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#41 Posted on 3.11.04 1032.57
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I think the best hope for the Democratic party right now, is someone like Obama, who is charismatic and can energize the base. However, after all this is said and done how much will Democrates go out and vote in 2008 or even 2006. It just seems like a lost cause after today. They can't go into the South without betraying some of the Democratic stance and when they do they look the same as the Republican challenger. Its a no win situation. They won't run Hillary espically if its going to be Jeb Bush in 2008. The only hope for the Democrates is John McCainn and a total meltdown for the Republicans. I don't know how things will be in the Senate, but rubber stamp is probably a good term for it.

The mess in Iraqi, I don't think has hit home yet for many Americans. If it drags out till 2006, then maybe the Democrates can run on it and rebound. However, I don't see that them getting control of the Senate like the Republicans did in 1994. I will say if things get worse, they are the easiest target since they control everything.

I also agree it was to early for Kerry to call it off, but maybe he knows something I don't. In the end, he ran as good as he could. The Republicans attacked everything about him including his military record. I don't think they came back enough to counter those charges plus his stance should have been crystal clear by May on Iraqi. On the other hand, Bush spent some much energy in Pa. you wonder if he is really good politician or just the lack of Bush in certain states helped him out. I also don't forsee this great healing of America anytime soon either. Bush has to concede, yes he has a mandate now, but it won't shock him if it eventually blows up in his face.
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#42 Posted on 3.11.04 1037.09
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OFB: Sooner than that. I don't have a link yet, but Air America Radio is reporting that John Kerry just conceeded the election. Hate being the one to report this, hate having to report this. Way too early. Way too early. Count the fucking votes.

EDIT: Confirmation. Fuck you, Kerry.


This "concession" comes as a shock to me, but not really...given their track record (all "right" /"left" views aside, the DNC (and voters) knew (or should have known) what they were getting with these two...)

"John Kerry and I have made a promise to the American people that with this election every vote would count and every vote would be counted. Tonight we are keeping our word and we will fight for every vote," Edwards, a North Carolina senator, said.

- John Edwards, last night

FROM AP: Kerry ended his quest, concluding one of the most expensive and bitterly contested races on record, with a call to the president shortly after 11 a.m. EST, according to two officials familiar with the conversation.

"Congratulations, Mr. President,"

- John Kerry, today

One last FLIP, then FLOP!

FLEA

(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 3.11.04 1139)
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#43 Posted on 3.11.04 1042.54
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Hillary or Obama? Maybe I feel America still has too much of the old cowboy mentality but is it really ready for a black man or a woman to lead the country?
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#44 Posted on 3.11.04 1055.21
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FUCK YOU, JOHN KERRY! I really thought he could have won it.

Question, though: why concede if all the votes aren't counted? I mean, what are the odds that the votes that AREN'T counted would have been in Kerry's favour? For that matter, what does 'conceding the election' really entail? Is it just merely symbolic, or just an admission that he knows he lost?

My mom's not gonna be happy...cuz she lives in the US and hates Bush.

(edited by SOK on 3.11.04 0956)
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#45 Posted on 3.11.04 1119.25
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    Originally posted by spf
    I just remember looking around my apartment at about 2 am...watching a gay friend basically be told "the problem in this country isn't millions of people in poverty, tens of millions of people without health care, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead in a dubious war...No, the problem is YOU KISS BOYS! YOU'RE KILLING AMERICA!" Watching my roommate, a 21 yr old girl who like between 1 in 5 and 1 in 3 women in this country suffered through a sexual assault, knowing that should it happen again, the odds are by the time the next election rolls around that if she should be impregnated during the process, she gets to be a mommy. Watching a friend who teaches high school, dealing with the cutbacks caused by No Child Left Behind, wondering if the creative writing and theatre classes she teaches will be cut for not being useful enough. And then I looked at myself...thinking about the endless war, the sea of despots waiting in the middle east for the firm hand of American democracy to come wash them away, and wondering how long it will be before someone politely requests I serve my country with a gun in my hand.

    At this point the Democrats only hope is basically abandoning any pretense of social concerns. Work with the GOP over the next four years to pass amendments to the US Constitution banning gay marriage, flag burning, abortion, sex education, protecting school prayer, money to faith-based organizations. The only hope for the Democrats now is to pretty much let the GOP win on every single social issue, and hope like hell that once the Xian right gets everything they want, that they can start to make the elections about the economy instead of the always ambiguous "moral issues". Because the GOP has just kicked the crap out of them all around the country. As supporting a woman's right to choose and a child's right not to be indoctrinated into Christianity in the public schools has for apparently a majority of the country become tantamount to heresy, the Dems are pretty well fucked to where I can't imagine them winning another national election in the next 20-32 years.

