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Guru Zim
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#1 Posted on 17.9.04 2005.34
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http://www.nature.com/news/specials/uselection/index.html#flash

Interesting read. Here are some issues to discuss.
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#2 Posted on 17.9.04 2255.27
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Interesting Guru. The biggest differences I see are in the area of nuclear weapons, global warming and to an extent, stem cell research. The most intersting thing I found was Kerry referred to himself and Edwards and "W" simply to himself.

The sad truth, no matter who is president is that there will continue to be inadequate funding for basic research in all areas as government wants to find particular solutions. Unfortunately, most great discoveries involve alot of serendipity.
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#3 Posted on 17.9.04 2310.03
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I thought that Kerry's answers were pretty vagues. Bush had concrete points for many of his, while I only remember one example where Kerry backed up his statement with legislation that he had proposed.
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#4 Posted on 17.9.04 2334.37
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I thought that Kerry's answers were pretty vagues. Bush had concrete points for many of his, while I only remember one example where Kerry backed up his statement with legislation that he had proposed.


Kerry's were more vague, however, while Bush sounded better, like most Presidents, the reality iasn't as good as the words. Funding for science in general is lacking excpet for purposes of national defense and I imagine they would say they are underfunded also.

What struck me is that based on those answers, with the exception of what I posted previously, they are similar in view.
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#5 Posted on 18.9.04 0748.38
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    Originally posted by John Kerry
    My administration would never use biased advice as a foundation for public policy.
I'd like to see how he would pull that one off. That statement is just anethema to the political world.
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#6 Posted on 18.9.04 1730.52
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I thought that Kerry's answers were pretty vagues. Bush had concrete points for many of his, while I only remember one example where Kerry backed up his statement with legislation that he had proposed.


I noticed that on the first few questions their answers were somewhat similar, then they divirged and I have to agree with your assessment.

Then I got bored and had to watch my Ric Flair DVD. Science? Who needs it?


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#7 Posted on 18.9.04 1736.51
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I was happy with Kerry's answer though about whether he would fund a manned mission to the Moon and then Mars. I figured he would give the old liberal,"let's fix the problems on Earth first" crap. Of course NASA is a joke and I am not sure whether throwing more money at them is the answer.
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#8 Posted on 18.9.04 2217.23
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    Originally posted by Dahak
    Of course NASA is a joke and I am not sure whether throwing more money at them is the answer.


NASA is a joke becuase the only way that funding could be secured was to have a military tie in to almost everything. When politics involves itself in science, science is screwed.

Grimis is right in that it is impossible to render unbiased scientific judgemants when politics is involved. Both parties are quite guilty of it.

The reason much of science is a joke is simple. Science costs money. Money comes from the government. Politicians in government don't understand research, especially basic research. Ergo, the science funded is geared to find a specific result. Almost all our great scientific acheivemnt were the result of someone noodling around to find something out that resulted in something totally unexpected. Further, pols don't have the patience or ability to reason necessary to follow research to its possible results.
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#9 Posted on 19.9.04 0106.44
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Dahak
      Of course NASA is a joke and I am not sure whether throwing more money at them is the answer.


    NASA is a joke becuase the only way that funding could be secured was to have a military tie in to almost everything. When politics involves itself in science, science is screwed.

    Grimis is right in that it is impossible to render unbiased scientific judgemants when politics is involved. Both parties are quite guilty of it.

    The reason much of science is a joke is simple. Science costs money. Money comes from the government. Politicians in government don't understand research, especially basic research. Ergo, the science funded is geared to find a specific result. Almost all our great scientific acheivemnt were the result of someone noodling around to find something out that resulted in something totally unexpected. Further, pols don't have the patience or ability to reason necessary to follow research to its possible results.


I think we're missing the role of private enterprise in all this. Pharmaceutical companies, for example. And that guy who's trying to create his own spaceship, in the proud tradition of Howard Hughes.
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#10 Posted on 19.9.04 1813.25
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    I think we're missing the role of private enterprise in all this. Pharmaceutical companies, for example. And that guy who's trying to create his own spaceship, in the proud tradition of Howard Hughes.


There is a place for both public and private research. Public for the more basic and private for the more goal/money oriented. What people don't realize is how much money the private sector pumps into universities to conduct research for the private sector. It's cheaper for them than having facilities themselves and it lends an air of credibility to the results.
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