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#21 Posted on 25.10.04 2319.59
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Eddie Famous' theory flies in the face of OldFuzzy Bastard's post from Ruthless Review. Either way, he had a terrible run as President. Its amazing what you learn on this site.

Also, CRZ like Shawn Michaels said to the Montreal fans when they chanted, You Screwed Bret. What is your point? If you don't like what I think about the forum too bad. Its my opinion on it. Actually, the InsidePulse forum agreed that Widro doesn't want a political forum, becuse it does lead to trolling and all such of crap. I don't think the rest have this problem. The political forums are always going to have this problem and it doesn't help make it look fair when the creator of the site goes out of his way to dig dirt on the members, because they have negative opinion about one of the tweleve forums on this board. I also don't know why you just didn't personal message me about it if it was that much of a problem for you. Instead you decided to bring it up in a thread that has nothing to do with any of this. I know you'll probably delete this and you should, because honestly both our posts are pointless to this thread.
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#22 Posted on 26.10.04 1132.33
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I agree it's too early to historically call George W. Bush the Worst President Ever. It certainly looks like he's going to be down there, but we can't look at his one term in enough of a historical context to truly realize how destructive it's going to be.

    Well, as long as you're going to keep an open mind about it, that's all anyone can ask!


That's the joke!
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#23 Posted on 26.10.04 1519.40
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Which president was it that refused to wear a coat then walked to his inaugeration, caught a horrible cold and died because of it? I can't remember now, but that right there should say how bad he was.

I vote for him.
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#24 Posted on 26.10.04 1524.12
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Which president was it that refused to wear a coat then walked to his inaugeration, caught a horrible cold and died because of it? I can't remember now, but that right there should say how bad he was.

    I vote for him.


That would be our beloved ninth president, William Henry Harrison.

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#25 Posted on 26.10.04 1534.07
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    Originally posted by bash91
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      Which president was it that refused to wear a coat then walked to his inaugeration, caught a horrible cold and died because of it? I can't remember now, but that right there should say how bad he was.

      I vote for him.


    That would be our beloved ninth president, William Henry Harrison.

    Tim


Ah yes, I'm sure that day both his advisors and common sense said to wear a coat and he in his firm and forward leadership said that he had made the decision to NOT wear the coat and that he was going forward with that no matter what, refusing to admit that it was poor planning and in fact new information had presented itself in that it had started snowing. And then because of these decisions, he got pneumonia and died.

This is in no way an analogy to anything more recent, nosiree Bob.
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#26 Posted on 26.10.04 1545.06
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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by bash91
        Originally posted by Cerebus
        Which president was it that refused to wear a coat then walked to his inaugeration, caught a horrible cold and died because of it? I can't remember now, but that right there should say how bad he was.

        I vote for him.


      That would be our beloved ninth president, William Henry Harrison.

      Tim


    Ah yes, I'm sure that day both his advisors and common sense said to wear a coat and he in his firm and forward leadership said that he had made the decision to NOT wear the coat and that he was going forward with that no matter what, refusing to admit that it was poor planning and in fact new information had presented itself in that it had started snowing. And then because of these decisions, he got pneumonia and died.

    This is in no way an analogy to anything more recent, nosiree Bob.
Congratulations - that's the stupidest thing I've read today.
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#27 Posted on 26.10.04 1645.10
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I'm still struggling with the fact that people can consider George W Bush the worst president EVER, when just a week away from election day, it looks like he'll be getting reelected, or at tht every least, losing very narrowly in the electoral college. Boy is that ever an indictment of half of the country.



Originally I would agree with you, but a thought occured to me that it may be more of an indictment of the Republican Party. If Bush had to fight his way through another primary, who's to say that every conservative in the country would've supported him? Of course, if Bush had to justify himself to his own party and the conservatives of America it may have severely weakened him in the actual election... which is why they didn't do it.

Man, the Dems and the Reps make me so mad.

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#28 Posted on 27.10.04 0733.02
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Congratulations - that's the stupidest thing I've read today.


I posted that on a dare, so I'm offended by that statement, Zed.

As in: just the stupidest thing TODAY?

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#29 Posted on 29.10.04 0927.29
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http://www.ggower.com/dief/text/maclean2.shtml

For the Canadians: Here's a link to a Maclean's article from 1997 categorizing the best and worst Prime Ministers and describing what they did and didn't do. From this and other research I've done, I'd go with Bowell as the worst, mainly because of said personality.

