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#1 Posted on 5.10.04 2050.02
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http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw105215_20041005.htm


    LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The Michigan Republican Party is asking four county prosecutors to file charges against filmmaker Michael Moore, charging that he illegally offered underwear, noodles and snacks to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.
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#2 Posted on 5.10.04 2201.46
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw105215_20041005.htm


      LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- The Michigan Republican Party is asking four county prosecutors to file charges against filmmaker Michael Moore, charging that he illegally offered underwear, noodles and snacks to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.



I'd like to be the first Republican Partisan to say, "Millions for Defense, but not one cent for Fruit of the Loom."

I hope Moore was cool enough to offer Boxers and that they were american and Union made. (Old Navy boxers are proudly made in the Phillipines - so all you democrats need to boycott them so the coolest looking ones are available when I am shopping )
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#3 Posted on 5.10.04 2227.22
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It just frightens me who'd actually be led to vote for your candidate by being offered underwear.
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#4 Posted on 5.10.04 2228.36
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    It just frightens me who'd actually be led to vote for your candidate by being offered underwear.


Could be a fetishist thing. Nowhere does it say the underwear is new...
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#5 Posted on 5.10.04 2246.07
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So wait, it could be Michael Moore's underwear?

I can see it now. Moore and Bill O'Reilly see how much of their underwear they can give away to influence voters, on camera. It's the reality show of the season.
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#6 Posted on 5.10.04 2309.56
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Sigh....well, time to be the voice of reason. Obviously Moore was just joking around. As usual, he's not the devil.
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#7 Posted on 5.10.04 2321.52
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Sigh....well, time to be the voice of reason. Obviously Moore was just joking around. As usual, he's not the devil.
Sigh...well, time to be the voice of reason. Obviously, buying votes is illegal!

See also: http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/campaign_getout02.html
42 U.S.C. 1973i (c) (caselaw.lp.findlaw.com)
18 U.S.C. 597 (caselaw.lp.findlaw.com)
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#8 Posted on 5.10.04 2331.54
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Sigh....well, time to be the voice of reason. Obviously Moore was just joking around. As usual, he's not the devil.


But, as usual, Moore's trying to play by his own rules. As our beloved dictator previously stated, it's illegal to offer anything of value in exchange for a specific vote.

I don't hate Moore as much as some, but quite frankly, he's gone off the deep end. This may seem like a small thing, but what if he gave a speech and offered everybody in the crowd $20 if they voted for Kerry? It's the same basic principle. It's illegal and Moore needs to realize that if he keeps acting like a knucklehead, he's going to end up hurting the Democrats. The middle is going to determine this election, and if the middle sees Moore flaunting the rules on a regular basis, they're not going to be supportive of his candidate.

Now, if Michael Moore wants to work to get people to vote, or if he wants to tell people to vote for Kerry, I have no problem with that. But I hope he gets smacked for this, because it's a blatant flaunting of the rules.
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#9 Posted on 6.10.04 0617.19
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Sigh....well, time to be the voice of reason. Obviously Moore was just joking around. As usual, he's not the devil.
Yes, vote buying is a very serious crime. This goes back to the days when the mobsters and union bosses were very good in getting votes in exchange for cash, goods, booze, etc.

I hope that he is charged, just to make an example out of him.
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#10 Posted on 6.10.04 0717.45
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Grimis: I hope that he is charged, just to make an example out of him.

I Moore hope(s) that he is charged, just to make an example MARTYR out of him.

I still can't get over all this effort is being put behind an asshole sacrificial lamb like JOHN KERRY. Jesus, imagine what's going to happen when Hillary runs in '08. Mayhem, I tell ya!

FLEA


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#11 Posted on 6.10.04 0736.11
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Jesus, imagine what's going to happen when Hillary runs in '08. Mayhem, I tell ya!

    FLEA





You know having had this conversation with a friend... This is the one and only reason I wouldn't mind seeing Kerry elected. It pretty much means we'd be waiting until at least '12 before seeing Hillary run.
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#12 Posted on 6.10.04 1054.11
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Michael Moore on the latest asinine Freeper mass-jerkoff:

    Originally posted by Michael Moore
    Dear Friends,

    You may have heard by now that the Michigan Republican Party has called for my arrest. That's right. They literally want me brought up on charges -- and hope that I'm locked up.

    No, I'm not kidding. The Republican Party, yesterday, filed a criminal complaint with the prosecutors in each of the counties where I spoke last week in Michigan.

    My crime? Clean underwear for anyone who will vote in the upcoming election.

    Each night on our 60-city "Slacker Uprising Tour" through the 20 battleground states, I've been registering hundreds (and on some nights, thousands) of voters at my arena and stadium events. I then ask for everyone over 23 who has never voted (or didn't vote in the last election) to stand up. I tell these slackers that I understand and respect why they think politicians are not worth the bother. I tell them that I may have been the original slacker, and that I do not want them to change their slacker ways. Keep sleeping 'til noon! Keep drinking beer! Stay on the sofa and watch as much TV as possible! But, please, just for me, on 11/2, I want you to leave the house and give voting a try -- just this once. The stakes this time are just too high.

