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RYDER FAKIN
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#1 Posted on 9.9.04 1012.39
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Why it took Kerry so long to bring him aboard, I'm not sure, but my favorite political hit man has returned, making sure that all this boredom about service in Vietnam will take a backseat to the real mudslinging action and some good old fashioned class warfare.

This is the latest (sent the week before the RNC Convention) fundraising letter from the DNC, featuring the stylings of ol' serpent head himself, JAMES CARVILLE!

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JAMES CARVILLE - August 2004

Dear Friend,

Not long ago, the DNC sent you a beautiful "suitable for framing" photo of John Kerry and John Edwards.

That's all well and good. They're our leaders and we've got a lot riding on them in this election.

Still, maybe it's just my contrary nature, but I told the folks at the DNC I think they sent you the wrong picture. So, they told me I could send you another one.

Check it out. It's George W. Bush and Dick Cheney celebrating their first Inauguration in 2001. Look at it closely - because if we don't pour our hearts and souls into the final nine weeks of this campaign - you're staring at America's future.

It's an ugly picture - and, trust me, with a mug like mine, I'm not talking about George Bush's or Dick Cheney's personal appearance.

Look how much they were smiling in 2001. We'll never be able to wipe the grins off their faces if, this year, they actually win a presidential election fair and square.

And, we'll never be able to undo the damage they will cause in four more years to stack the courts, destroy the environment, tilt the economy in favor of the rich and, as Hillary Clinton puts it, "create and America that we won't even recognize."

Losing this election to George Bush means setting him, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfled and the rest of the bunch loose, undermining everything we care about. And they will act with the freedom knowing George Bush will never have to face the voters again.

You and I have to flat out refuse to let that happen.

That's why I'm urging you to do two things right now. First of all, send a huge donation to general election headquarters to help John Kerry, John Edwards and other Democratic candidates take the fight to these people.

Then, do a second thing - and, I'll admit, this is more painful than asking you to part with your money. I want you to watch the Republican Convention from start to finish.

If you can't stomach that, you've got to promise me this much: Promise that you will watch every moment of George Bush's and Dick Cheney's convention speeches.

I can hear you saying, "Carville, why do you want to make me go through that?"

Here's why. Because the GOP convention is like a high-priced motivational seminar for any right-thinking Democrat. It will make your blood boil and your heart pump - and it will convince you, far better than anything I can say, to work your butt off from Labor Day to Election Day.

Look. We've got a strong, smart presidential candidate and he's got a great running mate. Together, they are running a remarkable campaign.

If we lose this election, it will be for only one reason. It will be because Bush and his supporters wanted to win more than we did.

I don't believe that's true. But, my friends, the proof is in the pudding.

This is a high stakes election. When the voting is all over on November 2nd, there will be dancing in the streets. Who is doing the dancing depends on you.

Begin that period by deciding how big a check you can possibly write. Then, look at the Bush-Cheney photo I've enclosed and write a still bigger one.

Whatever you can send, rush it immediately to Democratic Headquarters. It's time to pull out all the stops. Let's get busy.

Sincerely,

James Carville

P.S. Don't you dare throw the enclosed photo away. Put it someplace where you'll have to stare at it every day - and use it to remind yourself this is an election we dare not lose.

Paid for by the Democratic National Committee - www.democrats.org

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The picture enclosed looks similar to this-I Googled for the actual pic, but couldn't find it. Although I did find that people are getting waaaaay to into the Photshop-type programs

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#2 Posted on 9.9.04 1024.54
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FABULOUS!!!! I really hadn't been able to muster up enough energy to wish death upon the Kerry/Edwards campaign yet. But now that one of the biggest sacks of dogs**t has stuck his runny nose into the fray, I can begin my seething.

Thanks Flea!

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 9.9.04 1213)
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#3 Posted on 9.9.04 1058.33
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    FABULOUS!!!! I really hadn't been able to muster up enough energy to wish death upon the Kerry/Edwards campaign yet. But now that one of the biggest sacks of dogs**t has stuck his runny nose into the fray, I can begin my seething.

    Thanks, Flea!


If Carville gets involved and is turned loose, IMO, "W" has to start worrying. He and Lee Atwater are in the pantheon or campaign strategy gods.

(edited by DrDirt on 9.9.04 1058)
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#4 Posted on 9.9.04 1113.47
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    If Carville gets involved and is turned loose, IMO, "W" has to start worrying. He and Lee Atwater are in the pantheon or campaign strategy gods.


