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#21 Posted on 29.10.04 1032.03
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There are a lot of stereotypes being thrown around in this thread, and maybe I threw some in there, too. I think spf summed up brilliantly what it's like to se a White Sox fan. I agree that the incidents with the fans running onto the field twice and attacking the umpire and first base coach were horrible, but that could have happened anywhere. It's 3 idiots out of 2-3 million people who have attended Sox games the last 2 years. Not a representative sample of White Sox fans everywhere.

So, some members of the Sox allegedly (remember, they were never convicted of anything) threw the World Series 85 years ago, so the Sox don't deserve it now? Isn't that like saying "I don't like Germans, because 60 years ago the Nazis were in power and in World War II." Haven't we gotten past the Black Sox yet? It was 85 years ago! None of the players were born yet, I highly doubt any of the front office or staff were born yet, and the number of fans who remember it have to be dwindling.

As for Reinsdorf, no one likes him, especially here in Chicago. He runs his team in the 4th largest city in America like we are in Bismarck, ND (no offense). Small payroll, just finally started fixing up he crappy stadium he built. Right now, he's pushing out home-grown superstar Magglio Ordonez and spinning it like it's Maggs' fault. This doesn't even begin to mention what he did to the Bulls, who had probably 2-3 more championships in them.

My final point is on the attendance issue. I think the strike really, really hurt the Sox. Before the strike, the White Sox were top 5 in the AL in attendance since building the new park. Plus, the Sox were at their best those years, winning the West in '93 and in first place in '94. Reinsdorf was such a big part of causing the strike, then screwed up a lot of things with Albert Belle, and the fans saw it. And they stayed away. I think now, finally, the fans are starting to come back. I went to 4 Sox games this summer. 3 of them were sold out, none of them against the Cubs. The fans see the great changes in the park, see a team that is contending almost to the end, and are starting to come back. There have been some very valid points brought up in this thread, but also some ridiculous stereotypes that are just untrue.
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#22 Posted on 29.10.04 1035.44
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Just remember, organizations win championships, not players.
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#23 Posted on 31.10.04 0107.25
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Is it my imagination, or is everyone having a competition over who roots for the worst team? Isn't it usually the other way around?

And regarding the Bulls' breakup, I don't think there's any way the Bulls had 2 or 3 more championships left in them-- not unless they managed to acquire some younger players to go along with their aging veterans. Could they have won in '99? Possibly. 2000? No way. I don't think they would've gotten past the Pacers in '00, and even if they had, no way they'd have beaten the Lakers.

But then, this thread's about baseball, so I'll leave the basketball talk alone now. In any case, I do kinda sympathize... must be damned frustrating for fans of hundred-year-old teams to go generations without winning a World Series while the Marlins have won two and the Diamondbacks won one as well.
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#24 Posted on 31.10.04 0237.24
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I went to the Old Comiskey in 89 and saw the A's smash the Sox. While there I saw two people puke from drinking and a three woman brawl that ended up rolling all the way from the top row of the upper deck (where I was sitting, directly behind home plate) to the bottom gaurd rail.

CLASS organization all the way! NOT.
Besides, any teamt that would make thier players wear butterfly collars AND shorts, doesnt deserve to win jack.

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#25 Posted on 31.10.04 1201.37
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I went to the Old Comiskey in 89 and saw the A's smash the Sox. While there I saw two people puke from drinking and a three woman brawl that ended up rolling all the way from the top row of the upper deck (where I was sitting, directly behind home plate) to the bottom gaurd rail.

    CLASS organization all the way! NOT.
    Besides, any teamt that would make thier players wear butterfly collars AND shorts, doesnt deserve to win jack.



Funny, I've been to 200 or so White Sox games and never had occasion to get into a fight, but in my 10 trips to Wrigley I've had 1 full-scale brawl, and 3 cases of guys trying to goad me into fighting them. I'll grant the Sox drew a hard-edged fan base in the old days, but nowadays the place tends to be more mellow except when they're in the thick of things, then it can get a bit different. It kind of reminds me of going to an ECW card actually. Passionate smart fans and sometimes the more insane ones can go too far. But compared to Sodom and Gomorrah up on the North Side, it's not a bad place to go.
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#26 Posted on 31.10.04 1652.18
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And I've loved every game I ever went to in Wrigley. Perect atmosphere, got a personal greeting from Haray Caray, talked for several minutes with Jamie Moyer.

The Cubs team (outside of Mookie Wilson) was always a classy bunch, and I've always seen the fans as classy also. Until this year, but that's another story.

Regardless, Cubs and White Sox fans will never get along, so we can just leave it at that.
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#27 Posted on 1.11.04 1101.40
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I'd have to say, you can go almost anywhere and have one bad experience. Making judgments on a fan base as a whole after one game 15 years ago is probably a bit much. I've been to 50 or so Sox games and never been near a fight in the stands. I've been to about 5 Cubs games, one in which a fan stole Chad Kreuter's hat from the bullpen and the Dodgers jumped into the crowd. Do I think all Cubs fans are drunken idiots with no class? No. I won't turn this into a Cubs vs Sox thing. But stereotyping a whole fan base off one or two experiences is completely ridiculous.
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