    Think there's any chance Canada would offer disgrunted Kerry voters amnesty to come live there? I think it would be kind of funny to see 40 million of us just leave en masse
    (edited by spf on 3.11.04 0938)


Easy, man, you're way too pessimistic. I know you usually come down hard on conservatives but, really, you've just got to chill. Just give yourself some time to cool-off and I'm sure you'll see it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.

(edited by ScreamingHeadGuy on 3.11.04 1127)
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#46 Posted on 3.11.04 1134.27
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#47 Posted on 3.11.04 1151.57
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Even if you wanted Kerry to win, did you really want another election where it was about the lawyers instead of the people? Kerry knew he wasn't going to win due to the provisionals and did something respectable and ended this before it alienated people.
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#48 Posted on 3.11.04 1152.58
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    Originally posted by SOK
    Question, though: why concede if all the votes aren't counted? I mean, what are the odds that the votes that AREN'T counted would have been in Kerry's favour?
Well, when the number of votes you are losing by tends to be more than the number of outstanding votes, that's a pretty good idea its time to hang them up.

I really don't understand what Kerry did wrong. This is the same party that demand Bush concede right after the 2000 election...

For once, Kerry is trying to put the country first instead of himself. What is the likelihood that every provisional vote would go to Kerry? Zero.

Turn out the lights. The Republican Rout of 2004 has happened, and I don't think anybody saw it coming.
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#49 Posted on 3.11.04 1155.59
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Would it be fair to say, that at least for the next couple of elections, that whoever takes two of FL/OH/PA will win the election?
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#50 Posted on 3.11.04 1157.35
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    For once, Kerry is trying to put the country first instead of himself. What is the likelihood that every provisional vote would go to Kerry? Zero.


Yes, but there was a decent chance that they'd have gotten him within 1%, and when that happens, a statewide manual recount is necessary. And perhaps that could have changed things. Perhaps not. But, I'm still naive enough to think it matters.
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#51 Posted on 3.11.04 1158.41
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Routs don't happen when the popular vote is so close. This country is extremely divided, a lot of people are very angry, and I hope the Republicans remember how many people in this country don't agree with their policies.

For one, the majority of the people in this country support preserving our wild areas.
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#52 Posted on 3.11.04 1159.35
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    Would it be fair to say, that at least for the next couple of elections, that whoever takes two of FL/OH/PA will win the election?


I think what the last few elections have shown us, is that for the Democrats to have a real chance at the White House, they will have to run a Southern Democrat (see: Carter, Clinton). If they could turn a couple of the southern reds to blue, then FL/OH/PA won't be as big a deal.
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#53 Posted on 3.11.04 1210.00
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    Originally posted by spf
    Watching a friend who teaches high school, dealing with the cutbacks caused by No Child Left Behind, wondering if the creative writing and theatre classes she teaches will be cut for not being useful enough.


I really hope this gets fixed. NCLB was my biggest election issue, because it's killing a lot of our schools (at least the ones I've been in). I can't imagine that anybody wanted the system to work the way it has (or, to be more precise, hasn't).
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#54 Posted on 3.11.04 1212.12
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"The Republican Rout of 2004 has happened, and I don't think anybody saw it coming."

I REALLY think you should look up the word "rout" in the dictionary. It's not usually used to describe a 47/53 split.
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#55 Posted on 3.11.04 1213.11
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Yes, but there was a decent chance that they'd have gotten him within 1%, and when that happens, a statewide manual recount is necessary. And perhaps that could have changed things. Perhaps not. But, I'm still naive enough to think it matters.
..except (as ges7184 correctly pointed out earlier) the margin has to be within 0.25%, not 1%.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/procedures_recount_os.html#3515011

    3515.011 Recount when winning margin less than one-half per cent of total vote

    If the number of votes cast in any county or municipal election for the declared winning nominee, candidate, question, or issue does not exceed the number of votes cast for the declared defeated nominee, candidate, question, or issue by a margin of one-half of one per cent or more of the total vote, the appropriate board of elections shall order a recount which shall be conducted as provided in sections 3515.04 and 3515.05 of the Revised Code.

