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#1 Posted on 18.9.04 1206.11
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I know some of you work in TV, so hopefully you can help me.

Many times I've seen ads for stuff occurring at midnight or 1am and it's aired on the wrong date.

[there was a thing here about Jay and silent bob being on at 1 AM, but that is in October.]

TV Land had this problem with their Sid & Marty Kroft night at Fridays at 1 AM, but it aired on Saturdays at 1 AM.

Is it just me, or does the TV industry not know how to tell time?

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#2 Posted on 18.9.04 1257.25
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I think in general, people are stupid. You've got to keep that in mind.

If you tell people Saturday at 1 am, the odds are they are looking for it after Saturday nihgt live.
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#3 Posted on 18.9.04 1404.51
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I know some of you work in TV, so hopefully you can help me.

    Many times I've seen ads for stuff occurring at midnight or 1am and it's aired on the wrong date.

    [there was a thing here about Jay and silent bob being on at 1 AM, but that is in October.]

    TV Land had this problem with their Sid & Marty Kroft night at Fridays at 1 AM, but it aired on Saturdays at 1 AM.

    Is it just me, or does the TV industry not know how to tell time?
I'm pretty sure (but not COMPLETELY sure) that it's probably a holdover from the old TV Guide tradition, where the "day" started at 5am. Don't know if THEY got it from something else and I can't think of a good set of Google keys to check it out.
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#4 Posted on 18.9.04 1624.17
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AFAIK, I've seen the "traditional" broadcast day start at 4 a.m. and end at 3:59 a.m. the next day. So... "Saturday Night at Midnight" on a promo really means after SNL in television-speak.

I'd always suggest to call your local station if you have a question about when a show is airing.
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#5 Posted on 18.9.04 1630.36
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One word solves all your problems...

Tivo.
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#6 Posted on 18.9.04 1753.40
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I'm pretty sure (but not COMPLETELY sure) that it's probably a holdover from the old TV Guide tradition, where the "day" started at 5am. Don't know if THEY got it from something else and I can't think of a good set of Google keys to check it out.


I didn't think of that. Neither my father nor I watch reality TV and got sick of a TV Guide full of relaity material, so we cancelled our subscription a while ago. I remember the day starting at 5am like you said.

I dunno, I guess that it irks me that when they say a time and day, it's not on.

Triple S is right, a Tivo is looking more and more appealing. I'm taking night classes and I've got the whole CSI lineup, NCIS, and JAG to tape, AND all the goodness that is TLC & Discovery channel.

I guess I'll check out the Tivo site for pricing and info. In the meantime, are there any drawbacks to Tivo? I know there is a limit to how much one can record, but that can be worked around with a new HD. For the record, I have regular (non-digital) cable and I'm a whiz at hooking up A/V devices. I have a very complicated hookup which I've moved 4 times to 5 different houses. It's a piece of cake, for me at least, to modify.

How do you Tivo owners out there like it. TV-life-changing device? I've only seen it used once on a first date that never had a second. We were watching Roseanne on nick@nite and the pause and rewind and fuhfuhward of live TV was AWESOME.
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#7 Posted on 18.9.04 1815.45
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You should check to see if your cable company offers DVR before you buy a TiVo. You won't be out the $100 or so bucks, and if something breaks, it's on their dime to fix it.
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#8 Posted on 18.9.04 1820.40
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    You should check to see if your cable company offers DVR before you buy a TiVo. You won't be out the $100 or so bucks, and if something breaks, it's on their dime to fix it.


Comcast does offer DVRs to people who upgrade to the digital cable, or at least to us in the DC area because they keep running that advert like every 30 mins.

Thanks for the heads up Guru, I'll have to look into that with them. Right now they're running a "First month for $1" if we do the upgrade.
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#9 Posted on 18.9.04 2118.45
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Before I launch into lathering praise for my new DirecTV/TiVo set-up, I'd better get permission from Guru.
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#10 Posted on 19.9.04 0207.20
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The big difference between the DirecTV DVR and the one from the cable company is the ownership of the box. I rent my DVR for a small fee from my cable company. If the hard drive goes bad (has happened 3 times now, actually) they replace the unit for me. I don't know that DirecTV offers that kind of service - you'd have to let me know.

The box I have from my cable company can record two shows and play back another from the HD all at the same time. It also has two tuner picture in picture built in to it - which is nice because I don't have that on my TV.

I'm already threadjacking here - feel free to chime in about DirecTV.
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#11 Posted on 19.9.04 0303.37
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The paradigm shift is that, with a DVR, there's always something available that you want to watch. I've got all my "important" shows programmed, but I've also got some filler "junk TV" that I enjoy programmed in. If there's nothing useful on live TV & I just want some fluff or background TV, I've always got a few episodes of Pinky & the Brain, Green Hornet, or 1958 Password collected up on the DVR. If I don't use them, they go away on their own. (And, of course, you can get *really good* with the ol' FFWD buttons.)

