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#1 Posted on 23.10.04 1527.58
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What do all you folks think will be the Survivor Series card?

On the Raw side I would love to see a good old fashioned triple-threat match? (When did they debut anyway?)
I think it would be just swell if Triple H (Heel), Randy Orton (Face) and Ric Flair (Tweener) fought for the World Heavyweight Title and Orton walked out with the belt after pinning Flair.

On the Smackdown side I think the only way they could promote a main event would be a Survivor Series match.
Angle, Jindrak, Reigns, JBL & Orlando Jordan (?) vs. Booker T, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio & Rob Van Dam. Again I would like to see the faces prevail in this match with someone pinning JBL and therefore creating a new number one contender but what does everybody else think?
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#2 Posted on 23.10.04 1550.24
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Hey what's up! With your interest in this topic, you might also be interested in reading this earlier discussion. But that stigmatized thread title would seem to indicate that this one is to become Survivor Series Card Thread Prime.

"On the Raw side I would love to see a good old fashioned triple-threat match? (When did they debut anyway?)"

Well I do believe WWF started using them in 1997. First as a gimmick for house show main events with different combinations of Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Hunter Hearst Helmsley. But those were under different rules where two guys would wrestle for five minute intervals, then another guy would rotate in, and so on until someone scored a decision. Then the current triple threat rules showed up sometime that summer.

"I think it would be just swell if Triple H (Heel), Randy Orton (Face) and Ric Flair (Tweener) fought for the World Heavyweight Title and Orton walked out with the belt after pinning Flair."

I think the idea is to keep Orton and Hunter apart in any kind of title situation until Wrestlemania, which is a shame because there were all sorts of storyline possibilities before Orton had turned doing threeways with Benoit. Threeway wrestling matches. Meltzer says there have been some ideas for now turning Flair babyface and having him go on his One Last Flair For The Gold against HHH, so it's possible. I always prefer to see them do the elimination tag matches at Survivor Series even though they don't draw, so if I got to pick that's what I'd choose. Just let Undertaker/Heidenreich draw the (lowest for SS in 10 years) buyrate.

"On the Smackdown side I think the only way they could promote a main event would be a Survivor Series match."

I agree 'cause as much as I like Booker T and think he deserves a top spot, it doesn't seem like a singles match with JBL would be a major part of a major PPV. More a feud for house shows and a TV main event.

"Angle, Jindrak, Reigns, JBL & Orlando Jordan (?) vs. Booker T, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio & Rob Van Dam."

I can't believe hypothetical Team Angle actually has more dead weight than Team Lesnar 2003 (aka Team BEEF, Cole!). But yeah, that sounds about right, except that they also started to put Chavo and Eddie back together this week. There's no one good to kick out from the face side unless they did the Booker/JBL title match or pulled Van Dam & Mysterio to win the tag titles. But having Kidman or Carlito on the heel side would be way better to give them the rub and get them in the mix of the main players instead of wasting a spot on Poorlando.

"I would like to see the faces prevail in this match with someone pinning JBL and therefore creating a new number one contender but what does everybody else think?"

I think that would be the logical finish for such a match.
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#3 Posted on 23.10.04 1550.26
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I've always wanted to see a Survivor Series match for the belt. Just announce that it would be 5 versus 5 in regular SS match elimination rules, and when one team is totally eliminated, the remaining members of the winning team then face off in a two, three, four or five-way dance for the title.
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#4 Posted on 23.10.04 1813.25
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Meltzer says there have been some ideas for now turning Flair babyface and having him go on his One Last Flair For The Gold against HHH, so it's possible.

