 For next: 65049
Since: 9.7.02 From: Sleep (That's where I'm a viking)
Since last post: 3953 days Last activity: 3081 days
| | Y!: | |
|
| #6 Posted on 11.11.04 2022.06 Reposted on: 11.11.11 2329.08 | Originally posted by Grimis
Originally posted by gugs Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League.
Johnson wins if he plays on a decent team. On a medicore team his 16-14 is 19-13, and on a good team he goes 25-5.
Which is exactly why wins should not be a deciding factor. Johnson was 13-2 when the D'Backs gave him at least two runs to work with, so it's not like the fourteen losses were all his fault. | geemoney
Scrapple Level: 125
Posts: 1301/3977 EXP: 22040229 For next: 413998
Since: 26.1.03 From: Naples, FL
Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 9 hours
| #7 Posted on 11.11.04 2220.47 Reposted on: 11.11.11 2329.35 | And to think, the Marlins let this guy get away.... | Jakegnosis
Morcilla Level: 57
Posts: 636/645 EXP: 1456557 For next: 29380
Since: 26.7.02 From: Maine
Since last post: 6296 days Last activity: 6280 days
| #8 Posted on 11.11.04 2257.40 Reposted on: 11.11.11 2329.47 | I guess I'm the only Schilling supporter here.
Schilling may have come up short on ERA, but he pitched against much tougher opposition than Santana. The AL Central is a joke. If Curt Schilling pitched mostly against the Tigers, White Sox and Royals, his stats would have jumped up considerably. Instead, he had to pitch in the AL East, a much tougher division. The Yankees and the Orioles have far tougher offenses than anyone in the AL Central, including the Twins themselves. There's no Jeter-A-Rod-Sheffield-Matsui or Mora-Tejada-Lopez-Palmeiro lineups in Santana's division.
Schilling is twice the pitcher Santana is. | SC
Potato korv Level: 59
Posts: 594/683 EXP: 1609841 For next: 63297
Since: 11.12.01 From: Valparaiso, IN
Since last post: 4762 days Last activity: 4096 days
| #9 Posted on 12.11.04 0008.21 Reposted on: 12.11.11 0008.25 | BAL NYY BOS MIN
Santana 15 IP 12 IP 8 IP --- 0.00 2.25 2.25 ---
Schilling 21 IP 18.2 IP --- 0 IP 2.14 4.82 ---
As you can see, the difference between pitching in the AL Central and AL East, as per these super tough lineups of the Orioles with Rafael Palmeiro, to whom there is certainly no equal in the AL Central, plus the Yankees, is 6-6.2 innings against either, and Santana was much better against both teams than Schilling was.
And are you just IGNORING the existence of the Devil Rays and Blue Jays? Santana blew everyone out of the water. There's not even a debate, they got this one right. I'm sorry, you're horribly, horribly wrong. | Corajudo
Frankfurter Level: 63
Posts: 328/810 EXP: 2036319 For next: 60844
Since: 7.11.02 From: Dallas, TX
Since last post: 3541 days Last activity: 3044 days
| #10 Posted on 12.11.04 0859.52 Reposted on: 12.11.11 0900.15 | Originally posted by ScottChrist
BAL NYY BOS MIN
Santana 15 IP 12 IP 8 IP --- 0.00 2.25 2.25 ---
Schilling 21 IP 18.2 IP --- 0 IP 2.14 4.82 ---
As you can see, the difference between pitching in the AL Central and AL East, as per these super tough lineups of the Orioles with Rafael Palmeiro, to whom there is certainly no equal in the AL Central, plus the Yankees, is 6-6.2 innings against either, and Santana was much better against both teams than Schilling was.
And are you just IGNORING the existence of the Devil Rays and Blue Jays? Santana blew everyone out of the water. There's not even a debate, they got this one right. I'm sorry, you're horribly, horribly wrong.
Not just that, but the AL East hitting gets significantly worse if you exclude Boston. Obviously, Schilling didn't have to pitch against his own team. Now, if he had pitched for Baltimore, Toronto or Tampa and his ERA was a lot closer (not to mention Ks and WHIP), then you might have a point. However, his stats were not even that close to Santana's (aside from wins, of course). | ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE |
| | | | | | | | |