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#1 Posted on 11.10.04 0547.15
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As a life long Redskins fan I am again shocked that the 'Skins lost. AGAIN!!. Thats what...4 stright loses?? Come on guys. You have a solid team this year. Hell this last game against the Ravens you lead the game at the half 10-0 and then you didn't score again the rest of the game? You intercept the Ravens 3 times in a row and you still lose?? Damn. But as I said, I am a life long 'Skins fan, so I will cheer for you against da Bears this Sunday. Hey, at least were not Buffalo(0-4) or Miami(0-5).

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#2 Posted on 11.10.04 0644.55
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Mark Brunell and the Skins made Deion look like a star again (in the national spotlight, no less). No way the Ravens should win agame like these, but these are the types of games they have always won--with defense and special teams play.

Ed Reed is simply a man among boys in the secondary.
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#3 Posted on 11.10.04 0737.49
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Remember, true believers. Most of those players on the team were Spurrier's guys (and most of them were brought in by Turner, and to a very small extent, Shottensucker.).

If we go 8-8, it will be a success. I believe we will not make the playoffs for another two years, Gibbs third season back.

By then, he will have the personnel HE wants, and his gameplan will have been in place for 32 games (at the start of that 3rd season). More than enough time to see if it's the players or the coach that is the problem after his 3rd season back.

(edited by Zeruel on 11.10.04 0838)
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#4 Posted on 11.10.04 0949.46
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Remember, true believers. Most of those players on the team were Spurrier's guys (and most of them were brought in by Turner, and to a very small extent, Shottensucker.).

    If we go 8-8, it will be a success. I believe we will not make the playoffs for another two years, Gibbs third season back.

    By then, he will have the personnel HE wants, and his gameplan will have been in place for 32 games (at the start of that 3rd season). More than enough time to see if it's the players or the coach that is the problem after his 3rd season back.


Agreed that it will take some time to get Gibbs' system in place, but I must admit to being a little disappointed that Gibbs is staying with Brunell (who just looks lost out there & scared in the pocket, even WITH protection), & not turning the offense over to Ramsey & letting him learn the system by playing in it.

Brunell just has zero upside left & is playing lost with a pretty talented cast around him.
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#5 Posted on 11.10.04 1150.30
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Remember, true believers. Most of those players on the team were Spurrier's guys (and most of them were brought in by Turner, and to a very small extent, Shottensucker.).

    If we go 8-8, it will be a success. I believe we will not make the playoffs for another two years, Gibbs third season back.

    By then, he will have the personnel HE wants, and his gameplan will have been in place for 32 games


But by then you will have NO cap room

Seriously though, the money you guys gave out this year on long term deals to guys who were often far from great and getting on in years could really come back to haunt you. I mean Brunell was given, what $40m over 7 years?

You've got the basis of a decent team though. If your offense managed to raise its game just one notch above abysmal it would have been a cake walk. And you were pretty much screwed by a couple of shitty calls in the first half against Dallas, so if you want to look on the bright side, you're only a couple of breaks away from being 3-2 without even playing well.

I'm lost as to what Ramsey did last year that makes him worse than what Brunell's doing this year though. And damn are the Redskins ever doing their best to make Denver's O-Line look like Gods with Portis' their utter inability to create anything for Portis.
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#6 Posted on 11.10.04 1649.41
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I'd like to point out that the Ravens won this game with nothing resembling an offense until Jamal ran over the defense in the 2nd half and Boller only threw Three Passes after halftime.

To be fair, the only picks Boller gave up were on tips, and the only points the Redskins scored were off turnovers.

The moral of the stories is that I always smile when the Ravens win and the Redskins lose...especially when we beat the Redskins.
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#7 Posted on 11.10.04 1752.19
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I'd like to point out that the Ravens won this game with nothing resembling an offense until Jamal ran over the defense in the 2nd half and Boller only threw Three Passes after halftime.

    To be fair, the only picks Boller gave up were on tips, and the only points the Redskins scored were off turnovers.

    The moral of the stories is that I always smile when the Ravens win and the Redskins lose...especially when we beat the Redskins.





I thought the moral of the story was the Ravens are screwed for 2 weeks with Lewis suspended and they have no reasonable shot if they get in the playoffs of advancing with Boller as QB. Kerry Collins must look good right now.
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#8 Posted on 12.10.04 0053.41
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by Grimis
      I'd like to point out that the Ravens won this game with nothing resembling an offense until Jamal ran over the defense in the 2nd half and Boller only threw Three Passes after halftime.

      To be fair, the only picks Boller gave up were on tips, and the only points the Redskins scored were off turnovers.

      The moral of the stories is that I always smile when the Ravens win and the Redskins lose...especially when we beat the Redskins.





    I thought the moral of the story was the Ravens are screwed for 2 weeks with Lewis suspended and they have no reasonable shot if they get in the playoffs of advancing with Boller as QB. Kerry Collins must look good right now.


You forget that this is the same franchise who won a Super Bowl with Trent Freaking Dilfer. After that, all bets are off.
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#9 Posted on 12.10.04 0207.12
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Remember, true believers. Most of those players on the team were Spurrier's guys (and most of them were brought in by Turner, and to a very small extent, Shottensucker.).

    If we go 8-8, it will be a success. I believe we will not make the playoffs for another two years, Gibbs third season back.

    By then, he will have the personnel HE wants, and his gameplan will have been in place for 32 games (at the start of that 3rd season). More than enough time to see if it's the players or the coach that is the problem after his 3rd season back.