I know this is just one fan's opinion, but not having bought a PPV since Wrestlemania, if they were to run an angle with Flair making one last shot at the title (and give me some vibe like maybe I'll see Flair get it one last time) I would be willing to plunk down the cash for it. Just like I paid to see Eddie and Benoit each win their big titles, I would drop the cash for one last time seeing Flair raise the big gold belt up. I don't care that he's old, slow, flabby. Flair is part of my growing up. As long as I've been around, Flair has been around, and I would love one last chance to pay homage. I say Flair takes the belt, holds it until WM, loses it to Orton, building to Orton/HHH at Summerslam 05. But that's just me.
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#5 Posted on 23.10.04 2149.28
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This is how I'd book Survivor Series, everything being equal.

RAW
Triple H & Batista v. Randy Orton & Ric Flair
Chris Benoit v. Edge
Shelton Benjamin v. Christian v. Chris Jericho v. Tyson Tomko v. William Regal v. Gene Snitsky in an Elimination Chamber Match for the Intercontinental Title
Trish Stratus & Molly Holly v. Victoria & Stacy Keibler

Smackdown
JBL v. Booker T for the WWE Title
Heidenreich v. The Undertaker
Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, Carlito Caribbean Cool & Billy Kidman v. Los Guerreros, The Big Show, Rob Van Dam & Rey Mysterio in a Survivor Rules Match
Kenzo Suzuki & Rene Dupree v. Rico & Charlie Haas for the WWE Tag Team Titles
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#6 Posted on 24.10.04 0456.41
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Actually those are some pretty good suggestions

"Meltzer says there have been some ideas for now turning Flair babyface and having him go on his One Last Flair For The Gold against HHH, so it's possible. "

Actually I think Flair as a full babyface would be the best option to go one on one with the game. Of course, WWE being WWE Triple H would probably walk out with the belt but it would be nice to believe at least that Flair could win the gold. I'd also add Orton and Batista in each man's corner and then maybe do that tag team main event - Batista & HHH vs. Flair & Orton - at Armageddon.

For the undercard:

Shawn Michaels vs. Edge - Grudge Match

Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Eugene, William Regal & Some other guy (who gets eliminated in the first five minutes 'cos he was just there to make up the numbers) vs. Batista, La Resistance, Christian & Tyson Tomko - This would be a decent match even though it involves Tomko. It would add some flair (no pun intended) to the main event with Orton & Batista being there and it will have all the top tag team contenders in there.

Other Raw matches:

Shelton Benjamin vs. Chris Jericho - Rematch for the Intercontinental title

Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Gail Kim, Jazz & Dawn Marie (as a special guest from Smackdown to make up the numbers) vs. Christy, Stacy Keibler, Victoria, Nidia & Torrie Wilson (again, a special guest from Smackdown to make up the numbers)

Smackdown:

That 5 Man Tag Match I mentioned before.

Chavo Guerrero vs. Carlito Carribean Cool - US Title.

Heidenreich vs. Undertaker - Hopefully this will be over quick and mercifully but where has hope got us before.

Billy Kidman vs. whoever Chavo's friend was from Smackdown! (I'm guessing Paul London to come back and get his win back from No Mercy)

Thats 8 Matches but if they needed any more they could always use something like The Dudleyz vs. Dupree & Suzuki vs. the FBI for the tag titles but that would only be a card filler like most of the matches.

So if I am right we don't exactly have a lot to look forward to.
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#7 Posted on 24.10.04 2136.45
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    Originally posted by Sam_Van_619
    Actually those are some pretty good suggestions

    "Meltzer says there have been some ideas for now turning Flair babyface and having him go on his One Last Flair For The Gold against HHH, so it's possible. "

    Actually I think Flair as a full babyface would be the best option to go one on one with the game. Of course, WWE being WWE Triple H would probably walk out with the belt but it would be nice to believe at least that Flair could win the gold.


For all the HHHaters out there this is not an endorsement but a comment..If HHH had to chase 18 titles would he do it? Or with it been a Flair/Survivor to HHH/WM21 switch the timeline to pass Flair would still be in HHHs reach?

