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#1 Posted on 9.11.04 2122.48
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Mike Johnson at PW Insider is reporting that Randy Savage is already done with TNA after making an appearance at the end of the main event of Victory Road ...

"After debuting at the Victory Road PPV, Randy Savage called up TNA officials this afternoon and pulled out of all future appearances.

According to one source who was backstage at tonight's Impact! taping, Savage claimed to TNA officials that the company had an "unsafe working environment", stemming from his backstage run-in with Hulk Hogan at the PPV Sunday night.

According to the source, when Savage blew off Hogan backstage during their brief conversation at Victory Road, Hogan then offered to step outside with Savage and settle their differences, just as Savage had challenged him to do publicly on several occasions. Hogan then offered for their issues to be left in the past. Savage ignored the comments and walked away."

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#2 Posted on 9.11.04 2133.17
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Well, I'm sure TNA's happy that they devoted the end of their biggest show ever on the guy. Personally, I'm suprised he even showed up to that event at all.

And the image Hogan challenging Savage to go outside and fight brings laughter out of me for some reason.
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#3 Posted on 9.11.04 2135.06
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    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Well, I'm sure TNA's happy that they devoted the end of their biggest show ever on the guy. Personally, I'm suprised he even showed up to that event at all.

    And the image Hogan challenging Savage to go outside and fight brings laughter out of me for some reason.


Wonder if the "Hogan showed up to piss Savage off and sabotage TNA" rumors will now start?
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#4 Posted on 9.11.04 2137.38
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God TNA is dumb...
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#5 Posted on 9.11.04 2145.24
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    Originally posted by Mayhem
    Wonder if the "Hogan showed up to piss Savage off and sabotage TNA" rumors will now start?


Personally, I think Triple H sent Hogan to sabotage TNA. I also think he told Lex Luger to no-sell for AJ Styles last year. But that's just my guess.

    Originally posted by Y2J 420
    God TNA is dumb...


I'm starting to get the feeling that you're not a huge TNA fan.

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#6 Posted on 9.11.04 2155.40
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I wouldn't have as big of a problem with it if they hadn't claimed to be some form of an alternative to the WWF when all they do is take old WWF angles (or WCW ones for that matter)...

I mean hell, on the Victory Road PPV, they stole an angle from 20 + yrs. ago with the Piper/Snuka thing, and then continued to take the angle that the WWF used in 2003 with Snuka and Piper...it's ridiculous...

Their roster looks more and more like ex-WWF & ECW rejects...

Can I view Jeff Hardy as a viable "World champ" contender? Hell no...same with Jeff Jarrett, Bill Gunn, Road Dogg, D'lo Borwn (when he was witht he company) and so on...sure they have up-and-comers...nothing wrong with that...but for this company to view itself as a God send to the fans, it's obsurd...

They look so bush league too...with all the WWF remarks and commentators comparing their wrestlers to current WWF ones...yeah, like anyone on the current TNA roster can be compared to Shawn Michaels...not even the wrestling fan's "wet dream" AJ Styles can be compared to him...
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#7 Posted on 9.11.04 2158.34
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    Originally posted by Mayhem
    Wonder if the "Hogan showed up to piss Savage off and sabotage TNA" rumors will now start?


I would imagine that Hogan was invited by TNA, and didn't just show on his own accord. I doubt he cares that much about the promotion.

What I DO wonder, in that case, is what TNA was thinking in this instance. Everybody knows that there's been legitimate heat between the two for years, and that having them in the same lockerroom (even for one night) could be disastrous. Why would they even invite Hogan, when they were only going to use Savage on the show? Were they perhaps hoping to instigate a confrontation?

Perhaps they were banking on something going down between the two backstage to give them some publicity...even though the power of exposure via the IWC is exaggerated. Who knows.

It serves them right. Not to sound discriminatory in terms of age, but Savage is too old and has been out of the spotlight too long to have done them any good in the short or long term.

    Originally posted by Y2J 420
    They look so bush league too...with all the WWF remarks and commentators comparing their wrestlers to current WWF ones...yeah, like anyone on the current TNA roster can be compared to Shawn Michaels...not even the wrestling fan's "wet dream" AJ Styles can be compared to him...


Is there really any other way to establish the promotion as an alternative (which is what they really need to do)? I know most people (including myself) would get annoyed at the extent to which WCW would do it, but recognizing and in turn blasting the (then) Big Two promotions in the United States worked very well for ECW. Going to your other point, though, is that it doesn't work very well when the promotion is going out of its way to replicate storylines and bring back WWE stars of yesteryear.

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#8 Posted on 9.11.04 2202.12
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    Originally posted by OMEGA
    And the image Hogan challenging Savage to go outside and fight brings laughter out of me for some reason.


It calls to mind the WWE's skits a few years back featuring "The Huckster" and "The Nacho Man".
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#9 Posted on 9.11.04 2205.33
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Geez, he devotes an entire album to his hatred of Hulk Hogan and can't bring himself to take one swing? "Be a Man" indeed...
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#10 Posted on 9.11.04 2212.05
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Probably the best thing they can do now is try to spin this into "Jarrett forced Savage out!" like they did with Hogan. Too bad Jarrett didn't paste Savage with a guitar backstage just so they'd have some footage in the can. Unsafe work environment, indeed.

TNA needs to stop depending on these old guys who don't NEED them. Hogan can take TNA or he can leave it, it's all the same to him. Same with Savage and Piper (and Hardy?) and the rest. So none of them think twice about up and leaving at a moment's notice, and none of them feel like they have to work hard while they're there.

