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#1 Posted on 28.10.04 0212.10
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Read more about it here: http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/10/27/ap1613048.html

    Originally posted by Forbes
    Sony Corp. defied widespread expectations on Wednesday, announcing a price more fitting of a video-game machine than a slick movie-playing gadget for its new PlayStation Portable - 19,800 yen (US$186; euro 145).


    Originally posted by Forbes
    Nintendo, based in Kyoto, has already announced that the Nintendo DS, a revamped Game Boy Advance with two screens, will go on sale for US$150 in the United States Nov. 21, arriving in time for Christmas, and 15,000 yen (US$140; euro 110) in Japan on Dec. 2.


I had been hearing a much higher estimate for the PSP, so this is good news of a sort. What has me worried is that the article mentions that the movie format is not yet set, and download services are not yet established.

I'm not sure how they can price this already if they don't know what kind of video codec they are going to have to decode. Not knowing what the format is means that they don't have the DRM (Digital Rights Management) set up yet either. Sony has seemed to be on the side of restrictive DRM in the past, so this is an area that I'm watching before getting the PSP.

If it plays back movies that I can encode with a free codec, it will be a lot more interesting to me. I don't want to have a portable video player that is less functional than my laptop - so hopefully I can do my own recordings from TV and divx encode them (or equivalent) rather than having to buy all of my content.

If I could encode TV shows off of my DVR that would be a huge bonus for me. I always have a ton of stuff to watch but not enough time - and there are always down times at work where it would be great to have 22 minutes of Adult Swim to watch. If I eat at the cafeteria at work I'm almost always trying to kill 30 minutes of my lunch break.
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#2 Posted on 28.10.04 0938.49
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I'm really scratching my head as to how the DS-PSP war will turn out.

For the most part, no one ever goes broke betting on Nintendo to dominate the portable industry, even against technologically superior competition (the Game Gear, the Lynx, the TurboExpress, the Nomad, and the NeoGeo Pockets all made the Game Boy, GB Pocket and GB Color look sick, yet the GB line destroyed all of them). The DS is cheaper than the PSP, hits American shores first and in time for Xmas, and will have the usual first-party franchises as killer apps. Sounds like game, set and match.

On the other hand, the PSP looks like a nifty piece of hardware. No region coding on games (a dramatic switch for Sony), a lot of power, a nice-looking screen, and it's coming at a surprisingly low price compared to initial expectations... this is no N-Gage.

The catch is that I'm not seeing anything on the PSP's game development list that really leaps out at me, huge titles to counteract Nintendo's cash cows like Metroid, Pokemon and Mario. I mean, I'd buy a portable Dynasty Warriors in a heartbeat, but is that enough? Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone?
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#3 Posted on 28.10.04 1052.06
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For me, the DS/PSP war all boils to the fact that the DS has Animal Crossing DS while the PSP has terrible battery life...


    From IGN:
    "PSP features an integrated high output lithium-ion battery that provides a play time of between 4 and 6 hours for game titles and continuous 4 to 5 hours for video viewing." These numbers, according to SCE, were determined with the system's luminance set to maximum (180 cd/m2) and minimum (80 cd/m2), volume set to half the maximum level, headphones used instead of speakers and wireless LAN not in use (note that the maximum luminance value rises to 200 cd/m2 when playing through AC power).



So, basically, the PSP can last 6 hours, but only if I turn down the screen brightness, keep the volume down, use headphones, and don't use LAN. =|
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#4 Posted on 28.10.04 1143.49
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I smell "El Nintendo FanBoy"



It's all a matter of what people want and looking for.

Nintendo is pushing the DS as a gaming only unit, and Sony is pushing the PSP as multi media unit. Of course battery life, etc will vary upon what functions will be used on the PSP or any device for that matter. Consumers will choose based upon what they want that device to do, and not base a purchase solely on battery life etc. Thats stupid. "I'm going to get a DS because the battery lasts longer and only plays games, even though the PSP plays games, movies and music and battery doesn't last as long doing more functions."

