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#1 Posted on 11.10.04 1031.02
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I'm surprised nobody has quoted this yet.

    Originally posted by Kerry
    ''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' Kerry said. ''As a former law-enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''
Prostitution, gambling....... and terrorism. The axis of nuisances. If this doesn't end up in every Bush ad from now until election day, I will be amazed.
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#2 Posted on 11.10.04 1040.31
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I understand the point he's trying to make but that's so going to be taken out of context.
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#3 Posted on 11.10.04 1114.45
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This one is all over the place (also featured on the Sunday Poli-shows)...Neither side is going to get away with ANYTHING until Election Night

Click Here (cnn.allpolitics.printthis.clickability.com)

Oh yeah - this one too. Yikes!

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#4 Posted on 11.10.04 1142.55
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Do you think that as soon as he said it, an aide or advisor cringed? I understand what he's saying, too, but it's not a good thing to say. Maybe if he had examples other than prostitution and illegal gambling (seemingly harmless stuff compared to terrorism) it wouldn't seem as bad.
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#5 Posted on 11.10.04 1148.31
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I didn't even know there WAS a NY Times Magazine. So that's why I would NEVER have read this.

On-topic, though, this election seems to be full of taking quotes out of context and blowing (or attempting to blow) them into a political attack. But I think reasonable people can put it into context. (Or course, to rely on the majority of humans to reasonable is to court disappointment.)

Edit: At least I HOPE that the way I understand it is correct. If he literally means that, it's a bad thing.

(edited by ScreamingHeadGuy on 11.10.04 1155)
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#6 Posted on 11.10.04 1149.49
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    I understand the point he's trying to make but that's so going to be taken out of context.


Kerry describing terrorism as something that is not a threat to the fabric of your life is absurd. That sounds to me like the man is trying so hard to distance himself from Bush that he's losing track of the way the world is today. Terrorism by definition is setting out to threaten the fabric of life. Wake the hell up, John. Just because Bush is against it doesn't mean you have to be for it.
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#7 Posted on 11.10.04 1234.26
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That's not what he said, though. He said that you can never fully defeat terrorism, which is true, you can't defeat an 'ism'. Bush admitted as much not too long ago. Kerry's point was that he WANTS to make it so that terrorism isn't a huge deal ie. destroy the terrorist networks to the point where they aren't a huge threat to the US.

So if you're going to criticize Kerry for that statement, it would be criticizing him for having pretty much the same stance as Bush on terrorism, only using different analogies.
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#8 Posted on 11.10.04 1328.20
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Many more people in the US die a year from air pollution then terrorism.

Heck, I believe around 2,000 coal workers die per year from black lung disease. So I believe the basic point is this: While terrorism is a problem, what are you more likely to die from, asthma or a terrorist attack?



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#9 Posted on 11.10.04 1339.56
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    Many more people in the US die a year from air pollution then terrorism.

    Heck, I believe around 2,000 coal workers die per year from black lung disease. So I believe the basic point is this: While terrorism is a problem, what are you more likely to die from, asthma or a terrorist attack?


I hate this line of thinking. So & so killed more people than so & so, so obviously it's not really that big a deal if you think about it...

Asthma may kill more people in total a year, but an asthma attack never knocked down two buildings or crashed into the Pentagon. Come on, you can't really believe that asthma is a bigger threat to your safety than terrorism?!
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#10 Posted on 11.10.04 1358.46
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fuelinjected: That's not what he said, though. He said that you can never fully defeat terrorism, which is true, you can't defeat an 'ism'. Bush admitted as much not too long ago. Kerry's point was that he WANTS to make it so that terrorism isn't a huge deal ie. destroy the terrorist networks to the point where they aren't a huge threat to the US.

So if you're going to criticize Kerry for that statement, it would be criticizing him for having pretty much the same stance as Bush on terrorism, only using different analogies.


I *thought* this topic had made the scene before...and fell off the radar. Maybe the RNC should think twice before airing those ads...nah. MUDSLINGING and MORE OF IT!

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#11 Posted on 11.10.04 1407.01
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This shows how much better the Republicans are at this game. It took them a day or so to take this quote and make an ad of it. Whereas the George Bush said on television that WE CAN'T WIN THE WAR and it took Kerry months to finally put it in an ad. If Kerry had said that we can't win the war on terror, the election would already be over.
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#12 Posted on 11.10.04 1421.18
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    That's not what he said, though. He said that you can never fully defeat terrorism, which is true, you can't defeat an 'ism'. Bush admitted as much not too long ago. Kerry's point was that he WANTS to make it so that terrorism isn't a huge deal ie. destroy the terrorist networks to the point where they aren't a huge threat to the US.

