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#1 Posted on 21.10.04 1644.35
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Well, it's not Captain Boomerang, that's for sure. What's up with his son having super speed? Who's his mom, I can't think of any female speedsters who she could be, Jesse Quick perhaps? Then, to have him get his head right just to have him killed REALLY sucks.

Poor Tim Drake, he's lost his mother, he loses his dad here and Spoilers going to die in WAR GAMES (According to the BEAUTIFUL new DC ENCYCLOPEDIA, go buy it, it's great!); it's really not turning out to be his year. Hell, he even lost a girl he only kinda liked two issues ago in Robin, the mobster's daughter, I can't remember her name now.

The other big death we get this issue(seemingly...) was Firestorm! Can't say I saw that coming.

After two issues of not much happening, this one really went off with a bang.

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Well, this one sure did give us more questions then answers. Where was Flash, why didn't he answer? Who's going around sending guns to the heroes loved ones. How the hell did Deadshot MISS Kyle, it was point blank in the face and he hits his SHOULDER? Who was the guy in the shadows when Jack Drake finds the gun?

Also, who's giving out these guns? This is the second time some villain gets caught off guard by some one with a weapon when they are not expecting it, remember Bolt had the same thing happen to him. Are the villains being set up, and the others just being puppets? Strange things going on in this series...

A slight peeve; why the hell does Jack Drake have Oracle's number?

(edited by Cerebus on 21.10.04 1845)
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#2 Posted on 21.10.04 1915.08
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A couple of answers:

Flash was probably attending to Green Lantern, who was most likely shot in the face since he said he can't see. But he might have gotten his ring shield up in time.

The guy in the shadows was most likely Captain Boomerang just before he entered the house.

Robin gave his dad a signal device and said it would patch right through to the JLA, that's how he got ahold of Oracle.

Next issue should be fun, since it will get Batman more into the mix.
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#3 Posted on 21.10.04 1952.36
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Rather than repeat many, many discussion from the DVDVR, here's a link:

http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=14529
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#4 Posted on 22.10.04 0348.51
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Meanwhile, in Avengers Disassembled...


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Ant-Man, Hawkeye, the Vision, Jack of Hearts & Thor are all dead. The rest of the team is beaten down. Spider-Man turned into a giant spider, then turned back into human form and now has organic webbing. To trick some aliens who wanted to kill the Invisible Woman, the FF managed to have her & the Human Torch switch powers...and then Galactus showed up and chose Johnny Storm (now with Invisible powers) to be his new herald.
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#5 Posted on 22.10.04 0755.15
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Technically, Thor isn't dead. At the end of the last issue, everything except Thor, and Loki's head which was attached to his belt, was sucked into the void. Thor says that he will, for a time, sleep the sleep of the gods. So, not technically dead, but out of action for a while at least.
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#6 Posted on 22.10.04 0815.45
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The guy sending the guns is the guy who sent Bolt and Capt. Boomerang. They get shot and die, the mastermind behind it all doesn't get found out :).

I will be sourly upset if it turns out to be Lex Luthor.
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#7 Posted on 22.10.04 1116.26
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The current arc in the Flash, which supposedly ties into Identity Crisis, is called "The Secret of Barry Allen." Perhaps the secret is that he's really the father of Boomerang's son. There are no sacred cows in comics anymore, so I don't see why DC would not at least consider having Meltzer impugn Barry's rep by having him secretly father an illegitimate speedster villain son who can also now throw a mean boomerang!

It's also a bit of a shame that this series has focused so much on the deaths of supporting characters, but when an actual superhero like Firestorm blows up, it's treated almost as an afterthought.

Two issues to go and I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out who the central force sending the random bad guys out to do his / her bidding is. It's very intriguing and I've pretty much run out of suspects (aside from Luthor).
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#8 Posted on 22.10.04 1154.02
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Well, it's not Captain Boomerang, that's for sure. What's up with his son having super speed? Who's his mom, I can't think of any female speedsters who she could be, Jesse Quick perhaps? Then, to have him get his head right just to have him killed REALLY sucks.