I have posted before I think that an Orton/Flair Legend or Legend Killer match or even a Flair/Foley grudge/retirement stip match would generate more heat and viewers than a HHH v anyone match. Even if it was a HHH/Flair face turn.
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#8 Posted on 26.10.04 1542.51
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I'd go w/ Evolution (w/ say Christian and Edge vs. Orton's team (say, Benjamin, Jericho, Regal and Eugene.)
HHH has no one to really defend against.


Maybe have a Flair turn to help Orton there.


Smackdown main: JBL vs. Booker T definitely.
Booker can be rebuilt. This can be a money match.
Booker wins the belt, drops it to Angle which very nicely segues to

WM: Angle vs. UnderTaker.

Of course, that kinda sets up for Taker winning, and who wants that.
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#9 Posted on 26.10.04 1622.29
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Booker T vs. JBL will probably be saved for Armageddon. A one-on-one World Title Match will probably be saved for New Year's Revolution. Each brand has another PPV between this and the Royal Rumble, so why would they blow their money matches? People will buy the dual-brand cards based on both brands being involved.
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#10 Posted on 26.10.04 1628.43
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    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Meltzer says there have been some ideas for now turning Flair babyface and having him go on his One Last Flair For The Gold against HHH, so it's possible.

    I know this is just one fan's opinion, but not having bought a PPV since Wrestlemania, if they were to run an angle with Flair making one last shot at the title (and give me some vibe like maybe I'll see Flair get it one last time) I would be willing to plunk down the cash for it. Just like I paid to see Eddie and Benoit each win their big titles, I would drop the cash for one last time seeing Flair raise the big gold belt up. I don't care that he's old, slow, flabby. Flair is part of my growing up. As long as I've been around, Flair has been around, and I would love one last chance to pay homage. I say Flair takes the belt, holds it until WM, loses it to Orton, building to Orton/HHH at Summerslam 05. But that's just me.


Unfortunately, I doubt that you are the demographic that WWE is catering to.
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#11 Posted on 27.10.04 0232.33
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But hey what do I know. As of tonight's taping, pencil in:

Booker T vs. John Layfield for the WWE Title
Undertaker vs. Heidenreich
Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, and Rey Mysterio
vs. Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, and possibly a Dudley in an elimination match

Raw set up Orton/Jericho/Benoit/Maven against Evolution and a fourth (Edge?) but they could break off into separate programs. They also started stuff with Benjamin and Christian for the IC title and Lita and Trish for the women's title.

So far it doesn't look as good as last year's card, but we'll see where they go on Raw.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 27.10.04 0419)
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#12 Posted on 27.10.04 1012.46
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I like the Smackdown style elimination match, but I wonder why they don't just add one more guy to the face team and allow Bubba and D-Von to be on Angle's team ... maybe they'll eventually go there.
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#13 Posted on 27.10.04 1352.57
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This is what I'm guessing -- and hardly any original thinking here, just based on where they're headed right now:

Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista and Edge vs.
Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and Maven

Booker T vs. John Bradshaw Layfield

Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak and Spike Dudley vs.
Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, and Rey Mysterio

Shelton Benjamin vs. Christian

The Undertaker vs. Heidenreich

Lita vs. Trish Stratus

Throw in there, possibly Haas and Rico vs. Kenzo and Dupree, and perhaps a three-way dance for the Raw tag team titles (assuming the belts are vacated by Edge and Benoit) perhaps between La Resistance, Rosey/Hurricane and Rhyno/Tajiri, and you've got a pretty stacked card.
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#14 Posted on 27.10.04 1357.58
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And hopefully Chavo/Kidman.


Mayven: "I wonder why they don't just add one more guy to the face team and allow Bubba and D-Von to be on Angle's team"

Yeah really. I might guess that it's because they already have the Raw faces and Evolution & Edge teams in mind and want both matches to have teams of four for consistency's sake.
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#15 Posted on 27.10.04 1439.17
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Let's see...

