The W
Views: 99910936
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
22.10.07 0454
The 7 - Baseball - Goodbye, Montreal Expos. Hello, Washington Nationals.
This thread has 5 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
(418 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (13 total)
Kawshen
Liverwurst
Level: 69

Posts: 843/1201
EXP: 2845990
For next: 23768

Since: 2.1.02
From: Bronx, NY

Since last post: 1957 days
Last activity: 217 days
AIM:  
#1 Posted on 5.11.04 1740.15
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1742.03
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1916908

Sources told the Times that Nationals is a near lock, ahead of Grays, historical name of the Negro League team in Washington, and Senators, following a process that involved focus groups, marketing executives and polling data.

The team logo and uniform designs also are nearing completion, sources told the Times. Team colors will be red, white and blue, of course, although there's no indication which will be the primary color.

The clear aim is to put caps, shirts and other merchandise on sale for holiday shopping, which begins in less than three weeks.

-----------------------

This only works if they rename one of the AL Teams the Americans - even though that's technically the same meaning as 'Yankees' :)
Promote this thread!
BigSteve
Pepperoni
Level: 64

Posts: 194/1091
EXP: 2204496
For next: 9613

Since: 23.7.04
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 2840 days
Last activity: 2568 days
#2 Posted on 5.11.04 1808.15
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1809.46
Nationals....eh I don't like it. I don't think that Senators is really great either, but at least it has the historical significance to go with it. They ought to be pretty cool looking with the red, white, and blue though.
Whitebacon
Boudin blanc
Level: 95

Posts: 1579/2468
EXP: 8374638
For next: 294000

Since: 12.1.02
From: Fresno, CA

Since last post: 66 days
Last activity: 2 min.
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#3 Posted on 5.11.04 1811.09
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1811.44
The problem with the Senators name is that the rights are still owned by the Rangers.

Don't go buying your National's merchandise just yet though:
DC Council RFK plan could derail move. (sports.espn.go.com)
bash91
Merguez
Level: 55

Posts: 305/711
EXP: 1296381
For next: 17817

Since: 2.1.02
From: Plain Dealing, LA

Since last post: 797 days
Last activity: 10 hours
#4 Posted on 5.11.04 1820.18
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1820.53
Personally, I'm convinced that there's something in the air causing mass insanity when I find myself agreeing with Marion Freaking Barry about anything but, GO MARION.

Tim
estragand
Summer sausage
Level: 45

Posts: 263/439
EXP: 617618
For next: 42551

Since: 18.6.02

Since last post: 2554 days
Last activity: 2554 days
AIM:  
#5 Posted on 5.11.04 1833.40
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1833.43
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Nationals....eh I don't like it. I don't think that Senators is really great either, but at least it has the historical significance to go with it. They ought to be pretty cool looking with the red, white, and blue though.

I believe that the original Senators were once known as the "Nationals" prior to 1957 or so. So there's some history there, as well. I've never been able to figure out an exact date for the name change.

As far as franchise records go... will Expos records carry over into the new Nationals, or will they start fresh? (Similar to the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens switch, where they started over). Original Senators records are part of Twins history, and 60's/70's Senators records are now part of the Rangers.
Sec19Row53
Lap cheong
Level: 78

Posts: 544/1576
EXP: 4278178
For next: 104067

Since: 2.1.02
From: Oconomowoc, WI

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 6 hours
Y!:
#6 Posted on 5.11.04 1859.41
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1900.55
Since there won't be another Expos franchise, I have to believe that the Expos records will apply to the Nationals.

