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#1 Posted on 13.9.04 1718.46
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I'm really surprised that his latest video didn't stir more folks up than it did. Granted he didn't seem to have a whole lot to say that was news worthy, but he did kind of stick the middle finger in Bush's face. Here's a guy who supposedly has been on the run for three years now... living in the caves in the Afghan-Pakistan mountain range, and yet he doesn't look like he's been doing to badly for himself. Hell, I look worse after a week of camping.

So, what in the hell is really going on over there? How is this guy able to just appear out of nowhere like nothing ever happened? If this was Gore who couldn't find al-Zawahri and Bin Laden he'd be a dead duck going into this election. Yet Bush is still seen as tough on *evil doers* even though the second most wanted man in the whole universe just popped up on television screens around the world to say 'nanny, nanny boo-boo'.

I don't know if Bush's regime has just done a splendid job of diverting our attention to trivial things like his military record and Viet Nam, or if John Kerry has done that to himself, or maybe al-Zawahri isn't seen as a big deal these days, but I sure found this whole thing perplexing.

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#2 Posted on 13.9.04 2058.58
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You won't find me doing any cheerleading for Bush, but, clearly, these guys are good. The resources, money, and influence that Al Qaeda has in the Middle East is huge, and, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if people we consider our "friends" (Pakistan) aren't looking as hard as they could because of political reasons. And with the state that our intelligence community is in (which seems to be everybody's fault on both sides of the political spectrum), I have no doubt that we don't know precisely where the hell these guys are. All signs point to the Pakistan/Afghanistan border, and we've got guys over there right now looking for him. Of course, with more caves and tunnels than Vietnam (and we know how that turned out) finding who we want to find is a gigantic challenge. Some might say (and I think they're correct) that the conflict in Iraq has taken some of the focus off of Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, both in the minds of Americans and, more importantly, in soldier numbers.

I watched a piece on CNN this weekend, and we apparently missed Osama by 200 yards or so in Tora Bora, and he was most likely wounded. And, let's face it, before 9/11, he was running around the Arab world building hospitals, mosques, and fundamentalist schools to gain support. I don't think he's cut the ribbon on a new hospital since 9/11, and I take comfort in the fact that he's probably in a cave or spider hole somewhere, half-crippled, running around the Middle East with troops within a few hundred miles of him.

Afghanistan is roughly the size of Texas, and Pakistan is roughly the size of Two Californias (thank you CIA factbook!) Add to that both countries are full of fundamentalists who hate Americans and are sympathetic to the cause, and Osama probably knows where troops are at all times. I think, much like the capture of Saddam, the capture or (hopefully) killing of Osama will be based on luck more than anything.

Also keep in mind that he's not popping up in a TV studio surrounded by dancing girls. He's showing up on videotapes of him in the middle of nowhere, with no time stamp. Either he's got a pipeline into Al Jazeera, or one of his buddies is calling the "if you see news happening" hotline and delivering the tapes.

I agree that Bush and his friends are going after trivial issues, but so is Kerry. That's politics. I think you'll find that the issues are boring on TV and radio. AWOLs, war crimes, and lies are more fun to listen to than tax cuts/raises, education budgets, and unemployment.
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#3 Posted on 13.9.04 2157.48
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    Originally posted by Roy.
    Also keep in mind that he's not popping up in a TV studio surrounded by dancing girls. He's showing up on videotapes of him in the middle of nowhere, with no time stamp. Either he's got a pipeline into Al Jazeera, or one of his buddies is calling the "if you see news happening" hotline and delivering the tapes.






      This is actually one of my biggest problems with all of this. Shouldn't the CIA have someone watching Al Jazeera's studios to see who is delivering these tapes? Find that person, and 'persuade' him to tell us who gave him the tape. Continue pattern until we get to the source.
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#4 Posted on 14.9.04 0759.32
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    Originally posted by Roy.
    >I watched a piece on CNN this weekend, and we apparently missed Osama by 200 yards or so in Tora Bora, and he was most likely wounded.


I thought we missed him because we sent in Afghan troops to finish the job...some of whose loyalties were easily bought, and helped the Taliban/looked the other way while Osama and Co. escaped.

And lemme tell ya, when I saw al-Zawahiri on TV, I muttered more than a few things that aren't fit to re-type.
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#5 Posted on 14.9.04 0822.23
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
      Originally posted by Roy.
      >I watched a piece on CNN this weekend, and we apparently missed Osama by 200 yards or so in Tora Bora, and he was most likely wounded.


    I thought we missed him because we sent in Afghan troops to finish the job...some of whose loyalties were easily bought, and helped the Taliban/looked the other way while Osama and Co. escaped.

    And lemme tell ya, when I saw al-Zawahiri on TV, I muttered more than a few things that aren't fit to re-type.


That might very well be true. I think the piece mentioned something like that, but I could be mistaken. The 200 yards thing happened when we were shelling and bombing the hell out of the area. Unfortunately, one of our bombs supposedly just missed him, and that's when he decided to turn and run.
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