    If they promise me that they'll do this, I give the guys a 3-pack of new Fruit of the Loom underwear, and the women get a day's supply of Ramen noodles, the sustenance of slackers everywhere.

    I then close by having them repeat the 2004 Slacker Oath: "Pick nose! Pick butt! Pick Kerry."

    It seems to have worked, as each night the volunteer tables are swamped afterwards with hundreds of new and young voters signing up to campaign for regime change for the next four weeks.

    The satire of all this seems to have been lost on the Republicans. Or maybe it hasn't. The state of Michigan (where we spent most of last week) reported that over 100,000 young people recently registered to vote, a record that no one saw coming. The Slacker Tour has turned into a huge steamroller with a momentum all its own.

    So, the Republican Party, to show their gratitude that so many young people will now be involved in our system, has demanded that I be sent to jail for trying to "bribe" students to vote.

    Of course, this would be quite laughable if they weren't so serious about their charges. But they are. I may soon be a wanted man in Michigan -- simply because I convinced a few slackers to change their underwear and eat a healthy meal of artificially flavored noodles.

    I thought I'd seen it all this year -- Disney refusing to distribute the film they paid for, right-wingers harassing theater owners who showed "Fahrenheit 9/11," conservative action groups trying to get the FEC to kick our film ads off the air, the unnecessary restrictive R-rating that forced teenagers to sneak in to see it, and all the stupid, crazy attacks on me and my movie that I've had to listen to as I watched the public ignore them and pack the movie houses anyway, where my film was being shown. And when all that failed, five different Republican groups made five different attack dog tapes (oops, "documentaries"!) against me in a period of about six weeks. But they were all so bad, so boring, so right-wing, no one wanted to watch them and they too went away, a sad waste of good videotape.

    Now, after enduring all this, with no tricks left in their bag, they've just decided, "Let's toss his sorry ass behind bars -- him and his noodles and his gift of clean underwear!"

    My friends, they will not catch me. Though I may be on the run, and I may never be able to return home to my beloved Michigan, I make this solemn vow to you and yours: The slackers of America shall not be denied their noodles, they will proudly wear their clean underwear as free Americans, and they will vote Bush out of office come November 2nd (though they will not show up to the polls until well after noon)!

    Stay strong, stay slacker, and please remember to turn the underwear inside out every three days. As for the noodles, add boiling water, stir.

    Yours,

    Michael Moore
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#13 Posted on 6.10.04 1055.37
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My God he's brilliant; he admits to committing a serious crime. Brilliant.
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#14 Posted on 6.10.04 1104.05
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    My God he's brilliant; he admits to committing a serious crime. Brilliant.


I actually think he IS being brilliant here, and heading right toward FLEA's call of making himself a martyr. "Look here, kids, those EVIL Republicans are going to have me locked up because I got you to vote and they're AFRAID it will be against THEM."
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#15 Posted on 6.10.04 1227.18
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AH yes, but there is a HUGE difference between "YOU SHOULD ALL GO OUT AND VOTE" and "Here's a gift, if you pick Kerry"

Anybody can see that.
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#16 Posted on 6.10.04 1243.56
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    AH yes, but there is a HUGE difference between "YOU SHOULD ALL GO OUT AND VOTE" and "Here's a gift, if you pick Kerry"

    Anybody can see that.


But TECHNICALLY he's giving them the underwear or noodles only after they REGISTER. Technically.

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#17 Posted on 6.10.04 1247.09
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    But TECHNICALLY he's giving them the underwear or noodles only after they REGISTER. Technically.
I'm not sure about Michigan law, but that is also a crime under Maryland law.
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#18 Posted on 6.10.04 1343.30
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This is illegal, and Moore will still come out looking good from this.

At this point, it should seem obvious that offering any opportunity for Moore to get in the spotlight is going to help him and not the Republicans, so I'm not sure charging him is the best thing politically.

Though certainly the right thing legally.
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#19 Posted on 6.10.04 1345.36
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Well, signing people up, and signing people up and ending the session with a PICK KERRY chant, are two completely different things.
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#20 Posted on 6.10.04 1455.57
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The sad thing is, people are giving the bastard exactly what he wants. I honestly don't think he cares whether or not Kerry wins - he just wants people to pay attention to him. And this attempt to get him arrested is just making people "look at Michael Moore," which is exactly what he wants.

He is nothing more than an annoying, ignorant, ego-maniacal blow-hard, and I have no idea why Republicans spend so much time and effort giving him what he wants. If you "oppose" him, you give him credibility.

It's UNDERWEAR - it isn't a substantial bribe. Anyone who would take underwear of Ramen to vote for Kerry were probably going to do so anyway. Until he makes a serious effort to buy votes, I don't see why anyone is wasting their time with this...
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