I wouldn't be so sure about Carville being helpful for Kerry. I really don't think that being even more negative than the campaign currently is will be a winning strategy. I'm admittedly biased, but I don't see Kerry having a chance if his campaign is as negative as Carville's campaigns have traditionally been. I'd argue that Kerry needs more media spin on his positive vision than on his negative perception of Bush. With Carville helping, I really believe that most of the sound bites we will see will be of the extremely negative variety because that's what Carville does best.

Of course, I am celebrating because this should get James Carville off of my TV unless the bigwigs at CNN have totally lost their minds even more than when they decided to allow that blithering idiot Aaron Brown to remain on the air.

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#5 Posted on 9.9.04 1115.27
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Looks like someone finally listened to you for your birthday, Flea.

I woke up to him on the Today Show this morning absolutely tearing some Bush campaign guy into pieces. It was such great television.

Honestly, I have no idea why he didn't get Carville the moment it became clear he was going to be the nominee. He's so great at this, and he's about the only guy the Dems have that'll fight Rove's fire with fire.

I remember once someone on this board (Pool-Boy?) tried to insult me by comparing me to James Carville. I swear, it's still the greatest compliment anyone's ever given me.

EDIT: Bash91, it's fucked up, but being positive is perceived as being weak. Why do you think Dubya got more of a boost from his convention? By and large (and with a few exceptions going both ways), the DNC was annoyingly positive and the RNC was annoyingly negative. (I mean, look at the keynote speakers - Barrack "Hope" Obama and Zell "I Hate The Motherfucker" Miller are about as polar opposites as you can get.)

And what did we learn? Negative sells.

Look, this election isn't going to be won or lost by the 3% or so of people so out-of-touch that they still don't know who they're going to vote for. Those people will decide who's hair they like better, or who they'd rather go to a barbeque with, or some other asinine piece of trivial claptrap and vote on that basis. You can't win these simpletons over with any sort of logic, and it's foolish to try.

This election is going to be won by the disenfranchised. This election is going to be won by whichever party can pull more of their base - and their ideological peers - into the voting booth in November. Kerry needs to court people who voted for Nader in 2000, or didn't vote at all, or were too young to vote at all.

And red meat'll do that.

Look, I'd love to see a positive campaign, but it isn't gonna happen. If Kerry tries to run one while Bush is out there saying the terrorists will kill your children if he isn't "re"elected, he's going to get creamed.

The kid gloves are off. This won't be pretty.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 9.9.04 1224)
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#6 Posted on 9.9.04 1121.06
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I always loved watching James Carville, the way his face scrunches up like he is smelling dog shit whenever he talks about anybody NOT Democrat. He is brilliant behind the scenes and was probably the ONLY reason Clinton won in 92. The documentary showing the campaign from him and Stepanopholis for Clinton in 92 shows what hard work he does and how much he actually cares about what he is doing.


HOWEVER, I am not so sure this is the way to go for the Dems, if they are considering bringing him in as an active participant.
I think Bush and Company have the potential to be just as evil and conniving as Carville. I would hate to see it.
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#7 Posted on 9.9.04 1122.27
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Pretty sure I never compared you to James Carville....

But if it will make you feel better...

(edited by Pool-Boy on 9.9.04 0923)
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#8 Posted on 9.9.04 1130.31
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    He is brilliant behind the scenes and was probably the ONLY reason Clinton won in 92.


I don't know about that. While he obviously knows what he's doing, Pres. Bush didn't have a whole lot going his way.


    I think Bush and Company have the potential to be just as evil and conniving as Carville. I would hate to see it.


Just ask John McCain.
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#9 Posted on 9.9.04 1132.56
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Pretty sure I never compared you to James Carville....

    But if it will make you feel better...

    (edited by Pool-Boy on 9.9.04 0923)


Hmmm, someone did. I know it. Sometimes, it's the only thing keeping me warm on these cold, cold nights.
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#10 Posted on 9.9.04 1154.52
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Honestly, I have no idea why he didn't get Carville the moment it became clear he was going to be the nominee. He's so great at this, and he's about the only guy the Dems have that'll fight Rove's fire with fire.
For once, OFB and I agree. If I were Kerry...I'd hate myself. But I'd also have thrown as much money as it took to get Carville on payroll.
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I remember once someone on this board (Pool-Boy?) tried to insult me by comparing me to James Carville. I swear, it's still the greatest compliment anyone's ever given me.
Somebody compared me to Lee Atwater once. I was so moved by the compliment, it brought a tear to my eye.
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#11 Posted on 9.9.04 1159.14
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      Pretty sure I never compared you to James Carville....

      But if it will make you feel better...

      (edited by Pool-Boy on 9.9.04 0923)


    Hmmm, someone did. I know it. Sometimes, it's the only thing keeping me warm on these cold, cold nights.


