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#1 Posted on 20.9.04 0026.45
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    Originally posted by The Washington Post
    By Mike Allen and Dan Balz
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Monday, September 20, 2004; Page A01

    The campaigns of President Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry have tentatively settled on a package of three face-to-face debates that both sides view as a potentially decisive chance to sway huge audiences ahead of the Nov. 2 election, Democrats and Republicans said yesterday.


Can't wait for the 10/8 debate -- that should be GOOD.

(edit: More at the Washington Post site. Please don't copy and paste articles from other sites - quote the relevant portion. -- AMZ)


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#2 Posted on 20.9.04 0208.43
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    Both sides have already begun portraying the opposing candidate as a tremendous debater, as part of the quadrennial ritual of trying to lower expectations for the nominees' performances. Kerry strategist Joe Lockhart told reporters during a conference call Friday that he would "challenge anyone to name a major debate that George Bush has been in where he hasn't been considered the winner."


Well, keep in mind that he's only had to outdebate Ann Richards and Al Gore. Not exactly Lincoln and Douglas.


    Matthew Dowd, the Bush-Cheney campaign's chief strategist, said in an interview earlier this month that Kerry "is very formidable, and probably the best debater ever to run for president." "I'm not joking," Dowd added. "I think he's better than Cicero," the ancient Roman orator. "But I think it'll be a very good thing for the American public to see these two men stand side by side. You can't hide who you are."


John Fucking Kerry is the best debater ever to run for president? What the hell? "Better than Cicero"? Is the cocaine being freely passed around the Bush camp?

The Edwards/Cheney debate is going to be supremely entertaining.


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#3 Posted on 20.9.04 0720.57
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Kerry will probably do a very good job of tripping all overhimslf and making himself out liek an elitist. The expectation has to be that Kerry will wipe the floor with him, becuase of his debating history. Which means he will probably crash and burn...
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#4 Posted on 20.9.04 0745.00
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1. They are not debates only chances to snipe at your opponent.

2. Both sides are dreaming if they think this will affect a large bloc of voters. This will only occur if a candidate really, really screws up.

3. Why would Bush agree to three debates if his handlers think he is in good shape. The more debates he participates in the more he may lose.

4. If the past is any indicator, few will watch. All most will know about the debates is the soundbites they will catch.

5. SNL writers must be drooling.
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#5 Posted on 20.9.04 0837.30
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    SNL writers must be drooling.


Oh, man, I'm flashing back to Jon Lovitz as Michael Dukakis:

"Ladies and gentlemen, my parents were immigrants. Little people. Little swarthy people."
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#6 Posted on 20.9.04 0845.50
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    5. SNL writers must be drooling.


In theory, although they have a really mediocre Bush and Kerry right now.
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#7 Posted on 20.9.04 0912.32
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But Flip-Flopper is such a better catchphrase than Lockbox. Hell, if they don't rewrite the words to Rapper's Delight, and have GWB sing it I am going to be pissed.

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#8 Posted on 20.9.04 1128.28
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    Originally posted by Teppan-Yaki
      Originally posted by The Washington Post
      By Mike Allen and Dan Balz
      Washington Post Staff Writers
      Monday, September 20, 2004; Page A01

      The Oct. 5 vice presidential debate will be held at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland and will be moderated by Gwen Ifill, senior correspondent of "The NewsHour" and moderator of PBS's "Washington Week."


SWEET, my alma mater! Wonder if I can get tickets - that show oughta be AWESOME.
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#9 Posted on 20.9.04 1337.09
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I'd like to please beg FOX not to shift the Division Series and League Championship Series to Fox Sports Net or FX for the 2nd and 3rd Presidential and the Vice Presidential debates as NBC did when they shipped the games to PAX in '00. NBC and CBS must be pissed that they are going to have to lose 2 Thursday Night programmings in a 3 week period.
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#10 Posted on 20.9.04 1437.11
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    3. Why would Bush agree to three debates if his handlers think he is in good shape. The more debates he participates in the more he may lose.
Rove has been telling everybody since Inauguration Day to expect this thing to come down to the wire. That problaby has something to do with it...
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#11 Posted on 20.9.04 1455.03
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I think Gore was a much more formidable debate opponent than Kerry could ever hope to be - and Bush fared pretty well against him. And Kerry's record stands against him - he has changed positions so much that Bush could potentially have a field day throwing his words back at him.

It is a big mistake to simply look at Bush as a buffoon who will get trampled. Kerry is the underdog here - I think if he is too overconfident about this he is going to get hurt bad by the debates...
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#12 Posted on 20.9.04 1630.43
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    It is a big mistake to simply look at Bush as a buffoon who will get trampled. Kerry is the underdog here - I think if he is too overconfident about this he is going to get hurt bad by the debates...


Not a buffoon but when you are under fire you don't stand up in the middle of the hight with a flare in your hand.

