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#21 Posted on 5.11.04 1359.05
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The Eagles played the Dolphins last year so I don't think we will for at least three years.
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#22 Posted on 5.11.04 1837.53
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TO is an ass, plain and simple. He whined to leave SF because his selfish nature wouldn't allow him to occasionally be a second option so he attacked his QB, a multi-time Pro Bowler. He whined because he was too much of an F---ing moron to file his free agency papers or have his agent do it. Of course, his failure to follow proper procedures was unfair somehow. He whined that Ray Lewis gets more endoresemnts than him, despite Lewis being a much better player than him. I'm reminded of the story that ends with the snake biting its healer (I think it was a snake) and saying "you knew I wasa snake when you met me." The Eagles knew To was a lousy piece of crap, and when things don't work out in the near future, and he starts to bitch, I will be LOVING IT.
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#23 Posted on 7.11.04 1539.59
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A Fan. You was right. I forgive you. OMG.
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#24 Posted on 7.11.04 1548.47
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Apology accpeted.
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#25 Posted on 8.11.04 0037.05
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I retract anything remotely decent I said about TO.
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#26 Posted on 8.11.04 0546.56
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    I retract anything remotely decent I said about TO.


Why, because he was trying to get McNabb pumped up? This didn't look like the typical TO tantrum to me. It was in a totally different league than TO going off on an offensive coordinator. Plus TO even smiled when Hines Ward mocked his ass. He's competitive and surely likes all the attention that he gets. His on the field antics are in some ways good for the league (at least they aren't as bad as a lot of guy's off the field stuff), people will watch Philly games just to see him get beat. He reminds me of Rodman in some ways, he plays heel to the league .... whether the league needs a heel or not largely depends on your point of view. If nothing else he has taken a tremendous amount of unjustified heat off of Donavan McNabb. The media all but crucified the man last year.

That being said Randy Moss is the better (ie best) receiver and I would never take TO on my Patriots as he doesn't understand the team philosophy.
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#27 Posted on 8.11.04 0602.08
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    Originally posted by Tony Stewart
    That being said Randy Moss is the better (ie best) receiver and I would never take TO on my Patriots as he doesn't understand the team philosophy.

But you'd take Moss who won't try when running patterns across the middle because he's afraid to get hit? That doesn't sound like a good understanding of team philosophy to me either.
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#28 Posted on 8.11.04 1020.42
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Hahaha....one loss..ONE...and TO is already starting his bullshit with McNabb. I can hardly believe it happened taht quickly, but I'm glad it did. Remeber TO, you can only complain about a certain number of pro bowl quarterbacks during your career.
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#29 Posted on 8.11.04 1128.32
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Hahaha....one loss..ONE...and TO is already starting his bullshit with McNabb. I can hardly believe it happened taht quickly, but I'm glad it did. Remeber TO, you can only complain about a certain number of pro bowl quarterbacks during your career.


I think the key word is "one loss." TO has been the greatest thing to happen to Philly since McNabb. McNabb and TO both after the game downplayed the incident. TO himself has had only one bad game.

So bitch if you want, but you can't really call him, in your words, "a lousy piece of crap" if you look at his production. And did TO give everybody crap for mocking him in their celebrations yesterday? Of course not, because TO likes to have fun and doesn't seem to mind taking it as well as dishing it out.

Bitter much?
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#30 Posted on 8.11.04 1137.55
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The key here is that TO said "he loved it" when Ward did the mock wing flap. He also spoke about how he and Lewis buried the hatchet and he said he was wrong. I don't think you can blame the Eagles loss yesterday on TO at all. If you watched the game you would know the reason we lost was horrible line play on both offense and defense. Its amazing how many people that are bailing on the Eagles after ONE LOSS. Hey I think right now that the Steelers are the best team in football and would love to see them in Jacksonville. It just is so obvious that the Eagles are going to have no time winning the NFC this year that its not even funny.
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#31 Posted on 8.11.04 1143.48
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Hahaha....one loss..ONE...and TO is already starting his bullshit with McNabb. I can hardly believe it happened taht quickly, but I'm glad it did. Remeber TO, you can only complain about a certain number of pro bowl quarterbacks during your career.


Uh, yeah. That (philadelphiaeagles.com) sure sounds like complaining to me.

The irony is that TO was simply doing EXACTLY the same thing as plenty of guys who are praised as locker room leaders (ie firing up his team mates). There's not a single fricking word of complaint about McNabb or any other team mate in there.

As its TO involved though, people are all too quick to jump to conclusions which can best be described as wrong.

Honestly, I'm not completely immune to Owens' faults. He can come across as an ass. His comments about Garcia were classless. His spiking the ball against the Cowboys wasn't much better.

But this pigeon holing of him as a selfish cry-baby is completely off target. Arguably the biggest thing TO has given us since his arrival isn't his deep threat, but his downfield blocking ability. He puts in an absolute shed load of work when he DOESN'T have the ball. Thats not the act of a selfish player.

He's still got former team mates this past week sticking up for him in spite of his supposed complete self interest.

Just about anyone who's ever worked with the guy praises him as one of the hardest workers in football, something which certainly can't be said about Moss.

TO isn't an angel, it'd be a fool who suggests he is. But to readily accept the common perception of him as a self-centred whinger is to completely ignore a wealth of evidence both on and off the field to the contrary.
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#32 Posted on 8.11.04 1204.50
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I loved how the FOX announcers basically said "here we go again" in regards to TO, and then they backtracked by the end of the game, saying that they really didn't know what was going on and it was probably just TO trying to fire McNabb up. You see TO show any emotion, and you automatically assume that it's him being a jerk. Oh, but Warren Sapp blowing up on Norv Turner last weekend was him being a competitor. Same with Reggie Wayne shoving Peyton Manning.