If anyone actually believes or says that slap them, and oh hell kill them. Stupid thinking like that is the reason we have so many idiots in this world.

Also...reguardless of what format the video, audio will be on the PSP, does it really matter since we will be able to convert the various media types into PSP media type anyway?

(edited by LanceJr on 28.10.04 0944)
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#5 Posted on 28.10.04 1300.14
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Can you quote somewhere that says that we will be able to do that (convert audio/video into the format)? I'm just saying, Sony has a history of supporting DRM - they may only allow DRM'd files (read: store bought) to play on the unit - and if they do, you're going to be pissed.

I'm sure this unit will support the music sold by the Sony Online music store, and I'm sure I'll be able to buy Sony brand movies to play on it - but will I be able to tape South Park and watch it at lunch? I assume this will use some sort of disc as the media - will it be a format I can burn on my DVD burner, or will it be proprietary (Dreamcast, Gamecube)? Odds are it will be proprietary since that seems to curb piracy.

I'm speculating here. I haven't done much more research on the PSP other than reading the E3 issue of Game Informer - so maybe these issues have all been answered elsewhere.
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#6 Posted on 28.10.04 1331.36
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Ask and thee shall receive...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/14/news_6110555.html
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#7 Posted on 28.10.04 1346.12
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I'm sure this unit will support the music sold by the Sony Online music store, and I'm sure I'll be able to buy Sony brand movies to play on it - but will I be able to tape South Park and watch it at lunch? I assume this will use some sort of disc as the media - will it be a format I can burn on my DVD burner, or will it be proprietary (Dreamcast, Gamecube)? Odds are it will be proprietary since that seems to curb piracy.


Coming from IGN:
* The "main" media format for the PSP is called a Universal Media Disc (UMD). It's similar to a mini-disc (disc housed inside a small cartridge), holds up to 1.8GB, and is non-writable. Sony intends to press all UMDs themselves, i.e. nobody's going to get their hands on compatible blanks or recorders any time soon.

* The "memory card" media format is Memory Stick Pro Duo. You should be able to store video and audio files on those, but large memory sticks can get expensive.

So if you can (a) convert South Park from tape to a digital format, (b) convert that file into the proper video format and (c) copy the end result to a sufficiently large Memory Stick, you should be able to watch it. In theory.

People won't buy or shun a console solely over battery life, but it is a consideration. One of the reasons that I love my NeoGeo Pocket Color is that it goes forever on two AAs; likewise, one of the reasons that the Nomad flopped was that it had a well-earned reputation for sucking batteries dry at warp speed.

As for Animal Crossing, I could care less, but I know people who'll buy it just for that. I'll ask again -- is there an early A-list PSP title that's going to have people yelling "YES! I MUST have the PSP for that game!" and storming the stores?

(edited by vsp on 28.10.04 1149)
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#8 Posted on 28.10.04 1436.42
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    Originally posted by vsp
    likewise, one of the reasons that the Nomad flopped was that it had a well-earned reputation for sucking batteries dry at warp speed.



That thing didn't even have a built-on battery thing... I think you had to buy an add-on.
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#9 Posted on 28.10.04 1444.59
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    Originally posted by vsp
    is there an early A-list PSP title that's going to have people yelling "YES! I MUST have the PSP for that game!" and storming the stores?


Well, that WAS supposed to be "Metal Gear: Acid", until people found out that it was going to be a *snicker* card battle game ...

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#10 Posted on 28.10.04 1517.37
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With the Nomad you have to buy a battery accessory kit to attach to the back of the unit (huh, huh, unit) and throw in 4 AA batteries. The thing even made the unit(huh, huh, unit) bigger. Basically I referred to it exactly what it was a pocket sized Genesis. I mean they gave you the exact same AC adapter and could use the "new" Genesis2 RF switch to hook it up to a TV using the Nomad itself as the 1st controller, and plug in the 2nd to the unit (huh, huh, unit).