Nothing says that Boomer wasn't involved in Sue's killing or in Jean's attack. Digger's reference to "THIS time" hints at his attack on Jack wasn't the only thing he's done lately. Of course, Digger was a pawn, not a planner, and that pawn just got taken off the board. Who manipulated him is the obvious underlying question.

There really aren't any female DC speedsters who've been around long enough to qualify as potential mothers of a 20-ish son. Jesse Quick's not old enough, the two Russian Trinity speedsters got their powers well after Barry died, and who else is there, outside of time travel shenanigans? (Now, Flash and Zoom are capable of time travel, and Chronos is lurking around, but I would suspect a convoluted time-travel plot to be in the pages of Flash, not as a side tangent to a seven-issue LS.)

To me, it's all pointing to Barry and the Glider; their rivalry was old enough, Glider swore blood vengeance on Barry Allen (not the Flash, but Barry specifically, whose ID she found out), Glider took regular potshots at Barry's family, and what would wreck a marriage and family life more than a child out of wedlock? Between the Glider's own gadgets and her interactions with Rogues like Mirror Master and Abra Kadabra, it's not out of the realm of comic-book physics for her to convincingly disguise herself as Iris for a night. (Barry's the dad but it wasn't his fault, so to speak.)

Once Barry was dead, so was the vendetta, so there's enough reason for Glider to keep her son out of sight and out of the villain game until her untimely death a while ago.
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#9 Posted on 22.10.04 1418.47
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I think vsp is onto something. It's also worth noting that some DC titles are having Identity Crisis tie-in issues. Most titles are just getting one, but FLASH is getting four. Looks like Wally has some more clean-up to do than most.
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#10 Posted on 22.10.04 1502.53
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I think vsp is onto something. It's also worth noting that some DC titles are having Identity Crisis tie-in issues. Most titles are just getting one, but FLASH is getting four. Looks like Wally has some more clean-up to do than most.


"IDENTITY CRISIS" TIE-IN ISSUES [As described by the monthly DC solicits]:
JUNE: [#1]
None
JULY: [#2]
None
AUGUST: [#3]
The Flash #213 [Sins of the Father prologue]
SEPTEMBER: [#4]
The Flash #214 [Sins of the Father Pt.1]
OCTOBER: [#5]
Firestorm #6
The Flash #215 [Sins of the Father Pt.2]
NOVEMBER: [#6]
The Flash #216 [Sins of the Father Pt.3]
Robin #132/Batgirl #58*
Nightwing #99*
DECEMBER: [#7]
The Flash #217
Robin #133/Batgirl #59*
Nightwing #100*
JANUARY:
Adventures of Superman #636
Batgirl #60*
Robin #134*
Teen Titans #20

*-Events of Identity Crisis & War Games dovetail a bit.
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#11 Posted on 22.10.04 1546.01
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Complete fanboy speculation: but I wouldn't be surprised if Psycho-Pirate ties into this whole thing. That might be me taking the "CRISIS" title too literally. Old school villain... messed with Flash..it could work.
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#12 Posted on 22.10.04 2051.22
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SPOILERS!!! (Yeah, I know...)
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One of the big shake ups from WAR GAMES is that Gotham City wants to get rid of all the costumed heroes so they'll be relocating, Robin and Oracle will be moving to Bludhaven and I think Batgirl as well, but I'm not sure. I think Batman and Catwoman are the only two that'll be left working in Gotham, which is fine by me because there's too many damn costumes in that city. Having NIGHTWING #99 & #100 both as tie-ins to IC AND WAR GAMES gives credence to him being the mastermind behind Identity Crisis, HOWEVER if it's true, why does he feel like shit over the whole Blockbuster ordeal?

On a side note, instead of cancelling NIGHTWING, DC's allowing Chuck Dixon's NIGHTWING: YEAR ONE mini series continue the book numbering with issue #101 instead of dropping the series and starting over with a new issue #1.