I can't believe I actually went to the trouble of looking this up, but rest assured, someone did .

Oh, its post #12 in case the link doesn't jump to the right bit.

(edited by dMr on 9.9.04 1759)
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#12 Posted on 9.9.04 1216.29
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It was even the guy I was talking to at the time!

(Actually, that thread - reactions to the 2002 mid-term election - is remarkably interesting as we head towards this election - plus you get to see me and Pool-Boy fight with each other just like the good ol' days.)
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#13 Posted on 9.9.04 1237.58
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Carville has the ability to absolutley focus a campaign. He is tireless and politically brilliant. He can go negative or positive, depending on what he thinks will work. Don't kid yourself, negative wins campaigns and "W" is plenty vulnerable if you have the stoamch to do it and he does.

The only person the Reps had that could equal Carville was Atwater and he's gone. Look at what happened to Bush Senior in 1992.
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#14 Posted on 9.9.04 1347.27
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    It was even the guy I was talking to at the time!

    (Actually, that thread - reactions to the 2002 mid-term election - is remarkably interesting as we head towards this election - plus you get to see me and Pool-Boy fight with each other just like the good ol' days.)


My, my, has it been so long? Brought a tear to my eye, the memories :). Can I call you Liberal Weenie or something, for old time's sake?

As far as Carville goes, there is no doubt he has skill. But the difference here is - it isn't Clinton's campaign. Clinton had charisma, could talk to the crowd, was a charmer. He presented ideas and made people feel like they SHOULD believe them. Kerry has none of that presence. He is boring to listen to. Bush may be a poor speaker, but Kerry's drone puts you to sleep. Plus, more often than not, Kerry is complaining about something the Bush team did, or SUPPOSEDLY did. And that sort of talk really onl;y appeals to the people already in his column.

Long story short - it is the canditate. Clinton had "it." Kerry doesn't. Carville has skill, but I don't know if he has enough skill to overcome that difference.
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#15 Posted on 9.9.04 1446.31
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I remember once someone on this board (Pool-Boy?) tried to insult me by comparing me to James Carville. I swear, it's still the greatest compliment anyone's ever given me.


I'm pretty sure I wasn't trying to insult you when I asked if you were channeling Carville. Looking back at it, I think I was complimenting you on agreeing with one of the brighter political minds, even if I generally disagree with him about everything, of our time. Of course, if you want to think I was trying to insult you, I'll gladly let you think that was the case if it will continue to keep you warm at night.

Tim
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#16 Posted on 9.9.04 1447.20
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Long story short - it is the canditate. Clinton had "it." Kerry doesn't. Carville has skill, but I don't know if he has enough skill to overcome that difference.

Well he did make Zell Miller seem sane back in the day, so it's obvious the man can work some miracles

Seriously, I'm glad to see Carville back. He's one of the few Democrats in the power loop who is willing to go right after someone without worrying if it steps on toes. The GOP has always been willing to savage someone, and be much more effective at it (hell, people still laugh at Dukakis).
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#17 Posted on 11.9.04 1150.20
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I pretty much agree word by word what OFB said. These days it's not just enough to say why you deserve the job, you have to make it proof positive that the other person is wrong for it... Carville aggressive nature is something that the Kerry campaign truly needs.
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#18 Posted on 11.9.04 2047.12
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Somebody compared me to Lee Atwater once. I was so moved by the compliment, it brought a tear to my eye.


I think that was me. Only I probably put "wannabe" in front of it

Loooong past time for them to bring Carville on. Might be too late, now.
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#19 Posted on 11.9.04 2103.40
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Originally posted by Grimis
      Somebody compared me to Lee Atwater once. I was so moved by the compliment, it brought a tear to my eye.


    I think that was me. Only I probably put "wannabe" in front of it

    Loooong past time for them to bring Carville on. Might be too late, now.


Too late? We're two months away - an eternity in political time - and Kerry is winning anyway.

(Remember, popular vote means nothing. Man, how great will it be if Bush wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college?)
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#20 Posted on 12.9.04 1006.40
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      Originally posted by asteroidboy
        Originally posted by Grimis
        Somebody compared me to Lee Atwater once. I was so moved by the compliment, it brought a tear to my eye.


      I think that was me. Only I probably put "wannabe" in front of it

      Loooong past time for them to bring Carville on. Might be too late, now.


    Too late? We're two months away - an eternity in political time - and Kerry is winning anyway.

    (Remember, popular vote means nothing. Man, how great will it be if Bush wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college?)


http://people.howstuffworks.com/electoral-college2.htm

Would be the 5th time in US history that has happened. The last time it happened before 2000 was 1888.

(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 12.9.04 1107)
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