Remember when Sega redesigned the Genesis and the older AC adapters and RF switches weren't compatible...that totally sucked since I was managing a Funcoland at the time and trying to explain the differences to the idiots. People still are stupid as they were back then.

"Can I use my old PS2 games in the new PS2? When it comes out I can play PS3 games on it too right?"

Seriously, a grown man asked those questions when I was at Best Buy the other day. I looked at the clerk we both had this shocked look on our face, I have to hand it to him he with a straight face said yes to the obvious PS2 game question and said no to the PS3 question. While I on the other hand called the man a moron, and laughed while I picked up my GTA:SA. Hope I see the same guy when I'm working next week (I work PT at BB for the discount)
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#11 Posted on 28.10.04 1529.22
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    Originally posted by LanceJr
    I smell "El Nintendo FanBoy"



    It's all a matter of what people want and looking for.

    Nintendo is pushing the DS as a gaming only unit, and Sony is pushing the PSP as multi media unit. Of course battery life, etc will vary upon what functions will be used on the PSP or any device for that matter. Consumers will choose based upon what they want that device to do, and not base a purchase solely on battery life etc. Thats stupid. "I'm going to get a DS because the battery lasts longer and only plays games, even though the PSP plays games, movies and music and battery doesn't last as long doing more functions."

    If anyone actually believes or says that slap them, and oh hell kill them. Stupid thinking like that is the reason we have so many idiots in this world.

    Also...reguardless of what format the video, audio will be on the PSP, does it really matter since we will be able to convert the various media types into PSP media type anyway?

    (edited by LanceJr on 28.10.04 0944)


Way to be utterly ridiculous. The whole point of a portable (for me) would to be to take it on the road with me. Where's the functionality if I can only watch two movies on the thing and then it's dead? And then once I watched those two movies, I can no longer play my games or listen to my music that I have stored on the PSP... so now I'm SOL unless I brought my Gameboy and my CD player (and CDs) along with me.
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#12 Posted on 28.10.04 1605.55
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    Originally posted by LanceJr
    I smell "El Nintendo FanBoy"

    It's all a matter of what people want and looking for.

    Nintendo is pushing the DS as a gaming only unit, and Sony is pushing the PSP as multi media unit. Of course battery life, etc will vary upon what functions will be used on the PSP or any device for that matter. Consumers will choose based upon what they want that device to do, and not base a purchase solely on battery life etc. Thats stupid. "I'm going to get a DS because the battery lasts longer and only plays games, even though the PSP plays games, movies and music and battery doesn't last as long doing more functions."

    If anyone actually believes or says that slap them, and oh hell kill them. Stupid thinking like that is the reason we have so many idiots in this world.


Damn, you found me out.

In all seriousness, due to cruddy planning I have a 5 hour break between my classes every Thursday. With the PSP there's a good chance I'd have to bring an extra battery with me if I wanted to play a game the entire time I was at school. That's not cool.
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#13 Posted on 28.10.04 1610.48
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    Originally posted by LanceJr
    People still are stupid as they were back then.

    "Can I use my old PS2 games in the new PS2? When it comes out I can play PS3 games on it too right?"

    Seriously, a grown man asked those questions when I was at Best Buy the other day. I looked at the clerk we both had this shocked look on our face, I have to hand it to him he with a straight face said yes to the obvious PS2 game question


Well I hope you had fun laughing, but there are things (ps2.ign.com) or other things (gamespot.com) that you can't use/play on the new PS 2 that you could play on the old PS 2.
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#14 Posted on 29.10.04 1205.03
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    Originally posted by SirBubNorm
    Well I hope you had fun laughing, but there are things (ps2.ign.com) or other things (gamespot.com) that you can't use/play on the new PS 2 that you could play on the old PS 2.



