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StaggerLee
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#1 Posted on 14.9.04 1320.40
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From Washington Post/ABC News..... (story from Drudge)
http://drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

How popular is John Kerry, historicly? Here are some comparisons to other people who were rated as favorable and thier % of ratings:




    Kerry finds himself in a dead heat with Martha Stewart and Joseph McCarthy, and behind Herbert Hoover -- although he narrowly beats O.J. Simpson.

    Michael Jordan: 83 (2000)

    Tony Blair: 76 (2003)

    Pope John Paul II: 73 (2003)

    Democratic Party: 54 (2004)

    John Ashcroft: 49 (2003)

    Michael Dukakis: 47 (1988)

    Prince Charles: 45 (2003)

    Herbert Hoover: 43 (1944)

    Jesse Jackson: 38 (2003)

    Vladimir Putin: 38 (2003)

    John Kerry: 36 (2004)

    Martha Stewart: 36 (2004)

    Joseph McCarthy: 35 (1954)



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#2 Posted on 14.9.04 1359.45
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And we know Drudge's "news flashes" always pan out . . .

Does this mean Ann Coulter will write a book about how misunderstood Kerry and Martha Stewart are?

Lastly, who took an opinion poll of Michael Jordan? What was the point?
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#3 Posted on 14.9.04 1409.02
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Can I infer from the fact that Bush and the Republican party aren't listed that they ranked somewhere below Kerry and the Democratic party respectively?

Furthermore, what is this poll? Where's the actual data? Who was polled? How was it conducted? How does Drudge have this kind of following when he posts these kind of information-free nonstories?
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#4 Posted on 14.9.04 1412.51
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It is a Washington Post/Gallup poll. Just because it's on Drudge doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean it's right wing propaganda.

The REAL telling stat is the favorable rating difference between the Democratic Party and their candidate in 2004. Suggests Bush was defeatable, but they managed to find someone even lots of GW haters consider the greater of two evils.
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#5 Posted on 14.9.04 1414.35
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John Kerry will be soon join Dukakis, Mondale, and McGovern in the annals of history in 49 days. Nothing to see here...
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#6 Posted on 14.9.04 1422.12
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    Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
    It is a Washington Post/Gallup poll. Just because it's on Drudge doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean it's right wing propaganda.


Yet, it links to nothing and doesn't explain how the poll was conducted. So, it's still worthless.

Edit: I can't find anything about this on washingtonpost.com, anyway. Drudge continues to prove that the "Old Media" is obsolete . . .

(edited by eviljonhunt81 on 14.9.04 1437)
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#7 Posted on 14.9.04 1423.20
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Can I infer from the fact that Bush and the Republican party aren't listed that they ranked somewhere below Kerry and the Democratic party respectively?


As long as I can infer that Bush and the Republican Party simply weren't asked about.
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#8 Posted on 14.9.04 1441.13
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
      It is a Washington Post/Gallup poll. Just because it's on Drudge doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean it's right wing propaganda.


    Yet, it links to nothing and doesn't explain how the poll was conducted. So, it's still worthless.


Here's a link. You'll have to register, so here's a sample if you're wondering, but don't want to register: I always forget that "get past the registration" website when I want it.

    Originally posted by washington Post website

    For the first time in a Post-ABC News poll this year, a majority of probable voters say they plan to vote for Bush. Among those most likely to vote in November, Bush holds a lead of 52 percent to 43 percent over Kerry, with independent Ralph Nader receiving 2 percent of the hypothetical vote. Among all registered voters, Bush leads Kerry 50 percent to 44 percent.

    Among a smaller sample in 19 battleground states, where strategists believe the election will be decided, Bush holds a narrower lead among likely voters, 50 percent to 46 percent. Among all voters in these states, the two candidates are running even.

    In the five weeks since the Democratic convention, Kerry's favorable rating has plunged. Besides a relentless pounding from the GOP, Kerry has experienced attacks on his Vietnam War service from a group of Vietnam veterans, and the Democrat's comments about Iraq have been a source of controversy. Kerry's favorable rating fell from 51 percent at beginning of August to 36 percent among registered voters in the new Post-ABC News poll, while his unfavorable rating rose from 32 percent to 42 percent.

    and at the end

    A total of 1,202 randomly selected adults, including 952 self-described registered voters and 788 likely voters were interviewed by telephone Sept. 6-8. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points for the results based on the sample of likely voters and slightly smaller for results based on the entire sample.
    [/quote ]

    and here's how they run 'em
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/methodology.html
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#9 Posted on 14.9.04 1446.10
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Yet, it links to nothing and doesn't explain how the poll was conducted. So, it's still worthless.

    Edit: I can't find anything about this on washingtonpost.com, anyway. Drudge continues to prove that the "Old Media" is obsolete.

You mean "Old Media" like CBS?

Oopsie, is that a Washington Post link to the poll with an explanation of how it was conducted above me?
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#10 Posted on 14.9.04 1507.41
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    John Kerry will be soon join Dukakis, Mondale, and McGovern in the annals of history in 49 days. Nothing to see here...