Survivor Series: Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista & Edge vs. Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho & Maven
WWE Championship: John Layfield [c] vs. Booker T
Survivor Series: Eddie Guerrero, The Big Show, Rob Van Dam & Rey Mysterio vs. Kurt Angle, Mark Jindrak, Luther Reigns & Spike Dudley
Intercontinental Championship: Shelton Benjamin [c] vs. Christian
Chavo Guerrero vs. Billy Kidman
The Undertaker vs. Heidenreich
World Tag Championship: Chris Benoit [c] vs. La Resistance
Survivor Series Bra & Panties Match: Trish Stratus, Molly Holly, Gail Kim & Jazz vs. Lita, Victoria, Nidia & Stacy Keibler

They're saving HHH/Orton for WrestleMania, so why not save Trish/Lita for then? They'll do a big clusterfuck to save time and give us T&A, and Benoit does doubleduty because Bischoff hates him.
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#16 Posted on 27.10.04 1453.22
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    And hopefully Chavo/Kidman.


    Mayven: "I wonder why they don't just add one more guy to the face team and allow Bubba and D-Von to be on Angle's team"

    Yeah really. I might guess that it's because they already have the Raw faces and Evolution & Edge teams in mind and want both matches to have teams of four for consistency's sake.


If that's the case, add Shelton Benjamin to the face team & Christian to the heel team ... save the IC title match for another day.
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#17 Posted on 27.10.04 1531.24
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Okay, here we go again:

RAW--

Elimination Match
Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista, & Edge v. Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, & Maven (Maven?)

Inercontinental Title Match
Shelton Benjamin v. Christian

WWE Women's Title Match
Trish Stratus v. Lita

SmackDown--

WWE Title Match
John Bradshaw Layfield v. Booker T

Elimination Match
Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, & Rob Van Dam v. Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak & ??? (either one of the Dudleys (Spike or Bubba, because who cares about D-Von?) or Carlito Caribbean Cool)

Undertaker v. John Heidenreich

Chavo Guerrero v. Billy Kidman

That's a hard card to predict, because so many people have the potential to be left off. If one of the Dudleyz is in the elimination match, then what do they do with Carlito? And vice-versa? They could do Gene Snitsky v. William Regal, but that'd be filler. What about the tag-titles? The card I have up is 7 matches, and that's probably the limit with the elimination matches taking up some time.

Oh well, I could be way off. The show is still 2-and-a-half weeks away. And it today's wrestling, who knows what'll happen between now and then? Maybe Josh Matthews will be the 4th guy on the heel team?
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#18 Posted on 27.10.04 1620.10
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I'm going to be bummed if they don't do the Elimination Chamber. I love that thing.
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#19 Posted on 27.10.04 1629.57
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I could see them turning one of those two flat SD matches into another elimination match. Now I'D take UT/HeiDenReich and add three partners to each side (Rene, Kenzo and Carlito for the heels, Haas, Rico and-ooh err-Tazz defending Cole's honor for the faces?), just to paper over the serious cracks in Heidenreich's skillz, but odds are the cruiser match will get expanded. Chavo, Paul London, Rico & Haas for the good guys, Kidman, Carlito, Kenzo and Rene one the dark side. Simple and fun.
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#20 Posted on 27.10.04 1702.25
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    I'm going to be bummed if they don't do the Elimination Chamber. I love that thing.


Well, it doesn't look like they'll do one for this PPV. Don't worry though; They'll bring it back eventually. They aren't about to spend however much money they did on building the thing (don't remember the exact figure, but it was HELLA' lot) just to use it twice. They probably just want to use it limitedley so as not to burn the fans out on it.

Personally, I'd like to see another one soon as well. I thought the first one was good, but it dragged. They then fixed the dragging problem by switching the intervals from 5 minutes to 3 minutes. However, the second one didn't have the workrate, replacing Rob Van Dam and Booker T with Goldberg and Kevin Nash. I'd like to see one really great Elimination Chamber match, because the potential is most definitley there. However, I think we'll have to wait for it.
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