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The 7 - Pro Wrestling - JBL and Mick Foley on Hardball
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#1 Posted on 29.9.04 2205.56
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Not sure if this should go in Politics or Pro Wrestling. I decided to put it here. If someone wants to move it, go ahead.

At the tail-end of tonight;s 'Hardball with Chris Matthews', Chris had a short interview with Mick Foley and John Bradshaw Layfield. They both came off really well. While I'm sure most people watching laughed at the fact that two wrestlers were appearing to talk politics, they ended up sounding really smart. JBL in particular seemed like he really knew what he was talking about (even though I disagree with his opinion). Of course, JBL was supporting Bush and Foley was supporting Kerry. They both came off well, got some shots in on each of their opposing candidates, and offered some advice for Bush & Kerry for tomorrow's debates.

A fun little 5 minute segment, and Chris Matthews seemed to treat them as smart guys and not dumb rasslers.
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#2 Posted on 29.9.04 2315.29
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I was at that Hardball taping, but I left early to get a seat at the Smackdown Your Vote debate. Both JBL and Mick Foley did a great job at the debate - they both showed passion and candor in what they said and came across as well-knowledgeable in politics. They definitely did better than the 2 UM students with them (one of whom couldn't add), and they were on the level knowledge-wise with the 2 random Florida State Reps on stage with them. The debate had its fun moments too, like Mick pulling out a "You're Fired" (a la VKM), JBL dropping a Flair reference at Foley, and both wrestlers bashing the French. Oh, and we got a surprise visit from Steph McMahon - she just thanked us for coming, and told us to go out and vote.

On a side note, anyone know what happened to Chris Nowitzki? He was advertized as being in the debate here on campus, and he was on the committee that interviewed us students for the roles on stage (I had the chance to meet him - real nice guy) - yet we didn't even see him off stage... hmm...
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#3 Posted on 30.9.04 0816.58
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After all of his effort, and sacrafic, and hard work, and self-promotion, it is disappointing to see Foley support a schmuck like Kerry.
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#4 Posted on 30.9.04 1348.47
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If anybody needs affordable healthcare it's Mick.
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#5 Posted on 30.9.04 1837.19
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    After all of his effort, and sacrafic, and hard work, and self-promotion, it is disappointing to see Foley support a schmuck like Kerry.


Just to clear this up for everyone, Mick Foley dabbles in religious fan-fic about the holy sacrament from time to time, and the fans of it refer to it as "sacrafic".


It's good to have those two guys elequently and humorously represent the wrestling community, too. Speaks well for those involved in the business and those who partake in it.
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#6 Posted on 1.10.04 0022.10
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As an update to the Smackdown Your Vote debate - the wrestlers hosted the debate block party at UM tonight, with Jill Scott, an amazing performer, and Vanessa Carlton, whom I just adore. Mick Foley, Chris Nowitzki, and Mark Henry (!) were all there, just having fun - Mark Henry started rapping to the "Lean Back" song and even got Mick to dance a bit. After the concert, I had the honor of shaking the hands of Mick and Chris, just great guys in person. (I also met Paul Begala and Pat Buchanan, and saw Al Sharpton just randomly walk by us during the Crossfire taping... and if anyone saw Hardball from about 7:30 to 8, I was on tv everytime they showed Chris Matthews!)
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#7 Posted on 1.10.04 1053.16
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In case anyone would like to know, wwe.com has put the entire Foley/JBL debate on their website.
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#8 Posted on 1.10.04 1320.00
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Hi, longtime lurker. First-time poster. I don't really watch political stuff, but I seriously have to ask something which has bothered me since this debate was announced:

I seriously hope Foley and Layfield weren't in character at the debate.....were they? I realize thier characters are essentially themsleves in these two wrestlers' cases, but I mean, exactly how much did they preserve or break kayfabe?
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#9 Posted on 1.10.04 1436.12
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    Originally posted by InterKnight81
    Hi, longtime lurker. First-time poster. I don't really watch political stuff, but I seriously have to ask something which has bothered me since this debate was announced:

    I seriously hope Foley and Layfield weren't in character at the debate.....were they? I realize thier characters are essentially themsleves in these two wrestlers' cases, but I mean, exactly how much did they preserve or break kayfabe?

Welcome to the board! Nope, they weren't in character, although at times it's difficult to determine what's the character and what's the actual person with these two. Basically, two knowledgeable guys just went out and debated the issues. It was very relaxed, and while both guys occasionally worked in some wrestling stuff into their points, the whole event was candid, unscripted, and serious on the issues.
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#10 Posted on 1.10.04 1509.41
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I watched some of the JBL / Foley debate. GOD was it boring. i know wwe intended well, but i cant see most wrestling fans watching the debate, or if the do out of curiosity, getting through more than 3 minutes.
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#11 Posted on 2.10.04 0659.11
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    Originally posted by InterKnight81
    Hi, longtime lurker. First-time poster. I don't really watch political stuff, but I seriously have to ask something which has bothered me since this debate was announced:

    I seriously hope Foley and Layfield weren't in character at the debate.....were they? I realize thier characters are essentially themsleves in these two wrestlers' cases, but I mean, exactly how much did they preserve or break kayfabe?



I read that there was a moment in the debate where people in the audience were able to ask the debaters questions, and Layfield went off and insulted one of the audience members for asking him such a long question. When the audience started booing him for what he just did, he replied to them: "Hey, I'm a bad guy !!!".

Also Foley made a DX "Suck It" reference during the debate, but I think that was about as close as they came to bringing up stuff from their wrestling backgrounds.
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#12 Posted on 2.10.04 1300.44
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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    I read that there was a moment in the debate where people in the audience were able to ask the debaters questions, and Layfield went off and insulted one of the audience members for asking him such a long question. When the audience started booing him for what he just did, he replied to them: "Hey, I'm a bad guy !!!".

Yeah, JBL was jokingly complaining the whole debate that he kept running out of time to make his points, so when this girl asked a five-minute long question, he made a remark about her needing a time-limit.
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