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#1 Posted on 11.11.04 1450.08
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1920845

Good that the baseball writers got this one right. Shocking to me that no one voted for Schilling but the right man won. Congrats to Santana on a fantastic season and one of the best second half's ever.
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#2 Posted on 11.11.04 1616.10
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Yes, I agree with ya... surprising that it was a unanimous selection. For most of the season I thought Rivera was the pick. But we look up at the end of the season, and there's Santana. Reminds me of Doug Drabek's Cy Young year in 1990. Drabke had so-so numbers at the break, but put together an amazing second half.
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#3 Posted on 11.11.04 1626.19
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Yeah, the riht guy did win. But keep in mind, when talking about Schilling, ballots were due before the playoffs, so his heroics in the playoffs had no baring on the voting.
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#4 Posted on 11.11.04 1753.06
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Schilling had a great year, and should get some MVP votes, but this was absolutely Santana's award. Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League.
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#5 Posted on 11.11.04 2001.32
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    Originally posted by gugs
    Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League.
Johnson wins if he plays on a decent team. On a medicore team his 16-14 is 19-13, and on a good team he goes 25-5.
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#6 Posted on 11.11.04 2022.06
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by gugs
      Good to see the writers get this one right after the travesty in the National League.
    Johnson wins if he plays on a decent team. On a medicore team his 16-14 is 19-13, and on a good team he goes 25-5.


Which is exactly why wins should not be a deciding factor. Johnson was 13-2 when the D'Backs gave him at least two runs to work with, so it's not like the fourteen losses were all his fault.
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#7 Posted on 11.11.04 2220.47
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And to think, the Marlins let this guy get away....
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#8 Posted on 11.11.04 2257.40
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I guess I'm the only Schilling supporter here.

Schilling may have come up short on ERA, but he pitched against much tougher opposition than Santana. The AL Central is a joke. If Curt Schilling pitched mostly against the Tigers, White Sox and Royals, his stats would have jumped up considerably. Instead, he had to pitch in the AL East, a much tougher division. The Yankees and the Orioles have far tougher offenses than anyone in the AL Central, including the Twins themselves. There's no Jeter-A-Rod-Sheffield-Matsui or Mora-Tejada-Lopez-Palmeiro lineups in Santana's division.

Schilling is twice the pitcher Santana is.
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#9 Posted on 12.11.04 0008.21
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BAL NYY BOS MIN

Santana 15 IP 12 IP 8 IP ---
0.00 2.25 2.25 ---

Schilling 21 IP 18.2 IP --- 0 IP
2.14 4.82 ---


As you can see, the difference between pitching in the AL Central and AL East, as per these super tough lineups of the Orioles with Rafael Palmeiro, to whom there is certainly no equal in the AL Central, plus the Yankees, is 6-6.2 innings against either, and Santana was much better against both teams than Schilling was.

And are you just IGNORING the existence of the Devil Rays and Blue Jays? Santana blew everyone out of the water. There's not even a debate, they got this one right. I'm sorry, you're horribly, horribly wrong.
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#10 Posted on 12.11.04 0859.52
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    Originally posted by ScottChrist

    BAL NYY BOS MIN

    Santana 15 IP 12 IP 8 IP ---
    0.00 2.25 2.25 ---

    Schilling 21 IP 18.2 IP --- 0 IP
    2.14 4.82 ---


    As you can see, the difference between pitching in the AL Central and AL East, as per these super tough lineups of the Orioles with Rafael Palmeiro, to whom there is certainly no equal in the AL Central, plus the Yankees, is 6-6.2 innings against either, and Santana was much better against both teams than Schilling was.

    And are you just IGNORING the existence of the Devil Rays and Blue Jays? Santana blew everyone out of the water. There's not even a debate, they got this one right. I'm sorry, you're horribly, horribly wrong.


Not just that, but the AL East hitting gets significantly worse if you exclude Boston. Obviously, Schilling didn't have to pitch against his own team. Now, if he had pitched for Baltimore, Toronto or Tampa and his ERA was a lot closer (not to mention Ks and WHIP), then you might have a point. However, his stats were not even that close to Santana's (aside from wins, of course).
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