    (edited by Zeruel on 11.10.04 0838)


Shottenheimer was booted after a year, as was Spurrier, but Gibbs should get three to settle in? Oh, by the way, 'Shottensucker's' current team has a better record than the 'Skins.

This mindset is the reason I get to laugh so hard at all the dopey 'Skins fans year after year after year after year. All the hope, all the hype, and ultimately, all the disappointment. When it comes to putting sad faces on all Redskins fans, Dan Snyder has not nor will he ever fail.

Thank you, Mr. Snyder.

(edited by Lexus on 12.10.04 0309)
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#10 Posted on 12.10.04 0220.54
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Shottenheimer was booted after a year, as was Spurrier, but Gibbs should get three to settle in?


All new coaches should get three years to settle in. If we did this in the past, we would not be in this mess now. Six defensive coordinaters in six years? Terrible.

I would have kept turner another year and if we didn't improve, THEN go after Spurrier. Yeah, I was one of the excited ones when he was named in coach. He was following in the footsteps of other great college coaches trying a hand at the bigs.

Too bad he was more worried about his golf game. I still think we should have gave him a third year, but since we got Gibbs, it's not that bad of a trade.

    Originally posted by Lexus
    Oh, by the way, 'Shottensucker's' current team has a better record than the 'Skins.


And which season is this with the Chargers? Oh yeah, his third.

First season, his Chargers were 8-8. Last year they dipped down to 4-12, but I'm confident that they will be 10-6. He has a good system in place, KC is sucking, and Oakland is a shell of their former selves.

Skins on the other hand, have the Giants on a three game win streak, Philly with TO, and The Tuna in his second year in Big D. If the Skins make 8-8 it will be a miracle.

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#11 Posted on 12.10.04 0609.02
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I thought the moral of the story was the Ravens are screwed for 2 weeks with Lewis suspended and they have no reasonable shot if they get in the playoffs of advancing with Boller as QB. Kerry Collins must look good right now.
Remember, we went to the playoffs without having Jamal for an entire year and with Elvis Grbac stating the year at QB to be replaced by a a 200 year old Randall Cunningham...two weeks won't hurt.
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#12 Posted on 12.10.04 1104.17
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    You forget that this is the same franchise who won a Super Bowl with Trent Freaking Dilfer. After that, all bets are off.


    Originally posted by Grimis
    Remember, we went to the playoffs without having Jamal for an entire year and with Elvis Grbac stating the year at QB to be replaced by a a 200 year old Randall Cunningham...two weeks won't hurt.



I think I'd rather have any of those guys over Boller at this point.
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#13 Posted on 12.10.04 1147.18
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    I think I'd rather have any of those guys over Boller at this point.
There are some other problems that are beyond Boller though. None of those three picks he threw the other day were truly his fault. Nor does he really have anybody to catch the ball with Todd Heap still hurt. And Matt Cavanaugh's play calling is pretty bad at times as well.

The Ravens don't need somebody to throw for 3,000 yards; just somebody to not turn the ball over. At least this week, Boller didn't fumble the ball as he scrambled...
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#14 Posted on 12.10.04 1156.34
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by Whitebacon
      I think I'd rather have any of those guys over Boller at this point.
    There are some other problems that are beyond Boller though. None of those three picks he threw the other day were truly his fault. Nor does he really have anybody to catch the ball with Todd Heap still hurt. And Matt Cavanaugh's play calling is pretty bad at times as well.

    The Ravens don't need somebody to throw for 3,000 yards; just somebody to not turn the ball over. At least this week, Boller didn't fumble the ball as he scrambled...


No, but what Baltimore DOES need is a passing game that their opposition respects. Right now, they're not respecting Boller OR the Ravens' lack of a recieving corps. And why should they? They don't think Baltimore can beat them by throwing the ball, which is why you're seeing more and more teams stack up against Lewis and dare the passing game to beat them.

But really, until Baltimore goes out and gets a few better wide recievers (not named Terrell Owens, of course) it's hard to put the blame completely on Boller.
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#15 Posted on 14.10.04 1832.14
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Thats just like you Raven guys. This thread was about the 'Skins and you hijack it to talk about Baltimore. Damn Marylanders.
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#16 Posted on 15.10.04 0702.30
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    Originally posted by XPacArmy
    Thats just like you Raven guys. This thread was about the 'Skins and you hijack it to talk about Baltimore. Damn Marylanders.
Yeah, but the Redskins play in Maryland. Please take them.
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#17 Posted on 15.10.04 0714.10
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I would have assumed that since the game in question was against the Ravens, that talking about either team is fair game.

and oh yeah, what Grimis said. :)
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#18 Posted on 15.10.04 0735.36
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What kills me is that the Skins have the best defense in the NFC, statistically.

The Ravens game was their largest margin of defeat at seven points. The others were four, three, and six.

dMr is right. The Skins were a few plays away from 3-2, or heck 4-1.

ONE play, or timeout if you look at it that way, from beating Dallas. Six or seven turnovers to the G-men and they still were in the game.

It's a solid D. The O STILL sucks ass.

I'm glad all Spurrier is doing is riding the aluminum and watching his boy play ball. He needs to stay away from football for a while. He ruined the Skins. And I was defending him to my friends two years ago.

Sigh.

The only games I see the Skins having ANY chance of winning are @Chicago, Green Bay (I feel so wrong saying that, but I see them in an Oakland or Tampa Bay slide downhill), @Detroit, Cincinnati and @San Fran. Thats it.

So, I guess I'm saying that 6-10 will be a miracle. Sadly.
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