    If the number of votes cast in any district election for the declared winning nominee, candidate, question, or issue does not exceed the number of votes cast for the declared defeated nominee, candidate, question, or issue by a margin of one-half of one per cent or more of the total vote, the secretary of state shall order a recount which shall be conducted as provided in sections 3515.04 and 3515.05 of the Revised Code.

    If the number of votes cast in any statewide election for the declared winning nominee, candidate, question, or issue does not exceed the number of votes cast for the declared defeated nominee, candidate, question, or issue by a margin of one-fourth of one per cent or more of the total vote, the secretary of state shall order a recount which shall be conducted as provided in sections 3515.04 and 3515.05 of the Revised Code.


http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/SingleRaceSummary.aspx?race=PP

    Precincts Reporting: 100.00%
    Office Candidate Party Votes % Of Votes
    President/Vice President
    Bush, George W. Republican 2,796,147 51.01%
    Kerry, John F. Democratic 2,659,664 48.52%
    Badnarik, Michael 14,331 0.26%
    Peroutka, Michael Anthony 11,614 0.21%
    Cobb, David Keith-WI 24 0.00%
    Schriner, Joe -WI 14 0.00%
    Duncan, Richard A.-WI 5 0.00%
    Zych, Thomas F.-WI 5 0.00%
    Harris, James -WI 0 0.00%
    Parker, John T.-WI 0 0.00%
    Total Votes 5,481,804

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#56 Posted on 3.11.04 1213.59
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Good Luck trying to find a good southern democrate though.
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#57 Posted on 3.11.04 1214.06
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I really don't understand what Kerry did wrong. This is the same party that demand Bush concede right after the 2000 election...
And did he? No, he waited for things to work themselves out, just like Kerry did.
    Originally posted by Grimis
    Turn out the lights. The Republican Rout of 2004 has happened, and I don't think anybody saw it coming.

Nationally:
Bush 58,662,627 (51% total)
Kerry 55,126,581 (48% total)

Maryland (just for you, Grimis!):
Kerry 1,209,827 56%
Bush 936,505 43%

Nice "rout" there, Grimis. Glad to see that the results rendered your individual vote as meaningless. I can only hope that the Republican leadership actually sees that there are a *lot* of unhappy people and maybe try to mend their ways appropriately. Oh wait, that would be FLIP-FLOPPING.

(NOTE - By all means, every vote counts, and I am actually quite glad to see the large turnout. People need to vote, and I wish turnout would be this good for every election. I am merely remarking on the results.)

(edited by whatever on 3.11.04 1316)
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#58 Posted on 3.11.04 1219.41
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Welll to be fair, Bush now has a mandate which will force the Democrates to fall in line with the Republicans for the next two years at least. He did get over 50% of the vote and probably 290 electoral votes. However, its not the Clinton or Regan landslide of the last few years.

There is a strong divide in the country. Chris Matthews said last night, its between North and South. I don't think it will lead to an all out civil war, but to say this was a rout is kinda foolish, it reaffirmed Bush's presidency, but he still has four more years to screw it up. I just don't think there will be a healing process it will be more of a bullying process till the Democrates actually make stand. I think without Daschel they may stand a chance. He held the party back too many times against Bush. Unfortuantly with a 55-45 Senate, I don't think it will come. My hope is that McCain does something, they hinted a 2008 run, but we will see.
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#59 Posted on 3.11.04 1235.26
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    It'll probably be a bit too early for Obama to run next time, but boy would I love to see a Dean/Obama ticket.


I would LOVE to see an eventual Howard Dean/Barack Obama ticket. The charisma of Dean, and the articulateness of Obama. Obama may be the coolest political figure I've seen in YEARS, and I'm Canadian...which means every damn politician is a different version of the same guy.
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#60 Posted on 3.11.04 1245.27
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After agonizing over it for quite while, I ended up supporting Kerry, so I'm a little more winded after this whole shebang.

All I can really say is this: while Bush was by no means am easy candidate to topple, given the political situation, I would wager that had the Democrats approached this election with a MODICUM of political strategy or wit, Bush would've been the closest thing to a softball they've had since Bob Dole.

Maybe I'm just bitter, but I'm kinda left with a feeling of "if the Democrats couldn't pull a successful campaign out of this one, they don't DESERVE the White House."
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