IMO, i think you are correct. The sad part for me as a Democrat is that "W" is extremely vulnerable. However, the Dems couldn't come up with anybody.
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#11 Posted on 14.9.04 1528.11
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    John Kerry will be soon join Dukakis, Mondale, and McGovern in the annals of history in 49 days. Nothing to see here...

I'm fearing you're right, and there are no words for how much it pisses me off. The GOP laid the trap out there for Kerry to let himself get dragged into the morass, and since the GOP will always win when the battle becomes "who can wrap themselves more tightly in the flag", Kerry needed to avoid that. He didn't, he hasn't, and as Hawk Harrelson would say HE GONE.

My only consolation is that Bush and his folks will read it as a mandate, and the far-right will come calling to claim their spoils of victory. And with no election to fear (not even for their VP) they will be free to go anywhere they want on the agenda. I figure four years of every right-wing wet dream getting made into law ought to spook the country, esp. once the re-aligned Supreme Court with Chief Justice Thomas gets around to overruling Roe v. Wade in say 2007 or so.
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#12 Posted on 14.9.04 1629.01
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That still doesn't explain where Michael Jordan came from.

    Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
      Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Yet, it links to nothing and doesn't explain how the poll was conducted. So, it's still worthless.

      Edit: I can't find anything about this on washingtonpost.com, anyway. Drudge continues to prove that the "Old Media" is obsolete.

    You mean "Old Media" like CBS?



Yes, in fact, I do. Read Drudge for a week and tell me how many of his "News flashes" pan out.
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#13 Posted on 14.9.04 1653.08
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Last stat I saw showed he rivalled ABC on accuracy.
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#14 Posted on 14.9.04 1715.14
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Care to back that up? All I could find is this 5 year old BBC story in which his "exclusives" turn out to be accurate about 33% of the time. Which sounds high, to me.
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#15 Posted on 14.9.04 1746.56
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lol, got stats confused (did I mention I'm REALLY sick today?). It was ABC giving Drudge a 38% accuracy rating back in July. Point is, he got this one right. :D
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#16 Posted on 14.9.04 1759.51
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DIdnt he have some story about a certain politician having an affair with an intern? That turned out to be pretty accurate, no?
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#17 Posted on 14.9.04 1952.29
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    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by Grimis
      John Kerry will be soon join Dukakis, Mondale, and McGovern in the annals of history in 49 days. Nothing to see here...

    I'm fearing you're right, and there are no words for how much it pisses me off. The GOP laid the trap out there for Kerry to let himself get dragged into the morass, and since the GOP will always win when the battle becomes "who can wrap themselves more tightly in the flag", Kerry needed to avoid that. He didn't, he hasn't, and as Hawk Harrelson would say HE GONE.

    My only consolation is that Bush and his folks will read it as a mandate, and the far-right will come calling to claim their spoils of victory. And with no election to fear (not even for their VP) they will be free to go anywhere they want on the agenda. I figure four years of every right-wing wet dream getting made into law ought to spook the country, esp. once the re-aligned Supreme Court with Chief Justice Thomas gets around to overruling Roe v. Wade in say 2007 or so.


I call bullshit.

This is another Democratic fantasy. Classic Clinton. Do something wrong, then accuse your opponents of doing that same thing.

The GOP did not set the Vietnam trap; Kerry did. Against the advice of McCain, and now Clinton, he continues to make Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. Hell, when was the last time Kerry gave a press conference? Over forty days ago? Republican trap my eye-teeth. Kerry sucks, plain and simple. (And despite all that, I wouldn't count him out yet)

Every political candidate "wraps themself in the flag" to some degree. To pretend that John Kerry is some sort of victim here is absurd. He's a victim of his own ineptly-run campaign, and nothing more.

And as for your "right-wing wet dream," yeah. Let's make a friendly wager. Because I am willing to bet that, if Bush is re-elected, Roe V. Wade goes nowhere. Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter say hello.

Edit: Forgot about Souter.

(edited by PalpatineW on 14.9.04 2053)
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#18 Posted on 14.9.04 2007.49
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    DIdnt he have some story about a certain politician having an affair with an intern? That turned out to be pretty accurate, no?


That would fall into the 33% accurate, no?


    And as for your "right-wing wet dream," yeah. Let's make a friendly wager. Because I am willing to bet that, if Bush is re-elected, Roe V. Wade goes nowhere. Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter say hello.

    Edit: Forgot about Souter.


I, too, doubt Roe v. Wade will dissappear, as the Court generally does not like to overturn previous decisions.
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#19 Posted on 14.9.04 2158.57
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81

      And as for your "right-wing wet dream," yeah. Let's make a friendly wager. Because I am willing to bet that, if Bush is re-elected, Roe V. Wade goes nowhere. Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter say hello.

      Edit: Forgot about Souter.


I, too, doubt Roe v. Wade will dissappear, as the Court generally does not like to overturn previous decisions.


The bigger question is when will the religious right figure out they are being used by the Republicans? The Republicans have done almost nothing that they told the religious right they were going to do.

Similarly, when will the left figure out that the Dems don't back up their promises either?
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