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#1 Posted on 14.10.04 0249.42
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I was reading Scott Keith's review of the Eddy DVD, when something caught my eye.

"- WCW Cruiserweight title: Chris Jericho v. Eddie Guerrero. This is from Fall Brawl '97, and an odd choice because it's not that great of a match or anything... "


At the end of the match review, he gives it 4 stars.


Huh?

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#2 Posted on 14.10.04 0301.37
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Maybe he means, it's not as great of a match that they are CAPABLE of performing. But then again it is Scott Keith so I don't know.
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#3 Posted on 14.10.04 0426.00
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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    I was reading Scott Keith
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#4 Posted on 14.10.04 1110.03
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Eddie had way better matches during his WCW period, such as the Mysterio one that followed the Jericho one on the DVD. It just struck me as a really odd choice, given the near-total lack of significance.

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#5 Posted on 14.10.04 1159.25
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    Originally posted by rspwfaq
    Eddie had way better matches during his WCW period, such as the Mysterio one that followed the Jericho one on the DVD. It just struck me as a really odd choice, given the near-total lack of significance.


I would wager a guess that it was just because it was WWE Superstar Eddie Guerrero v. WWE Superstar Chris Jericho, and you get to see their humble beginnings in humble WCW, and look at how much cooler they are now! Assclown! Holmes!

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#6 Posted on 14.10.04 1402.27
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Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.
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#7 Posted on 14.10.04 1859.11
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    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.


Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.
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#8 Posted on 15.10.04 2000.32
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Judged based on a scale of only their own matches with each other, prolly not. But maybe it deserves the 4 stars when compared with everyone elses matches?

I dont know what I'm talking about.
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#9 Posted on 16.10.04 0122.21
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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.

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#10 Posted on 16.10.04 0937.38
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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
      Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.


    Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



I don't know - isn't it all subjective? They put on a match in 1997 or whenever it was, and you could enjoy it a helluva lot, but perhaps you know that today, the two of them can do ever better. But that shouldn't necessarily detract from your opinion of the first match....
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#11 Posted on 17.10.04 0117.56
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All that's wanted is for you to explain yourself, Scott. "****" means "excellent". If it's "not great" or "very good", why didn't you give it a lower star rating?
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#12 Posted on 17.10.04 0141.49
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For pete's sake...

What he's saying is a four-star Eddie vs. Jericho is "not great" in comparison to all the five-star Eddie matches that could have been put on the DVD, but weren't.

The "not great" comment is judging it in terms of Eddie Guerrero matches. The star rating is judging it against all wrestling matches Scott's ever seen. There's no reason to expect the judgements to be the same when the criteria for each one is different.
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#13 Posted on 17.10.04 0147.05
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ANALOGY: Steve Austin and Kurt Angle had a **** match at Unforgiven '01. It was an excellent match, but nowhere near the match they had the month before and nowhere near the level of Austin's best matches. Soooo if it was included on a Steve Austin DVD, that would be an odd choice, even though as a standalone match it's plenty good in its own right.

However, I'd say the other Scott, Christ, provided the exact reason it was on the DVD, which was because a match between Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho from WCW would have a lot more relevance to the WWE DVD Buyer than a hypothetical equivalently-good match between Eddie and, I dunno, Juventud Guerrera.

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#14 Posted on 17.10.04 1125.07
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    Originally posted by rspwfaq
      Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



    I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

    That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.




Am I the only one who feels that if you removed "arguing" from the above statement, it would still pretty much be true?
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#15 Posted on 17.10.04 1326.14
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    Originally posted by ges7184
      Originally posted by rspwfaq
        Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
        Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



      I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

      That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.




    Am I the only one who feels that if you removed "arguing" from the above statement, it would still pretty much be true?


I disagree with that. I think that there are flaws with some subjective ratings, especially if there are clear biases involved with some systems, but, in general, ratings can be helpful in a lot of things. After all, in the case of star ratings, I think they give you a general picture of how good the match is. I don't see many matches that are rated 4 and a quarter by on person being rated two and a half by another.
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