The TiVo feature set (particularly the program selection stuff) is several orders of magnitude superior on the TiVo than what's available with the DVR-from-cable-company here (Cox). (No clue whether that varies by cable provider.)

I *believe* the TiVos that play with DirectTV are all 2-recording-tuner models. (Everybody I know who has that setup has that.) Meaning that it will record 2 different channels at the same time.

The ability to record 2 different shows at the same time is definitely nice, & a plus for the systems that support that. On the other hand, among the stuff I record, I find that enough of the shows are repeated that I really don't miss anything due to tuner conflicts. The TiVo wishlist mechanism finds the repeats & grabs those.

I split the cable input so I have 1) the TiVo box controlling the digital cable box, & 2) the vanilla 70-channel cable running in through my VCR. That gives me some additional options. A generic setup is easy-peasy; from there you can make it as complicated as you'd like. :-) (I have a chart for mine, but that's just me.)

You do need either a phone line or ethernet connection for the box. Basically it needs to make a call every couple of days to cache down the new programming information, do any software updates & such. It generally attempts to do this in the middle of the night, & is quite polite about not interfering with those of us who do work on our modems in the middle of the night.

Knock on wood, but I haven't had any hard drive problems with my TiVo. I have a couple of friends who did have some HD "flakiness" on series 1 Tivo boxes. (Series 2 is the current model.) They're both enough hardware geeks to replace hard drives.

I've got an 80-hour model, & generally find that to be adequate. If I'm away for an extended period, I will generally fiddle the "To Do" list to cancel things that I don't really need.

At some point there was a discussion of TiVo boxes with writable DVD capability included, so you can save stuff to removable media directly. Don't know if that's available yet.

There's also some potentially cool technology available if you happen to have >1 TiVo boxes in the same "household" -- you can network them, share shows, etc. There are some "issues" with the state of that particular technology though, if that's of interest to you.

While you're researching, you should also look at ReplayTV. For a while at least, they had a technologically superior product. I haven't looked at them for a while & they were having some "business" issues last I knew. (I have a TiVo rather than a Replay because it was partly a gift, so my friends picked the technology for me. :-) They did fine.)

As you're shopping remember that you need to add in the cost of "the TiVo service". IIRC it's about $13/mo (for the first TiVo in the household, & $6.50/mo for each additional), or you can buy a "lifetime" for about the cost of about 24 months. Replay has a similar charge, & the cable company's box doesn't. That can actually end up being more than the price of the actual box. Although I find it to be damn well worth it!

What else?

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#12 Posted on 19.9.04 0325.57
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    At some point there was a discussion of TiVo boxes with writable DVD capability included


It's been bounced around a couple times about legality, and I think the last I heard, the courts said okay and they're designing it. (Dunno if it'll ever actually happen, but it'd be a better way to move the stuff I like to keep forever off rather than the less useful To VCR method.)

If you want to record a program with varying start times, it's so incredibly easier with a TiVo. If you like to tape things but don't always get around to watching them right away, it's a letter easier with TiVo. It's a headache saver in a lot of ways.
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#13 Posted on 19.9.04 0540.49
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    Originally posted by emma
    The paradigm shift is that, with a DVR, there's always something available that you want to watch. I've got all my "important" shows programmed, but I've also got some filler "junk TV" that I enjoy programmed in. If there's nothing useful on live TV & I just want some fluff or background TV, I've always got a few episodes of Pinky & the Brain, Green Hornet, or 1958 Password collected up on the DVR. If I don't use them, they go away on their own. (And, of course, you can get *really good* with the ol' FFWD buttons.)



Not sure how different any of this is from a DVR so bear with me . . .

When we moved into our new house this summer, I put a TiVo down in the basement for myself and one in the living room for my wife. Best Buy didn't have anymore of the 80-hour models, so both of them are the 30-hour variety (which is somewhat limiting for me because I'm a huge TV geek). Any shows I have season subscriptions to (VH-1 Classic's All-Request Hour and the Alternative, Raw, SmackDown!, Ohio Valley Wrestling), I do downstairs and have it set not to record anything I don't specify.

The TiVo upstairs is allowed to roam wherever and based on our viewing patterns and things we rate as favourable, it chooses programs and/or movies it thinks we might want (or what TiVo has been paid to try and get us to watch I'm sure). I heard a Patton Oswalt bit where he talked about his TiVo recording some weird shows based on a Western he had watched and he "scolded" it like a family pet that had used the living room rug as a urinal for jamming up his hard drive with crappy shows.