And Kerry appears more like a deer in the headlights than overconfident. He needs to hide for a week or two and get this down right if he even has a chance.
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#13 Posted on 20.9.04 1839.26
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      It is a big mistake to simply look at Bush as a buffoon who will get trampled. Kerry is the underdog here - I think if he is too overconfident about this he is going to get hurt bad by the debates...


    Not a buffoon but when you are under fire you don't stand up in the middle of the hight with a flare in your hand.

    And Kerry appears more like a deer in the headlights than overconfident. He needs to hide for a week or two and get this down right if he even has a chance.


Doc, Kerry's been hiding for months. He's given no press conferences. The only interviews he's consented to lately are Jon Stewart, Dr. Phil, and Dave Letterman.

Also, Dick Cheney is going to eat John Edwards' lunch. Cheney has been in high levels of government for years. He's seen things and known things, I am sure, that John Edwards hasn't the faintest clue about.
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#14 Posted on 20.9.04 2203.34
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Also, Dick Cheney is going to eat John Edwards' lunch. Cheney has been in high levels of government for years. He's seen things and known things, I am sure, that John Edwards hasn't the faintest clue about.

Funny thing about that, though... Cheney's managed to torpedo two administrations simply by being in 'em (Ford, Herbie the Elder Bush). Mostly just by being his super-partisan self. That and he's gotten a wee bit of a loose cannon rep (although people posting and replacing the English language's most verstaile word with "Cheney", as in "Go Cheney yourself" was stale before anyone thought of it)... oh hell, like the swing voter's gonna pay attention to the VEEP DEBATE. Cheney may have been in high levels of the guvmint, but he doesn't seem to remember anything about it. If he eats Edwards's lunch, he's gonna choke on it.
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#15 Posted on 20.9.04 2231.28
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Palp, my point is that Kerry needs to lock himself in a room and now. His handlers need to school him in the three or four points he needs to drive home, how to do it effectively, and how to ignore all the other static. And hook electrodes to his body that shock him everytime he says Vietnam or medals or anything about his military service. Hell, give him Clinton lessons on how to stay on point.

It's like Kerry's swift boat lost it's ruddr.
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#16 Posted on 20.9.04 2321.41
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    And hook electrodes to his body that shock him everytime he says Vietnam or medals or anything about his military service. Hell, give him Clinton lessons on how to stay on point.

    .


And also give him anti-Gore lessons.
"Do not agree with Bush 63 times."



PalpatineW- Cheney has been in high levels of government for years. He's seen things and known things, I am sure, that John Edwards hasn't the faintest clue about.

- But as a lawyer, Edwards can fake it.
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#17 Posted on 20.9.04 2341.30
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    Originally posted by RecklessEric
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      And hook electrodes to his body that shock him everytime he says Vietnam or medals or anything about his military service. Hell, give him Clinton lessons on how to stay on point.

      .


    And also give him anti-Gore lessons.
    "Do not agree with Bush 63 times."



    PalpatineW- Cheney has been in high levels of government for years. He's seen things and known things, I am sure, that John Edwards hasn't the faintest clue about.

    - But as a lawyer, Edwards can fake it.


A) If you have seen the news lately (other than the RatherGate mentions), Kerry has finally focused in on W's "mishandling" of the Iraq war. I could be wrong -- but seeing Dick Lugar among others on Sunday talking about the wrong strategy for Iraq should give Kerry an opening like Flynn gave Tron in the MCP.

Of course, Kerry has to seize on that. We all can armchair QB on here, but it's up to the respective candidate to do that.

B) It's funny to see the "Cheney's going to trounce Edwards" speak, because it gives the same low expectations for Edwards to come in and chop off Dick verbally.
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#18 Posted on 20.9.04 2351.08
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My opinion re: Cheney/Edwards is based entirely on their experience.

Cheney has decades' worth. Edwards has one incomplete term in the senate. He's a pretty boy and an empty suit.

As a tangent, on Edwards, any Kerry backers in here who would have preferred Gephardt/Graham/Anyone?
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#19 Posted on 20.9.04 2351.29
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    Originally posted by RecklessEric
    PalpatineW- Cheney has been in high levels of government for years. He's seen things and known things, I am sure, that John Edwards hasn't the faintest clue about.

    - But as a lawyer, Edwards can fake it.


And Edwards could get Cheney to admit he is a transvestite and it wont matter. Cheney could make Edwards admit that as a lawyer he robbed millions from his clients and it wont matter. Nobody cares about the Veeps let alone their debate.

And most people watch any kinds of these affairs to cheer for their hero and boo the villan, not to be swayed.
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#20 Posted on 21.9.04 0756.10
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    My opinion re: Cheney/Edwards is based entirely on their experience.

    Cheney has decades' worth. Edwards has one incomplete term in the senate. He's a pretty boy and an empty suit.

    As a tangent, on Edwards, any Kerry backers in here who would have preferred Gephardt/Graham/Anyone?



To be perfectly honest, I would have preferred Howard Dean.
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