Those of us out here who bought the ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS DC Encyclopedia and went through it, scouring for details on what's going to happen in IDENTITY CRISIS and/or WAR GAMES got a little surprise when it did NOT mention that Captain Boomerang dies OR that his son has super speed, or mention that Firestorm dies. Jack Drake isn't even listed in the book, surprisingly. But they did see fit to tell us that the Titans have to deal with Luthor's super suit and Spoiler dies... go figure?

Something else that I found odd after rereading IDENTITY CRISIS is that Batman doesn't remember being part of the League when Sue's rape happened and Dr Light got mind fucked. How often does Batman forget ANYTHING?

I'm starting to have a VERY bad feeling about Zatanna.

Damn you to hell Odessasteps. Why did you give me access to that DVDVR thread? I don't want to think of Barry Allen as an adultrer! Not Barry, he's a saint! Damn, it kinda makes sense though. What if he went around screwing anything with breasts. What if he IS Boomer's kid's father? You know, what if the whole rape thing was a ruse. What if it wasn't even Dr Light, what if Sue was up there with Barry and Zatanna mindwipped the whole league! SEE! This is giving my Zatanna theory more to go on...

Why am I feeling like a HUGE DORK right now?

(That was NOT a question for CRZ to answer.)
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#13 Posted on 25.10.04 0400.53
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well there was that whole villains taking over the heroes bodies flashback in in IC #1 (i think?) Anyways..it could have full well have been Boomerang in Barry's body getting it on with Glider for kicks. So..its like..only kinda Barry's fault and Boomer jr. has two fathers?
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#14 Posted on 25.10.04 1025.34
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To be honest, I haven't been crazy about Identity Crisis - killing off a great, underused character instead of using her or letting someone else use her; juuuust a bit overboard on the shock value factor (what is it up to now? Seemingly four deaths (one of someone who would seem to have been newly made pregnant just for shock value sake so far), rape, two impalings, a giant mace to the eye, a self-inflicted mutilation, blindness-by-gunfire...stay tuned!); the goofy League vs. Deathstroke fight (he's faster than the Flash, falls slower than Hawkman and the Lantern tries to fight him hand-to-hand?); the world's longest autopsy (a week and counting); Firestorm getting the Captain Atom treatment (did they get the two of them confused?) and some general weirdness/sloppiness that, admittedly, may end up being intentional and part of the twist. Mostly been reading it for the Big Event value and to stick it out to see if my early guess holds true. So all that said, now I guess I'm hooked, which means they've done their job, and I will devote a too-long post to it.

I do like the writing of Green Arrow and some of the villains, particularly Merlyn, Boomerang and the newly cool Calculator, plus that little throwaway with Cold in the last one. I think that "I wanted to see what Merlyn could do" line in the last one was a bit of the writer talking, realizing he'd done a terrific job making a long-time nobody really interesting again.

So anyways, I've been pretty convinced it's the Atom's wife, Jean Loring, for a while now.

First, she's got the means. She has access to his patents and at least some of his gadgets. Sue was on the phone right before she died, and the Atom can travel via phone, as they've been sure to remind readers here and there, establishing it as the unmentioned means of entry that, like teleportation, can't be ruled out. Plus, the Calculator has been on the phone with damn near everybody, and I figure he's her accomplice. Also, back to that slow autopsy, Mid-Nite has yet to come up with a cause of death, and burning Sue's corpse was a means of distracting from the real cause, so I'm thinking something on a sub-atomic level, like maybe the Atom/Arrow vs. Darkseid fight in Morrison's Rock of Ages.

Additionally, she'd be in a position to have a better chance of knowing or being able to find out the identities of people she didn't already know than most villains.

She's been in every issue including the first for no particular reason. It's a mystery, so you'd usually want to get the culprit in there as early as possible so as not to cheat the reader. She also survived an attempt on her life that seemed really poorly planned. What murderer would hang someone (taking care to do so in a very specific, intentional way) and forget to tie their hands or do something to prevent them from freeing themselves or, say, holding themselves up to stay alive long enough for someone to save them in the nick of time? Either she did it herself (and thus couldn't tie her hands) or Calculator or somebody else did it for her and left her hands free so she wouldn't die waiting for Ray to phone himself there. Either way, the failed attempt on her would be the way to throw suspicion off herself, another useful mystery convention.

