#1 Posted on 30.10.04 1025.57 Reposted on: 30.10.11 1026.38
You know, I was firmly in the "Jon Stewart" camp in this feud (I also backed Lindsay Lohan over Hillary Duff, Eminem over Moby, and Boogie Down Productions over the Juice Crew), but I think I"m moving. It's a combination of the cheap "bow tie" shot, and that fact that Tucker is actually calling the election for Kerry, and for Dem gains in the House and Senate
My respect grows not because I hope his predictions come true, but because in this day of talking head shills (check out Ann Coulter Or Wonkette's predictions), the guy is actually calling what he honestly thinks will happen, not what just what he hopes will happen. A level of Intellectual Honesty that answers Stewart's criticisms much more effectively than his weak ad hominum defence on Crossfire.
#2 Posted on 30.10.04 1122.43 Reposted on: 30.10.11 1122.58
Maybe Tucker realizes that his run-in with Stewart has put a bit of the spotlight on him, and he's decided to run with it. And of course, the only way to run with it is to break out of the mold - which is just what Jon was saying was needed.
#3 Posted on 30.10.04 1244.55 Reposted on: 30.10.11 1245.32
To be fair to Carlson, I do recall an article he wrote for Esquire about three months back where he talked about his problems with the Bush presidency. So he's not making his picks for posturing reasons.
However, Stewart's comment about the bow tie is fair-Carlson is a player in political theatre, and the bow tie gets him some recognition.
Since last post: 3954 days Last activity: 3954 days
#4 Posted on 30.10.04 1246.14 Reposted on: 30.10.11 1246.16
If you look back on some of Tucker's comments, he is not really fully behind the entire Bush campaign. He does shock him he said Kerry will win, but lately the media must know something, becuase that seems the general vibe this week. I don't know how the Bin Laden tape will factor into things, because there are two sides of the argument. The Bush one is that look, you still need us to defend the country from people like him and not going totally liberal. The Kerry side will go look its been three years and he is still mocking us. It shows Bush is more concerned about Iraqi than beating Bin Laden. Either case can be made, but Kerry has been the one harping on Bin Laden, so we will see.
Jon is right on calling them out on their "knee-jerk sound bites" and not adding to anything for public debate. To be fair, Jon wasn't talking just about Crossfire. There is Hardball, O'Reilly Factor and the rest of ilke. Carlson could be doing it just to say, hey I'm not a Repbulican stooge. It does help his crediablity and he needs right now.
#5 Posted on 30.10.04 1554.05 Reposted on: 30.10.11 1555.05
I think Stewart's main problem was with the concept of the show, not really with the hosts themselves....well, he did call them all pricks, but hey. There are plenty of smart people forced into square pegs just to fit into the TV soundbite format. For a non-political example, look at Roger Ebert. His articles and essays about the cinema are brilliant, but on his show he's forced to condense everything into short answers since he and Roeper are plugging 5-6 movies per show.
#6 Posted on 31.10.04 0923.57 Reposted on: 31.10.11 0926.05
I've actually been grudgingly getting to like Carlson myself. Most of that is due to his show on PBS (Tucker Carlson Unfiltered, I think it's called). It airs Friday nights at ten 'round here. While he's often reduced to shouting matches with Begala on Crossfire, he's reasonable, witty and generally much more likeable and intelligent on his own show. That's not to say it's a conservative shill show, as he tends to have guests of mixed views on. Tucker gets some respect from me largely because, while conservative, he isn't a moralistic Bible thumper like a lot of neo-cons. He seems to be more of the classical, economic conservative. Y'know, the kind that can respectfully disagree with my opinions on how to run the country without feeling the need to damn me to hell for 'em. My wife even thinks he'd be cute if he'd get a real haircut and wardrobe. :)
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: New Bin Laden video puts slight damper on Bush finding him before the Elections. Next thread: Download Fahrenheit 9/11 free Previous thread: 3 UN Election officials taken hostage in Afghanistan