    So if you're going to criticize Kerry for that statement, it would be criticizing him for having pretty much the same stance as Bush on terrorism, only using different analogies.


I understand what you're saying here, but I don't think that's acceptable. Terrorism was a "nuisance" before 9/11, I suppose. And we had Munich, the Achille Lauro, the Cole, the embassy bombings, the first WTC bombings.... And, strangely, we were resigned to it. And look where it got us.
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#13 Posted on 11.10.04 1506.52
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    Originally posted by Von Maestro
      Originally posted by messenoir
      Many more people in the US die a year from air pollution then terrorism.

      Heck, I believe around 2,000 coal workers die per year from black lung disease. So I believe the basic point is this: While terrorism is a problem, what are you more likely to die from, asthma or a terrorist attack?


    I hate this line of thinking. So & so killed more people than so & so, so obviously it's not really that big a deal if you think about it...

    Asthma may kill more people in total a year, but an asthma attack never knocked down two buildings or crashed into the Pentagon. Come on, you can't really believe that asthma is a bigger threat to your safety than terrorism?!


I didn't say terrorism wasn't a big deal, I said air pollution is a bigger threat to your safety then terrorism, which also answers your last question.

And yes, I do consider it a bigger threat. According to
the Environmental Protection Agency
"tens of thousands of people die each year from breathing tiny particles in the environment."

Okay, so from one aspect of air pollution (particulate pollution, which doesn't look at mercury, nitrogen oxide or sulfur dioxide), tens of thousands die EACH YEAR! From terrorism, several thousand died once. Particulate air pollution is a threat people all around the US, while terrorism is much more likely in certain, specific locations. Saying air pollution constitutes a bigger threat to me isn't some flight of fancy, but based on facts and stats.

Also, while terrorism knocked down several buildings, A joint study by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Brookhaven National Laboratory, and EPA estimated the damage to buildings alone done by acid rain in 17 northeastern and midwestern states as over $6 billion per year (Materials Damage Assessment, joint study by EPA, Brookhaven National Laboratory, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,1986.)

And so, if I were to base money and resources on what constitutes a bigger threat to me (and the majority of people, especially kids and the elderly), we should be spending money and cleaner air, because I am more likely to get sick/die from it then from terrorism.

This doesn't mean terrorism isn't a threat, simply that you or I are not at much of a statistical risk of experiencing a terrorist attack.

More people and more economic damage is caused by air pollution, so which do you think is the bigger threat?
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#14 Posted on 11.10.04 1543.23
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Wow, do we really want a president that says we cannot defeat terrorism? Even if we can't, I don't want the commander in chief saying that. It's like, "oh, we only had two terrorist attacks on the US this year, we've really contained those sons a bitches!"
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#15 Posted on 11.10.04 1606.23
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Wow, do we really want a president that says we cannot defeat terrorism? Even if we can't, I don't want the commander in chief saying that. It's like, "oh, we only had two terrorist attacks on the US this year, we've really contained those sons a bitches!"


Lauer: "Do you really think we can win this war on terror in the next four years?”

President Bush: “I have never said we can win it in four years.”

Lauer: “So I’m just saying can we win it? Do you see that?”

President Bush: “I don't think you can win it."
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#16 Posted on 11.10.04 1623.42
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I do think there is a difference between admitting that you can't defeat a "concept," and equating murder to gambling...
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#17 Posted on 11.10.04 1626.09
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That no-good fucking flip-flopping America-hating French-looking Commie bastard! How dare he project victory!

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#18 Posted on 11.10.04 1631.16
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    That no-good fucking flip-flopping America-hating French-looking Commie bastard! How dare he project victory!




Don't really look at it like that. I think our pre-9-11, law enforcement mentality was fundamentally flawed. I don't WANT to go back to that. If someone launches an attack against us, be it against civilians, an embassy, or our military assets, we should treat it like it IS, a declaration of war, and not like a hooker trying to turn a trick.

The very idea that he wants to get back to that complacent mindset that got us into this mess in the first place is distressing...
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#19 Posted on 11.10.04 1647.41
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Kerry's comments are just more proof that the wheels came off of his campaign a long, long time ago...
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#20 Posted on 11.10.04 1741.50
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Lauer: "Do you really think we can win this war on terror in the next four years?”

    President Bush: “I have never said we can win it in four years.”

    Lauer: “So I’m just saying can we win it? Do you see that?”

    President Bush: “I don't think you can win it."
I think this is another example of the point in OMEGA's post, because Bush was out the very next day after that interview to say that he misspoke and even joked about his lack of grasp on the English language. Meanwhile, Kerry had "I voted for it before I voted against it" hanging over his head for months before trying to say that he misspoke, and then included a bogus excuse about why he said it that was quickly shot down.
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