The W
Views: 98563923
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
31.8.07 0545
The 7 - Site Bashing - Scott Keith is confusing...
This thread has 12 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
(63 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (15 total)
Mild Mannered Madman
Toulouse
Level: 71

Posts: 1148/1274
EXP: 3072632
For next: 94497

Since: 1.3.02
From: Westminster, CA

Since last post: 416 days
Last activity: 134 days
#1 Posted on 14.10.04 0249.42
Reposted on: 14.10.11 0250.57
I was reading Scott Keith's review of the Eddy DVD, when something caught my eye.

"- WCW Cruiserweight title: Chris Jericho v. Eddie Guerrero. This is from Fall Brawl '97, and an odd choice because it's not that great of a match or anything... "


At the end of the match review, he gives it 4 stars.


Huh?

Promote this thread!
SeVen ™
Kishke
Level: 44

Posts: 378/422
EXP: 588906
For next: 22383

Since: 11.1.02
From: Japan

Since last post: 2397 days
Last activity: 2228 days
#2 Posted on 14.10.04 0301.37
Reposted on: 14.10.11 0301.37
Maybe he means, it's not as great of a match that they are CAPABLE of performing. But then again it is Scott Keith so I don't know.
CRZ
Big Brother
Administrator
Level: 212

Posts: 5199/16173
EXP: 140214923
For next: 820863

Since: 9.12.01
From: ミネアポリス

Since last post: 14 hours
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#3 Posted on 14.10.04 0426.00
Reposted on: 14.10.11 0426.12
    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    I was reading Scott Keith
I believe you have diagnosed your own problem!
rspwfaq
Cotechino
Level: 23

Posts: 84/92
EXP: 58962
For next: 8762

Since: 10.6.02
From: Saskatoon

Since last post: 365 days
Last activity: 4 hours
#4 Posted on 14.10.04 1110.03
Reposted on: 14.10.11 1110.40
Eddie had way better matches during his WCW period, such as the Mysterio one that followed the Jericho one on the DVD. It just struck me as a really odd choice, given the near-total lack of significance.

(edited by rspwfaq on 14.10.04 1012)
SC
Potato korv
Level: 54

Posts: 555/683
EXP: 1216653
For next: 17224

Since: 11.12.01
From: Valparaiso, IN

Since last post: 1274 days
Last activity: 608 days
AIM:  
#5 Posted on 14.10.04 1159.25
Reposted on: 14.10.11 1159.26
    Originally posted by rspwfaq
    Eddie had way better matches during his WCW period, such as the Mysterio one that followed the Jericho one on the DVD. It just struck me as a really odd choice, given the near-total lack of significance.


I would wager a guess that it was just because it was WWE Superstar Eddie Guerrero v. WWE Superstar Chris Jericho, and you get to see their humble beginnings in humble WCW, and look at how much cooler they are now! Assclown! Holmes!

(edited by ScottChrist on 14.10.04 1534)
CANADIAN BULLDOG
Andouille
Level: 84

Posts: 1481/1962
EXP: 5629852
For next: 32124

Since: 5.3.03
From: TORONTO

Since last post: 492 days
Last activity: 491 days
ICQ:  
#6 Posted on 14.10.04 1402.27
Reposted on: 14.10.11 1402.27
Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.
Mild Mannered Madman
Toulouse
Level: 71

Posts: 1150/1274
EXP: 3072632
For next: 94497

Since: 1.3.02
From: Westminster, CA

Since last post: 416 days
Last activity: 134 days
#7 Posted on 14.10.04 1859.11
Reposted on: 14.10.11 1900.30
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.


Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.
DJ FrostyFreeze
Knackwurst
Level: 108

Posts: 1692/3376
EXP: 13338330
For next: 182213

Since: 2.1.02
From: Hawthorne, CA

Since last post: 6 days
Last activity: 9 hours
#8 Posted on 15.10.04 2000.32
Reposted on: 15.10.11 2000.59
Judged based on a scale of only their own matches with each other, prolly not. But maybe it deserves the 4 stars when compared with everyone elses matches?

I dont know what I'm talking about.
rspwfaq
Cotechino
Level: 23

Posts: 85/92
EXP: 58962
For next: 8762

Since: 10.6.02
From: Saskatoon

Since last post: 365 days
Last activity: 4 hours
#9 Posted on 16.10.04 0122.21
Reposted on: 16.10.11 0125.46
    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.

