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#1 Posted on 21.9.04 1250.56
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Well, after the wonderful opening weekend my favorite team and fantasy players are taking a beating. "The Soldier" is out 8-10 weeks with a broken ankle, and Courtney Brown is out for the season with broken bones in his foot (what, is he friends with Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Sheesh!), and Gerard Warren is out with a re-aggravation of a pectoral muscle strain. Steve Heiden is out for 4-6 weeks, so they will probably re-sign Chad Mustard as they *really* need some TE help. I could have sworn that Daylon McCutcheon was injured too, but maybe that one isn't too serious (I couldn't find any details). Lee Suggs may be back as soon as this week, so at least that should help out the offense somewhat.

Plus, my starting fantasy QB (Maddox) is out for 6-8 weeks. DRAT.

I am just rather amazed at the injury bug coming out in full force this week after what seemed to be a relatively quiet week 1.

(edit) Grimis - I happened to flip to the Steelers-Ravens game and saw the Heap injury. All I could think of was "OWowowowowowOW!" At least his is more of a short-term injury, but the Ravens offense needs all the help it can get.

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#2 Posted on 21.9.04 1310.29
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Then there is Todd Heap...and Joey Porter's cheap shot on Todd Heap...
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#3 Posted on 21.9.04 1405.38
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While it was an unnecessary hit on Heap, it was by no means cheap or illegal. Certainly it wasn't Warren Sapp on Chad Clifton in terms of ferocity. Porter simply pushed Heap over with two hands. All Heap did was basically roll onto his back and somersault over. I'm not in any way saying that I support Joey Porter or his amusing excuse about fake spikes, but Ray Lewis would have done the same damn thing.


And congrats to the Ravens for a well played game. Let it never be said Steelers fans aren't good losers (we've certainly had enough practice recently).


EDIT: Capitalization and the last paragraph added.

(edited by HitTheSnoozeButton on 21.9.04 1506)

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#4 Posted on 21.9.04 1614.57
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    Originally posted by whatever
    "The Soldier" is out 8-10 weeks with a broken ankle








Any truth to the rumor he and his father are waiting for his purple heart to arrive, as he was 'injured in battle'.
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#5 Posted on 21.9.04 1705.29
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    Originally posted by whatever
    "The Soldier" is out 8-10 weeks with a broken ankle


And it seems that he's losing 5.5 million dollars because of it. Of course, that means, what, 35 million instead of 40?
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#6 Posted on 21.9.04 1811.00
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    Originally posted by whatever
    Lee Suggs may be back as soon as this week, so at least that should help out the offense somewhat.



I certainly hope so. He's been a gaping hole on my team for the first two weeks. Corey Dillon is off this week so all I have are Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs. If Suggs doesn't play, I'm 0-3. Oh, who am I kidding, even if he does play I'm 0-3. Lousy bid draft.
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#7 Posted on 21.9.04 1840.13
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I feel your pain, Tommy Maddox is also my starter and now i'm left with Grossman starting, who I drafted just because I like him. In addition one of my starting receivers was Charles Rogers who is gone for the season. I was going to rely on my running back but neither Fred Taylor or Travis Henry look 100 percent. Here's hoping Joe Horn and Ladanian Tomlinson have HUGE seasons, although they both have minor injuries as well.
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#8 Posted on 21.9.04 2018.58
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    Originally posted by whatever
    "The Soldier" is out 8-10 weeks with a broken ankle



You know, as much as I hate hearing about players getting injured, part of that just makes me sit back and smile.
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#9 Posted on 22.9.04 0027.58
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Man, it's amazing how much the Packers change w/o Grady Jackson and Najeh Davenport. Hurry back, fellas.
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#10 Posted on 22.9.04 0730.37
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Surgeries for Courtney Brown and Kellen Winslow went well. Daylon McCutcheon had surgery for a broken finger, but no word if this will keep him out or not. Browns did sign Chad Mustard (TE) and Tyrone Rodgers (DE) to the active squad. Steve Heiden (TE) is expected to return to practice this week.

Gerard Warren is out 2-4 weeks, Ryan Tucker is out 2-4 weeks, and Paul Zukauskas reinjured a knee ligament, no word yet on if this will keep him out or not.

Butch Davis has been getting criticized for even having Winslow on the field for the onside kick at the end of the game. I can't agree - the guy is getting paid lots of money to play football, who's to say he wouldn't get injured on any other play he's involved in?