From what I've read elsewhere, the first incarnation of the Nationals officially became the Senators in 1955 or 56, although they were informally and popularly known as the Senators long before that.
Grimis
Scrapple
Level: 124

Posts: 4255/4700
EXP: 21580858
For next: 255804

Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1268 days
Last activity: 1065 days
#7 Posted on 5.11.04 1948.29
Reposted on: 5.11.11 1950.50
And remember, they could still be the Virginia Nationals before the end of this...
BigSteve
Pepperoni
Level: 64

Posts: 201/1091
EXP: 2204496
For next: 9613

Since: 23.7.04
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 2840 days
Last activity: 2568 days
#8 Posted on 6.11.04 0841.05
Reposted on: 6.11.11 0841.05
Baseball-reference.com doesn't list the Twins as ever being the Washington Nationals. It says Washington Senators from 1901 to 1960. So I guess that is incorrect, and I have nothing to add to that part of the discussion.

Anyway, as for the records, I think they wouldbe new records. My take on it is, anytime a team changes city AND nickname (Montreal Expos to Washington Nationals), they are a 'new' team. If the team only changes one or the other (St Louis Cardinals to Phoenix Cardinals or Washington Bullets to Washington Wizards), I would view it as the same franchise and records.
Grimis
Scrapple
Level: 124

Posts: 4257/4700
EXP: 21580858
For next: 255804

Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1268 days
Last activity: 1065 days
#9 Posted on 6.11.04 0849.42
Reposted on: 6.11.11 0850.17
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Baseball-reference.com doesn't list the Twins as ever being the Washington Nationals. It says Washington Senators from 1901 to 1960. So I guess that is incorrect, and I have nothing to add to that part of the discussion.
They were both, technically. You can see that tby these 1905 uniforms...

(image removed)


It wasn't until 1959 that they put Senators on their uniforms...
Zeruel
Thirty Millionth Hit
Moderator
Level: 131

Posts: 2378/5214
EXP: 25743827
For next: 680863

Since: 2.1.02
From: The Silver Spring in the Land of Mary.

Since last post: 4 days
Last activity: 49 sec.
#10 Posted on 6.11.04 1015.15
Reposted on: 6.11.11 1015.23
    Originally posted by Grimis
    And remember, they could still be the Virginia Nationals before the end of this...


When the DC City Council fucks this up and MLB moves them to Arlington or Alexandria, they will probably still be known as the DC team, just the stadium. (See: Landover Redskins and the Cap Centre Bullets/Capitals)
Grimis
Scrapple
Level: 124

Posts: 4260/4700
EXP: 21580858
For next: 255804

Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1268 days
Last activity: 1065 days
#11 Posted on 6.11.04 1932.21
Reposted on: 6.11.11 1933.21
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    When the DC City Council fucks this up and MLB moves them to Arlington or Alexandria, they will probably still be known as the DC team, just the stadium. (See: Landover Redskins and the Cap Centre Bullets/Capitals)
I think that depends on ownership. If the Collins group buys the team, and the stadium gets built in Fairfax County, then they will be the Virginia Nationals/Fury/Whatever...
Zeruel
Thirty Millionth Hit
Moderator
Level: 131

Posts: 2380/5214
EXP: 25743827
For next: 680863

Since: 2.1.02
From: The Silver Spring in the Land of Mary.

Since last post: 4 days
Last activity: 49 sec.
#12 Posted on 6.11.04 2223.36
Reposted on: 6.11.11 2225.00
Maybe it's because I'm too "close" to the situation, but "The Virginia _____" just sounds small market to me. I don't know why.
Whitebacon
Boudin blanc
Level: 95

Posts: 1581/2468
EXP: 8374638
For next: 294000

Since: 12.1.02
From: Fresno, CA

Since last post: 66 days
Last activity: 2 min.
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#13 Posted on 7.11.04 0232.38
Reposted on: 7.11.11 0235.57
I don't think its because your close to the situation, it sounds small-market to me as well, and I'm pretty far away.

The Virginia Fury sounds like a WNBA/MLS reject.
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Jason Bay NL Rookie of the Year
Next thread: This Year's Free Agents
Previous thread: Well, At Least He's Undefeated...
(418 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
The 7 - Baseball - Goodbye, Montreal Expos. Hello, Washington Nationals.Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.232 seconds.