CANADIAN BULLDOG
Andouille
Level: 84

Posts: 1483/1962
EXP: 5629852
For next: 32124

Since: 5.3.03
From: TORONTO

Since last post: 492 days
Last activity: 491 days
ICQ:  
#10 Posted on 16.10.04 0937.38
Reposted on: 16.10.11 0938.08
    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
      Now that I've actually seen the match, I've got to agree. It was good, but it wasn't "Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho" good.


    Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



I don't know - isn't it all subjective? They put on a match in 1997 or whenever it was, and you could enjoy it a helluva lot, but perhaps you know that today, the two of them can do ever better. But that shouldn't necessarily detract from your opinion of the first match....
Loss
Medisterpoelse
Level: 3

Posts: 1/1
EXP: 60
For next: 68

Since: 17.10.04
From: Little Rock, AR

Since last post: 3605 days
Last activity: 3604 days
AIM:  
#11 Posted on 17.10.04 0117.56
Reposted on: 17.10.11 0127.33
All that's wanted is for you to explain yourself, Scott. "****" means "excellent". If it's "not great" or "very good", why didn't you give it a lower star rating?
Jim Smith
Goetta
Level: 37

Posts: 1/303
EXP: 316684
For next: 21572

Since: 17.10.04
From: Bloomington, IL

Since last post: 2246 days
Last activity: 1677 days
#12 Posted on 17.10.04 0141.49
Reposted on: 17.10.11 0143.36
For pete's sake...

What he's saying is a four-star Eddie vs. Jericho is "not great" in comparison to all the five-star Eddie matches that could have been put on the DVD, but weren't.

The "not great" comment is judging it in terms of Eddie Guerrero matches. The star rating is judging it against all wrestling matches Scott's ever seen. There's no reason to expect the judgements to be the same when the criteria for each one is different.
JustinShapiro
Scrapple
Moderator
Level: 130

Posts: 714/5212
EXP: 25642822
For next: 87824

Since: 12.12.01
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 4 hours
#13 Posted on 17.10.04 0147.05
Reposted on: 17.10.11 0148.07
ANALOGY: Steve Austin and Kurt Angle had a **** match at Unforgiven '01. It was an excellent match, but nowhere near the match they had the month before and nowhere near the level of Austin's best matches. Soooo if it was included on a Steve Austin DVD, that would be an odd choice, even though as a standalone match it's plenty good in its own right.

However, I'd say the other Scott, Christ, provided the exact reason it was on the DVD, which was because a match between Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho from WCW would have a lot more relevance to the WWE DVD Buyer than a hypothetical equivalently-good match between Eddie and, I dunno, Juventud Guerrera.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 17.10.04 0249)
ges7184
Lap cheong
Level: 76

Posts: 1073/1493
EXP: 3920481
For next: 85598

Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

Since last post: 118 days
Last activity: 41 days
#14 Posted on 17.10.04 1125.07
Reposted on: 17.10.11 1127.00
    Originally posted by rspwfaq
      Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



    I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

    That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.




Am I the only one who feels that if you removed "arguing" from the above statement, it would still pretty much be true?
BigSteve
Pepperoni
Level: 64

Posts: 135/1091
EXP: 2189137
For next: 24972

Since: 23.7.04
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 2788 days
Last activity: 2516 days
#15 Posted on 17.10.04 1326.14
Reposted on: 17.10.11 1326.56
    Originally posted by ges7184
      Originally posted by rspwfaq
        Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
        Which would mean it's not really deserving of 4 stars.



      I just want to add that arguing star ratings or any other subjective system of analysis is really quite pointless and stupid.

      That being said, one more time, it was a very good match, but Eddie has had much better.




    Am I the only one who feels that if you removed "arguing" from the above statement, it would still pretty much be true?


I disagree with that. I think that there are flaws with some subjective ratings, especially if there are clear biases involved with some systems, but, in general, ratings can be helpful in a lot of things. After all, in the case of star ratings, I think they give you a general picture of how good the match is. I don't see many matches that are rated 4 and a quarter by on person being rated two and a half by another.
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Dichotomy of the Day
Next thread: Me vs. Dave Scherer
Previous thread: 411's new look sucks.
(63 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
The 7 - Site Bashing - Scott Keith is confusing...Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.192 seconds.