    Originally posted by Roy.
    And it seems that he's losing 5.5 million dollars because of it. Of course, that means, what, 35 million instead of 40?


Is this true? If so, how is he not getting paid full value(incentives, etc.)?

Edit - Ah, I just found the story on his bonus being tied to being in 35% of Cleveland's offensive plays. No word if there is a medical provision in the contract, though.

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#11 Posted on 22.9.04 0833.28
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What can be done to cut down on this? It seems like we have reached the point where rule changes or something needs to be done to minimize serious injuries.
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#12 Posted on 22.9.04 1029.12
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I don't think anything can be done. Most people got hurt in the first two weeks on routine plays.

Winslow looks like he got his legs tangleed with his own team mate...
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#13 Posted on 22.9.04 1053.41
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I don't think anything can be done. Most people got hurt in the first two weeks on routine plays.

    Winslow looks like he got his legs tangleed with his own team mate...


I would love to compare injury stats over the last 5 decades. In the 1960's I don't remember this many injuries.
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#14 Posted on 22.9.04 1139.01
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I don't remember this many either, but I saw injuries where people fell on the ball and got hirt, fell on their throwing elbow and got hurt, got tackled funny and broke a leg, or just got their legs rolled up upon.

I HOPE this is just a abnormality. I don't really think any of this was anything other than just freak occurances.

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#15 Posted on 22.9.04 1205.07
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      I don't think anything can be done. Most people got hurt in the first two weeks on routine plays.

      Winslow looks like he got his legs tangleed with his own team mate...


    I would love to compare injury stats over the last 5 decades. In the 1960's I don't remember this many injuries.


Conversely, the pads, helmets, EVERYTHING that these guys lace up, strap on, etc. has gone through leaps and bounds in terms of development to prevent injury, with such items as;

Fuller Face Masks/Mandatory Face Masks
Neoprene
Neck Rolls/Boards
Stronger Shoulder Pads

Think about it, the space program happened, yadda yadda yadda, cooler gear.

Also, law of averages factors in as well. There are plain more teams and more players, who are plain bigger, faster, and stronger than the average player of the 1960's.

Also Dirt, according to your profile, you spent a greater part of your adolescence during the 60's, so unless you spent a soulless childhood analyzing Pro Football (AFL and NFL), in an atmosphere not idylically suited for the analysis of Pro Football as it hadn't boomed yet, nor was there ESPN or anything with a dot, com in it, it might be safe to assume that you're basing this all on tapes shot by NFL films, which didn't even cover the AFL. Not to get personal or mean, I hope I am wrong, but that's my assumption.

Oh, and careers were shorter too, for some funky reason. That would mean most injuries that took a guy out of the sport forever you can walk back from today.
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#16 Posted on 22.9.04 1228.09
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I think injuries are happening more often because players are, quite frankly, giants. When a man weighs 300+ pounds, unless he's a genetic freak, his knees, ankles, and feet are going to take a major pounding. There was a time when O-linemen weighed 250 pounds. Hell, my dad was a backup center in college (early 1960s) and he weighed around 200 pounds. He was the starting split end. And you see a lot of these injuries occur because somebody rolls over a leg or ankle, crushing it. Bigger, less mobile men falling on each other equals injuries.

Being associated (peripherally) with our football team here at Penn State, I've seen a ton of guys come in, start the strength training program, and lose all flexibility. Then they turn the wrong way on the field and bust a tendon or tear a muscle. The staff works to prevent that, but lots of guys forget how to be flexible. It's the same way in the NFL, I imagine. Hell, look what everybody said happened to David Boston. He was more worried about how he looked in the mirror than if his legs, actually, you know, could bend at the knees.
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#17 Posted on 22.9.04 1329.34
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
    Man, it's amazing how much the Packers change w/o Grady Jackson and Najeh Davenport. Hurry back, fellas.

Well, since we didn't have Grady (except for three plays) against Carolina, I'm not certain how much of a difference that one made. Granted, we'd have played better with him, but we did beat Carolina without him. You'd think that we'd have done better against the counters that the Bears ran, given we run the same thing in practice all the time.
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#18 Posted on 22.9.04 1439.30
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Lexus, no offense taken. As a child, I did not not have the things you spoke of. However, we all followed the NFL religiously as we were all Browns fans in NE Ohio. They had things like newspapers and football magazines. We knew everything about what was happening although we didn't have as much video to watch.

I agree with Roy. as part of the cause.
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