Who benefits? Well, it's not the most PC writing, but the last issue hammered home the earlier hints that she wanted the Atom back, and was using the "let me sign the patents back" as a means of getting back into his life and creating an alibi.

That's a key point from...issue 2? They go out of their way to establish that the Atom just "over an hour" late in meeting her, which is just over an hour after Sue is killed. So they both are alone at the time of the murder. Could still be him after all of this, but that hardly seems like the way they're going and she was never the nicest of characters. Huge jump to murderous mastermind, but they made a huge jump with Dr. Light to kick things off. We're due for a big "this is how I did it all!" reveal in 6 or 7 that I'm assuming will contain the vital info of just what kept the Atom tied up for that hour which was used to give Jean her alibi, and how she was behind it.

The other time issue (with all those "thirty minutes from now" "five minutes after now" narrations)...if she's using or letting someone use Palmer's old, stored away Atom belts, might they still be restricted to the limit of only being able to stay shrunk for so long without blowing up?

Another question: Have they established what happened to Bolt after issue one? He was shot up pretty badly and seemed to be dying at the exact moment of the initial murder, and Ralph and (Firebird? didn't recognize the character) were right there and saw it. Yet he's one of the people they send a team after when the funeral ends, despite having a pretty good alibi of being shot to death in another city at the same time. I haven't read any tie-ins, so did he die, survive miraculously, get interrogated in another issue? He seems to be the last of the official suspects that the League establishes who has yet to be questioned or punched in the face.
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#15 Posted on 25.10.04 1156.09
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From what I gathered, Bolt actually is NOT a suspect, all things considered. There was mention of him in the second issue as to his injuries, plus Supes spoke of him being in the hospital in I think issue #4.

I haven't read a comic book in some time, though I faithfully followed the Legion for as long as possible, but I find myself tracking when the next issue comes out and going to the store that day to pick it up. Identity Crisis certainly has some flaws, but it's brought some of my excitement towards comics back, and that can't be a bad thing for DC.
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#16 Posted on 28.10.04 1213.00
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Also includes discussion from the latest Flash if you don't want to be spoiled.


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
Ok, since Barry explained to Wall in that letter about how the Top died, but his consciousness lived on, jumping from body to body(only dead ones), who's to say that the Top doesn't now inhabit the body of Jean Loring, meaning she actually DID die when she was hung on the door.
Also, maybe the Golden Glider IS Boomer Jr's son, but the father is actually the Top when he inhabited another body.


Just theories I'm throwing out here. I really enjoyed Flash this month.

(long blank space replaced with spoiler tags, since that's kinda what they exist for - thecubsfan)

(edited by thecubsfan on 28.10.04 1332)

Thanks cubsfan. I never knew how to do it. Now, I have the technology.
;-)

(edited by JimBob Skeeter on 1.11.04 1004)
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#17 Posted on 28.10.04 1503.53
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    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
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    Ok, since Barry explained to Wall in that letter about how the Top died, but his consciousness lived on, jumping from body to body(only dead ones), who's to say that the Top doesn't now inhabit the body of Jean Loring, meaning she actually DID die when she was hung on the door.
    Also, maybe the Golden Glider IS Boomer Jr's son, but the father is actually the Top when he inhabited another body.



Aw, hell, that makes a _scary_ amount of sense.

If Barry'd left a corpse in Crisis, it'd tie everything up neatly. I'm trying to think of what other speedsters might've been available.
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#18 Posted on 30.10.04 2150.39
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This week's issue of the FLash is like issue 5.5 of Identity Crisis.

Hint: Look up Flash 302 and 303. Those of us that suffered through the Cary Bates endtime on Flash can't believe Johns is reviving some of those stories.
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