For a quick reference, here's the rankings, done via survey of, what Maclean's felt, was a credible group of Canadian historians:

THE RANKING
Great:
1.William Lyon Mackenzie King
2. Sir John A. Macdonald
3. Sir Wilfrid Laurier

Near-Great:
4. Louis Saint-Laurent

High-Average:
5. Pierre Elliott Trudeau
6. Lester Pearson
7. Sir Robert Borden

Average:
8. Brian Mulroney
9. Jean Chrtien
10. Sir John Thompson
11. Alexander Mackenzie
12. R.B. Bennett
13. John Diefenbaker

Low-Average:
14. Arthur Meighen
15. Joe Clark

Failure:
16. Sir Charles Tupper
17. Sir John Abbott
18. John Turner
19. Sir Mackenzie Bowell
20. Kim Campbell

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#30 Posted on 29.10.04 1819.58
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Mulroney as average? Wasn't he so awful, he was basically responsible for the complete collapse of his entire political party?
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#31 Posted on 29.10.04 1903.39
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Mulroney as average? Wasn't he so awful, he was basically responsible for the complete collapse of his entire political party?


Yes he ran off the Red Torries (socially progressive, economically conservative) in favour of the Blue Torries (socially and economically conservative). We've had a Liberal government ever since.

Mulroney's big things were the GST, the FTA and NAFTA.

His big downfall came with his handling of Quebec. He wanted to institute the Meech Lake Accord which, among other things, would declare Quebec a distinct society and give them a constitutional veto. It was defeated as was a second Charlottetown Accord. This sparked an increase in the Quebece seperatist movement.

By the end, he had divided his party so much that the Western PC's left to join the Reform Party and the Quebec PC's left for the Bloc Quebecois.

Mulroney's rating probably depends on your view of NAFTA more then anything else. It increased trade but it also greatly increased Canada's dependency on the American economy.
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#32 Posted on 31.10.04 1700.06
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Is it really fair to paint Campbell as the worst ever? I mean, look at whom she came in after! Mulroney KILLED the PC party, and, effectively, the government. I'm certain that if she came in at a different time, or under different circumstances, she could have been better. In this case, it was just a matter of WHEN.

John Turner, too...wasn't he the head of a minority government? If I remember correctly, the only man who has successfully lead a minority government, bless his soul, was Trudeau.

And I won't even get into Chretien. For all the good he may have done, his arrogance at the end of his tenure...and the missing HRCD millions, the failed gun registry, appointing Adrienne freaking Clarkson as Lieutennant Governor, and whatever else...easily puts him down toward the end of the line.

I have no faith in Canadian politics anymore.

(edited by SOK on 31.10.04 1601)
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#33 Posted on 1.11.04 2029.10
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Hey how can this get so far without Madison being mentioned? I really don't want to hear Canadian bragging but the British did burn down the Presidents house and chased him out of DC.

(edited by Dahak on 1.11.04 1829)
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#34 Posted on 1.11.04 2043.32
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I'd say John A. MacDonald or Lester B. Pearson as best Prime Minster, Mulroney as the worst. MacDonald laid the groundwork for the entire country, Pearson helped bring us to the world's forefront...and Mulroney pissed everyone off.
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#35 Posted on 1.11.04 2142.05
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    Originally posted by Mack Salmon
    I thought Nixon got us out of Vietnam...oh! From what I've read, Woodrow Wilson was one of the worst presidents that are looked on in reverence.

    Of course, do you suppose it's worse to do something bad as a president, or to essentially be ineffectual? William Henry Harrison comes to mind for the second category.


Well, considering that Harrison was dead just over a month after he took office, I don't think you can really blame him for not getting much done.

Trying to even compare Bush to some of the morons that have been president is just insane. Wilson, Hoover, Buchanan and Andrew Jackson are pretty much the lead dogs in the race for "Worst president ever."

However, if you want to make the criteria "president that had the most negative impact", then you've gotta look at Nixon. He completely destroyed the trust that Americans had always had in the office of the president. Before Nixon, people inherently believed that even if the president himself was a jackass, the office still deserved their respect and the next guy would make things better. Nixon prety much burned that to the ground.
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#36 Posted on 2.11.04 1036.54
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I can't believe no one mentioned Grant. Grant was an acknowledged alchoholic who allowed his cabinet to run the country.
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#37 Posted on 2.11.04 1059.27
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Wow - kind of like the one we got now.
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