Everybody's making a huge deal out of it, and it's stupid. I'm not a big fan of TO's antics (huge fan of his play, though), but I thought it was quite telling that he wasn't being a jackass after catching balls when they were down 21-0. I was impressed that he just went back to the huddle when there are guys (on the team even, Freddie Mitchell) that will do a crazy first down motion no matter what the score.

Also, with the attacks on TO (warrented or not) the locker room is surrounding him and supporting him. There hasn't been a trace of dissention, and I doubt it's being covered up, because dissention has taken place in that locker room as recently as two seasons ago (or you could say even last week with Freddie Mitchell's comments). A happy, supported Terrell Owens is a dangerous Terrell Owens, and when he's got guys like Brian Dawkins and Hollis Thomas on his side (leaders of the defense), I don't think that they honeymoon is over quite yet.

(edited by Roy. on 8.11.04 1305)
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#33 Posted on 8.11.04 1239.04
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The problem with the sideline encounter between TO and McNabb is that it appeared like McNabb was trying to walk away from TO. Given that, it's too easy to assume that it was TO bitching. Anything said at this point is too easily dismissed as spin. If there are no further blow-ups, then I'd be inclined to accept it as a discussion. If it happens more frequently, that's a bad sign.

You HAVE to love his reaction to the Hines Ward bird dance, though. I give him credit for taking that as well as he dishes it out.
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#34 Posted on 8.11.04 1242.25
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Did anyone else catch the Ray Lewis interview on SportCenter about the thing and think "whoa - he's cutting a Brother Love promo!"

As for the dance itself, I've always been a fan of that stuff - I think it's entertaining and pretty much in good fun. Anything on the field is definitely fair game, and the Ray Lewis dance is "on the field." Now - if Ray Lewis did a little dance every time he got laid and TO did THAT one in the end zone - not cool.
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#35 Posted on 8.11.04 1252.33
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I'll be happy to shut my mouth if it doesn't happen anymore. I just wanted to point out that there is controversy after only one Eagles loss. I'm not saying TO isn't a great player or even a hard worker, I'm just saying he's a lightening rod for controversy. And yes, yes I am bitter, thank you very much. :-)
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#36 Posted on 8.11.04 1310.46
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This (espn.com) further illustrates the point of TO getting shit upon for no reason.


    Skip Bayless:
    Look for Donovan McNabb to keep flapping his wings faster and faster but fall slowly back to Earth. McNabb got his first glimpse Sunday of the real Terrell Owens -- the blame-deflecting front runner who, when things go south, will play to the sideline cameras and try to send a message to fans and media that it's the quarterback's or coordinator's fault. That's what he was trying to do as he followed McNabb up and down the sideline after the Eagles had fallen hopelessly behind at Pittsburgh. It will be a long second half of the season for McNabb.

I must have missed the footage of Skip in an Eagles uniform, walking next to McNabb while TO was yelling at them. This is just irresponsible reporting (if you can even call it that).
I like TO because he's an asshole who knows how to play football. He blocks upfield and he crosses the middle. As a fan of the game, I don't have to like TO the person. But I damn sure like TO the player.
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#37 Posted on 8.11.04 1403.07
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    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    As a fan of the game, I don't have to like TO the person. But I damn sure like TO the player.



And TO the person is who gets slammed all the time. I don't think anyone doubts or downplays his athletic ability one bit. When people show you who they are, believe them.

And sound clips/bites get edited all the time--if you don't what what you say taken out of context, don't say it.
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#38 Posted on 8.11.04 1630.51
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    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
      Originally posted by Tony Stewart
      That being said Randy Moss is the better (ie best) receiver and I would never take TO on my Patriots as he doesn't understand the team philosophy.

    But you'd take Moss who won't try when running patterns across the middle because he's afraid to get hit? That doesn't sound like a good understanding of team philosophy to me either.


I never said I take Randy Moss either. I'm just saying he is the better receiver.

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#39 Posted on 9.11.04 0348.23
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DrOp: Sorry for not making myself clear. By "TO the player", I was referring to his actions while wearing a uniform. And that's the guy that gets blasted more often than not. Immediately jumping to the conclusion that he was chewing McNabb a new asshole isn't fair. I might have seen it wrong but it looked like he was trying to fire up the leader of his team. Doing his dances, spiking the ball on the star in Dallas, that's all good with me. There's a reason for it. Saying what he said about Lewis to the media and continually questioning Jeff Garcia's heterosexuality are not cool. I don't like that stuff. You want to be an asshole? Do it on the field where there are legitimate consequences to your actions.

Tony Stewart: I misunderstood your post then. It sounded to me like you were comparing TO to Moss in terms of which receiver you'd rather have on your team. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth and apologize for that. But you have to realize that you were the first person to bring up Moss in this thread. And doing so in direct comparison with TO lead me to believe that you would want him on your team.

(edited by Kidbrooklyn on 9.11.04 0449)
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#40 Posted on 9.11.04 0452.48
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Don't you find a certain Boy Who Cried Wolf Here? When you've spent most of your career making classless statements and then backtracking on them, is it that surprising people are tired of taking your word that this time you didn't mean it? That you were really being a team player?

TO might have been just firing up Donovan. But at this point he's beyond "we must trust him" and to "he's gotta prove it".
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