What the hell are you talking about? Both those links are announcements of the well known redesigned PS2.

The general questions of "Can an older PS2 game play on the new PS2 and can when the PS3 games on a PS2" are idiotic.
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#15 Posted on 29.10.04 1224.27
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    Originally posted by LanceJr
    What the hell are you talking about? Both those links are announcements of the well known redesigned PS2.


From the first link:
    Originally posted by IGN
    What's particularly interesting about the new SCPH-70000, however, is that it cannot use the Hard Drive (HDD) needed for games such as Final Fantasy XI, and well, Final Fantasy Xi's expansion packs. It has also been confirmed that some software will not be compatible with the new unit, but what those titles are have not been revealed.


From the second link:
    Originally posted by GameSpot
    The loss of the expansion bay eliminates support for the 40GB internal hard disk drive and the PlayStation 2 Network Adaptor. Networking functionality will still be available because Sony has integrated the Ethernet and modem network adapter into the new system, but Final Fantasy XI fans and other HDD users will need to stick with the older, Vana'diel-friendly PS2 system.
    ...
    Unfortunately, older (SCPH-10090) Multitap adapters are not compatible with the new PS2 because the memory-card and controller-port placements don't match the port layouts on the older system. Sony has released a new Multitap model (SCPH-70120) to address the problem.


Shorter version: If the Best Buy customer is a FFXI player, he asked an important question. You can still laugh at him for buying his games at Best Buy, though.
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#16 Posted on 29.10.04 1239.54
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OK, well my mistake. I left out the part to where the clerk said the redesigned PS2 does not support HDD. And trust me he wasn't asking the question in reference to the ONE game Final Fantasy.

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#17 Posted on 29.10.04 1619.35
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    Originally posted by IGN
    What's particularly interesting about the new SCPH-70000, however, is that it cannot use the Hard Drive (HDD) needed for games such as Final Fantasy XI, and well, Final Fantasy Xi's expansion packs. It has also been confirmed that some software will not be compatible with the new unit, but what those titles are have not been revealed.


I'd be interested to know what it is about that new system that would make those games incompatible?

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#18 Posted on 31.10.04 0959.33
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"Sony intends to press all UMDs themselves, i.e. nobody's going to get their hands on compatible blanks or recorders any time soon."

Hasn't this always been on of the big knocks against Nintendo as it related to third party development? I can see alot of third party developers getting into hissy fits because they wont have any other options for pressing and distribution.


"I'd be interested to know what it is about that new system that would make those games incompatible?"

I'm almost sure at this point that these game sites are mindlessly posting this information without thinking about it.
Yes there are some games that are not playable on the new model. More than likely they are only the games that require the hard drive to function. I'm sure if any other games were effected sony would have already released a list telling us just what games and why.


(edited by bubblesthechimp on 31.10.04 1103)
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#19 Posted on 31.10.04 1109.50
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    Originally posted by bubblesthechimp
    Hasn't this always been on of the big knocks against Nintendo as it related to third party development?


Yup. It's one of the reasons why N64 carts were sky-high expensive when the system first debuted, for example.


    Yes there are some games that are not playable on the new model. More than likely they are only the games that require the hard drive to function. I'm sure if any other games were effected sony would have already released a list telling us just what games and why.


I know that there are a double handful of PS1 games that don't work on the original PS2, as the emulation is almost but not quite exact. Chocobo's Dungeon 2, for instance, is oft quoted as crashing at a certain point.

Apart from that...

There's an old and great story about a mysterious switch in the MIT AI lab's PDP-10 system, seemingly disconnected due to only one wire running to it, but which would crash the computer if it was flipped from "More Magic" to "Magic" and no one could figure out why.

When redesigning hardware, this sort of thing happens from time to time. Even extremely minor changes can sometimes affect games that bang on the hardware in a nonstandard or unorthodox way.
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