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The 7 - Sports that aren't Baseball, Football, Basketball, or Hockey - NASCAR: 2 races to go
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#1 Posted on 10.11.04 0816.07
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NASCAR NEXTEL POINTS STANDINGS:

1. Kurt Busch 6191
2. Jeff Gordon 6150
3. Dale Earnhardt Jr. 6144
4. Jimmie Johnson 6143
5. Mark Martin 6087


With the new Chase for the Cup format, there are three drivers within 48 points of the leader, Busch. Interestingly, if they hadn't changed the points system, there would still be an EXTREMELY close race for the title.

NASCAR NEXTEL POINTS STANDINGS (under old points system):

1. Jeff Gordon 4702
2. Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4645
3. Jimmie Johnson 4640
4. Kurt Busch 4480
5. Tony Stewart 4424


I'm still not sure how I feel about this whole "Chase" deal. On the plus side, the 25th & 26th races were very exciting with the guys trying to make the Chase, and the points race is very close. It MIGHT have been close, anyway, but the guys like Jimmie Johnson who knew they were going to be in the Chase didn't worry about their results in the the last few races in the "Race to the Chase", so the points results might have bben a lot different.

It's also kind of bogus if a guy like Jamie MacMurray gets penalized financially for missing out on the Chase. He's currently the 11th-place driver by 215 points over Dale Jarrett, so he's pretty much go the $1 million bonus wrapped up, BUT under the old points system he'd be in 7th, only one point behind Mark Martin for 6th. I'm sure he'll be a chic pick for the Cup going into 2005.

The other thing, which drove me crazy about the points sytems anyway, is that the winners don't necessarily do well in the Cup standings. I think it's silly that Ryan Newman won EIGHT races in 2004 and lost the title to a guy who won TWO, because of his seven bad races (where he finished 37th or worse). However, since only Newman and Kurt Busch (who won four last year) had more than three wins, it made the 2004 season more open for a guy like Matt Kenseth to run away with the points title. That's something that only happened once in a while, but NASCAR decided they needed to change up the format to keep fans interested, so this year we've got this situation:

                 Wins    Top 5s   Top 10s
Driver A 7 18 21
Driver B 6 16 21
Driver C 5 14 23
Driver D 3 9 19


And who's leading the points? Driver D (Busch), of course. Even though Johnson's got the most wins and top fives, Earnhardt Jr's got double the wins, and Gordon (who'd be going for his FIFTH title, leaving him two back of the King and Dale Sr.) has the most top tens.

(edited by JayJayDean on 10.11.04 0616)
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#2 Posted on 10.11.04 0820.38
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I'm not the biggest NASCAR guy, but what bonus is McMurray going for?
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#3 Posted on 10.11.04 0825.17
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I'm not the biggest NASCAR guy, but what bonus is McMurray going for?


He would win (I believe) $1 million for being the highest-finishing driver outside of the Chase for the Cup.
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#4 Posted on 10.11.04 1331.33
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I still think that it was bogus for Earnhardt to get penalized the 25 points for his slip of the tongue on National TV - if he finishes within 25 of the lead I suspect that there will be a whole lot more cussing coming his general direction.....
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#5 Posted on 13.11.04 0152.08
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The girlfriend and I are rooting for opposite sides; she's 100% Johnson, while I think Busch will take it.

It's an exciting time to be a Nascar fan, even a newer fan such as myself.
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#6 Posted on 13.11.04 0224.27
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Is it ever a good sign when your girlfriend is 100% Johnson?
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#7 Posted on 13.11.04 0424.39
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I've been surprised that the Chase for the Cup hasn't turned into all-out team warfare and I won't be surprised if we see it in the last two races. Obviously there's too much at stake for, say, Rousch to direct Biffle or Edwards, Hendrick to direct Labonte or Vickers or DEI to direct Waltrip or Fellows to help their teammates in any way possible, but it's certainly not something I'd put past anyone.

If Junior loses the Cup by less than 25 points, expect rioting. Seriously. If he isn't mathematically eliminated after Sunday's race, NASCAR might look into increased security at Homestead and Mike Helton would be an idiot not to hire bodyguards for that event, if not just skipping it altogether. Helton might find himself out of a job in that event, too. In an interview Junior joked about the possibility the publicity that will come for his team and Budweiser with that scenario being bigger than if he wins the championship, but I'd doubt Budweiser will be too happy regardless of the fact. And his fanbase, the biggest in the sport...like I said, rioting.

I expect some tweaking of the Chase for next season and if Junior's slip of the tongue affects the final outcome, a hard look at that rule, too. There's no reason the word "shit" should carry the same penalty as running an illegal setup.
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#8 Posted on 13.11.04 0816.09
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Is it ever a good sign when your girlfriend is 100% Johnson?
I dunno about that one :-) Her mom firmly supports Jeff Gordon. Wonder which one is the lesser of the two evils.

    Originally posted by rockstar
    If Junior loses the Cup by less than 25 points, expect rioting. Seriously. If he isn't mathematically eliminated after Sunday's race, NASCAR might look into increased security at Homestead
What's it going take for the top five drivers (as according to the current rankings and point system) to be eliminated?
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#9 Posted on 13.11.04 0858.10
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Is it ever a good sign when your girlfriend is 100% Johnson?


Of course, HE thinks BUSCH will take it...
    Originally posted by SOK
    What's it going take for the top five drivers (as according to the current rankings and point system) to be eliminated?


The guy who finishes last gets 37 points, so if you're down 154 after this week, you're out. (They'll say 191 points is the official margin to be eliminated, by if you're down by more than 154, once the leader starts his engine next week, you're out.) Martin is the only guy who is realistically in danger this week, as if Busch wins and Martin finishes worse than 9th he's out. Gordon, Dale Jr., and Johnson would have to finish almost last to be eliminated.

If you're watching the race tonight (it's tonight, right?) make sure you catch the start. Qualifying got rained out so they line the guys up by points position, which means the top ten guys will be in the first five rows. I'll be fairly shocked if they all make it through the first few laps, especially at Darlington.


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#10 Posted on 13.11.04 1741.46
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I like the system, but something has to be done about the way points are scored. A win should be worth more while an 11th should be quite a bit less than a 10th and a 21st and a 20th.

I'm a Stewart fan and he has raced pretty lousy this year, so he might as well start crashing people again. I'm also a fan of perennial loser Kyle Petty ... he will see the top ten again, he has to right?

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