I find myself using the pause and rewind features more and more on the TiVo everyday. If you get distracted for some reason, you can restart, or go back to where you stopped watching and not miss a thing, other than commercials since you can zip thru 'em. That's one of the better features in my opinion. Now *I* can decide when my breaks are, not the networks. If I need to take a call, or change my daughter's diaper or whatever, I don't have to miss anything. If I didn't quite hear something I was watching, I can rewind and catch it.

My wife made the comment yesterday that this feature has "ruined me" for regular tv and she's right. In the past couple of weeks, I've wanted to hit a button on my radio when a Bob & Tom joke got by me or I zoned out and didn't hear a score on sports radio. It's very addicting and life-altering.

Another thing it allows me to do is "speed watch" shows or movies. Almost all reality tv shows can be watched in about 20 minutes by watching most of it on the 1st fast forward setting and using the closed caption feature on my tv. If something good is happening, I turn the ffwd off and watch. You can use the ffwdx3 to zip thru the commercial breaks and then go back to regular ffwd or turn it off. As for movies, I watched "Dreamcatcher" and "Ghost Ship" that TiVo had recorded from one of our zillion movie channels in about 40 minutes each as I rocked my daughter back to sleep using this feature. I'm not saying I'd watch Star Wars or a dialoge-heavy Kevin Smith movie using the ffwds, but you don't have to devote 2 hours to a movie that may or may not be worth it (like Ghost Ship) with TiVo.

In other words, it allows me to watch MORE tv, and watch it more efficiently, which appeals to my inner-CPA.

edit: It's also handy that I can watch something while TiVoing something else. The three things I hated about digital cable - No NFL Sunday Ticket, having to remember to leave the box on the channel I wanted to tape and not being able to tape multiple things on multiple channels. I had to leave a small tv in my computer room with plain old cable to tape multiple channels. Less chance of me forgetting to set the channel this way.

I also like that I can watch something I've TiVoed while TiVoing something else too. Plus, I don't have to have tapes dedicated for taping purposes that get worn down the more I tape on them and dub to something else. Very handy and I can make better tapes from it, soon to be DVDs when I get my burner.

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#14 Posted on 19.9.04 1252.37
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Question regarding the not-TiVo-or-Replay DVRs (eg. from the cable company -- the ones for which you *don't* pay an additional fee for "the service"):

This weekend Velocity moved (The W) from 7:00pm to 11:00pm with very little fanfare. TiVo handled this seamlessly with no intervention on my part. Do the no-service-fee-DVRs handle this sort of thing as well?

I have the impression (Could be wrong -- that's why I'm asking.) that the no-service-fee-DVRs schedule their repeat recording for a fixed time/day & channel, as determined at the moment that you request the recording. This would be the same model as programming your VCR for a set time/day. In the case of a subsequet schedule change, those DVRs don't notice or react to schedule changes.

Anybody know?

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#15 Posted on 19.9.04 1500.22
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I can take that one, but not specifically with the Velocity move, as I'm not watching it.

You can record any occurrence, a specific date/time (good for Adult Swim on Cartoon Network) or only new. If the guide knows that the show moved and you have it on any occurrence, you should catch it.

Actually, I did get TNA Impact on Tuesday and Friday last week (two weeks ago?), so I know this works. It was not on the previous Friday but it showed on Tuesday instead.
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#16 Posted on 19.9.04 1555.11
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I've always been interested in buying a TV-tuner card & DVD burner for my computer instead of a Tivo or other DVR device. Has anyone done this? If you have, what did you use and what was the up/down on it?

Side note: Emma, I don't want you to think that an old married man is trying to flirt with you, but you have to be one of the coolest women I have EVER not met. No comment necessary, I just had to satisfy my inner geek.
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#17 Posted on 19.9.04 1557.36
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I think my brother did that and loves it. Haven't had the chance yet, but when I get around to building a HTPC, that's quite throughly going to be in there.
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#18 Posted on 19.9.04 1724.33
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Before I switched to the setup I'm running now, I used Intervideo WinPVR on my PC and a video capture card.

I have not had very good luck with this setup. I stopped using it for about a year, and when I went to use it the other day, it was giving me errors about upgrading my video capture device.

It was kind of klunky to use compared to having a remote and a TV. If you like watching TV on a computer, it's probably not too bad. I was using the TV out on a GeForce2 MX and it didn't look too bad on my TV, but the quality is much better with the unit I'm getting from the cable company.

It got really annoying having the PC running in the living room while trying to watch TV. I had this in an XP 1800+ and with all of the fans on it you had to turn the TV up more than I wanted to.

As a side note, I tried to get MythTV running with this same card and computer under Fedora Core 1, and had no luck at all.
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