Are they gaining buys and fans by trotting out these guys for ten minutes once a month? I dunno. I know that I watch despite the "legends," not because of them -- but I don't want to fall into the smark trap of thinking that I represent their fanbase in any way.

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#11 Posted on 9.11.04 2233.08
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    Originally posted by Mayhem
    when Savage blew off Hogan backstage during their brief conversation at Victory Road, Hogan then offered to step outside with Savage and settle their differences, just as Savage had challenged him to do publicly on several occasions. Hogan then offered for their issues to be left in the past. Savage ignored the comments and walked away."


Sheesh. BE A MAN already.

Maybe Jimmy Hart can cobble together some retaliation track for Hogan to rap over. That would be the very pinnacle of music.
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#12 Posted on 9.11.04 2336.38
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"Probably the best thing they can do now is try to spin this into "Jarrett forced Savage out!" like they did with Hogan."

According to the Spoilers for Impact this week, Jarrett pretty much says just that.
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#13 Posted on 10.11.04 0802.07
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    Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by OMEGA
      And the image Hogan challenging Savage to go outside and fight brings laughter out of me for some reason.


    It calls to mind the WWE's skits a few years back featuring "The Huckster" and "The Nacho Man".


Ha! That's what it pretty much boils down to. These two ancient leatherskins were washed-up ten years ago. The Huckster and the Nacho Man. Yeah! Dig It!
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#14 Posted on 10.11.04 0804.31
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I only hope TNA didn't actually pay Savage for his brief appearance. I mean, what a ridiculous cop out. By all accounts (or at least the ones I've read), Hogan isn't even HEADED to TNA, so how would that possibly threaten Savage's future apperances? I almost feel sorry for Savage, he has become so... so... delusional. It's sad.

As for TNA, yeah they're kind of screwed now. You would think they would have learned from the Hogan fiasco -- don't start a major angle until you're sure you have someone committed to go through with the story. Or at least they should have learned from WCW's mistakes not to let primadonnas run their shows.
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#15 Posted on 10.11.04 0949.36
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They need to just wrestle their hearts, thats how you get an alternative. It worked for ECW and to some extent WCW. Put on Match of the Year candidates instead of bringing in people who can't even go ten minutes. I do see Jeff as a World Title holder, but with NWO version 20, I don't see that happening. They need to focus on the people committed to this company instead of people who show up and then back out as soon as things get hairy.

As for Savage, he is a pussy. Also TNA is idoitic for even thinking Savage or Hogan would work a extended program ever. Hogan will get the call in January to come down to do the Hall of Fame for Wrestlemania 21, because they are going to need help with the buyrate, and where better than Cali to induct Hogan. The Jarretts are morons to think Hogan would even consider jeapordize that spot. They need to stop worrying about quick ficks and think long term. They have a ton of potential in their hands and waisting it on crap like DDP/Raven part 15. I want an alternative and as much as people bash it Ring of Honor with the Steamboat/Foley fued is going to be it.
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#16 Posted on 10.11.04 1012.59
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"Their roster looks more and more like ex-WWF & ECW rejects..."


By that logic, Austin and Foley were just WCW rejects and not guys who one should build a company around.

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#17 Posted on 10.11.04 1024.46
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    I want an alternative and as much as people bash it Ring of Honor with the Steamboat/Foley fued is going to be it.


I don't know much about ROH... but they are coming to Jersey in early December; is it worth checking out?
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#18 Posted on 10.11.04 1039.47
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From what I have been reading and seeing, its at least a look. Foley has been guest starring of late and they do have some good talent. I just wouldn't spend too much for a first look. I will be buying the newest ROH DVD when it comes out.
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#19 Posted on 10.11.04 1622.12
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So, am I wrong, or doesn't TNA now sign its wrestlers to contracts. I guess he could still just leave, but shouldn't they have had something concrete in place before they, you know, used the guy and positioned him as a major player. They try to compare themselves to WWE, then make all kinds of stupid mistales that WWE would never make in a million years. Bush league, indeed.
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#20 Posted on 10.11.04 2236.29
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    It worked for ECW and to some extent WCW. Put on Match of the Year candidates instead of bringing in people who can't even go ten minutes. They need to focus on the people committed to this company instead of people who show up and then back out as soon as things get hairy.


How did it "work" for ECW? I am so tired of people using that...whatever it was as an example of a sound business model. They took a bunch of guys, the vast majority of whom couldn't work, hid their weaknesses and created a good product. Those guys mortgaged their bodies working a directionless and dangerous style, because they thought a bunch of misogynistic scumbags chanting "show your tits" would help them create a wrestling revolution. And they did, in the WWF. Everyone with an ounce of talent left for places that could actually let them feed their families*. The last thing the business needs is another ECW, another company that is going to drive itself to meet fans unreasonable expectations making a locker room filled with addicts, while never paying anyone enough to get by on.

Also, what is a match of the year candidate? Because, when I got that 1 "best of" I was really not impressed. That cage match featuring AMW and some other team I can't be bothered to remember was violently overrated. They need stars, for damn sure, but they also need to learn to work matches that are actually five stars, not indy scene five stars. It doesn't bode well for the company when Raven goes on his website and says the roster can't work, says that wrestling boils down to the art of selling and that most of the TNA roster can't do it properly, has no comprehension of it whatsoever and is incapable of a great match thusly. They've got bigger problems than a wrestling legend deciding to grace their crappy little 8-sided ring, a turn of events they should be erect over if you ask me.

Savage has been slipping in the sanity department for some time. Hogan's THE MAN. Neither of these guys should be in any way involved with TNA.



*(Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko -> WCW, Raven -> WCW, then WWF, Tazz -> WWF, Foley -> WWF, Austin -> WWF, Dudleys -> WWF)
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