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|  #1 Posted on 7.9.04 2059.42
Reposted on: 7.9.11 2100.46 | [url]http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040907/D84V15AG0.html[/url]
Hope the link works.
I find this rather rich, seeing how 9/11 happened on their watch, and this administration ignored every warning from both foreign and domestic agencies during summer 2001 pertaining to the possibility that terrorists may use planes in suicide attacks.
It all fits into the general GOP strategy of using terrorism as a political tool for partisan gain, however, so I can't say I'm surprised that Dick actually had the gall to come out and blatantly try to scare people into voting for Dubya by using the threat of more terrorism should the Dems get in. | Promote this thread! |             | MoeGates
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|  #2 Posted on 7.9.04 2302.39
Reposted on: 7.9.11 2304.49 | Hope the link works.
It doesn't. | Downtown Bookie
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| #3 Posted on 8.9.04 0240.42
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0241.43 | Try this one (story.news.yahoo.com)Originally posted by Vice President Dick Cheney
"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States."
Originally posted by John Edwards
"Dick Cheney's scare tactics crossed the line today, showing once again that he and George Bush will do anything and say anything to save their jobs. Protecting America from vicious terrorists is not a Democratic or Republican issue and Dick Cheney and George Bush should know that."
"John Kerry and I will keep America safe, and we will not divide the American people to do it."
Were the Vice President's remarks out of line? IMHO yes; but perhaps that was the Vice President's intent, that the remarks be outrageous enough to divert attention from this news item, pushed all the way down into the article's bottom paragraph:Originally posted by Amy Lorentzen, Associated Press Writer
Hours before Cheney spoke, the Congressional Budget Office said this year's federal deficit will hit a record $422 billion.
So perhaps Cheney's remarks were meant to divert rather than divide; if that was the real intent, then they appear to have been successful. | SlipperyPete
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| #4 Posted on 8.9.04 0354.31
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0354.31 |
If Kerry were elected president, Cheney said the nation would risk falling back into a "pre-9/11 mind-set" that terrorist attacks are criminal acts that require a reactive approach. Instead, he said Bush's offensive approach works to root out terrorists where they plan and train, and pressure countries that harbor terrorists.
Well, let's see......
--Kerry has said that he thinks the threat of terrorism is exaggerated (to which his own running mate replied "It's just hard for me to see how you can say there's an exaggeration when thousands of people lost their lives on September 11").
--Kerry has said repeatedly that he believes the war on terror is mainly a law enforcement issue, not a military one.
--Kerry says he'll have no problem using force after we're attacked, like it hasn't happened already.
Maybe someone can explain what the problem is with Cheney suggesting Kerry may be a reactive President who thinks terrorism is a criminal issue (and an exaggerated one at that). Did Kerry change opinions again and Cheney missed the memo? | Freeway
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| #5 Posted on 8.9.04 0415.27
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0417.06 | Here's the thing: Terrorism can be stopped by preventing terrorists from getting into the country and/or getting weapons once they're in the country. A strong immigration policy would really help expediate the process and keep Americans safe. Now, if the Canadian government can get on board and tighten the borders...then we'd have a very safe continent.
Attitudes can't really change at this point. People will hate America whether you ask them to or not. But the key is to assume the worst and safeguard your home instead of running into every country that MIGHT have terrorists in 'em. | ekedolphin
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| #6 Posted on 8.9.04 0612.00
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0617.49 | | Yeah, Dick Cheney once again shows that when it comes to making an ass of oneself, nobody does it quite like him. Even Dubya's got some stuff to learn from Cheney in that department. | DrOp
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| #7 Posted on 8.9.04 0721.47
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0722.15 | | I would hope that the politicians could stick to the core of the improtant issues (the war, the economy, unemployment) without resorting to these types of fear tactics that the 11 O'Clock news ususe so well. | OlFuzzyBastard
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| #8 Posted on 8.9.04 0735.35
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0738.54 | He's right, though. You just know if Kerry's elected, he'll completely ignore terror warnings in favor of vacation time, pushing missile defense and cracking down on real threats to the country like medicinal marijuana.
Then, you just know when we are attacked, he'll give little more than lip-service towards bringing the guy who attacked us to justice, but you just know it won't stop him from using the attacks to eat away at civil liberties and push through every bullet point of the right-wing left-wing agenda.
Then, you just know that he's gonna decide to start another war against a country that had nothing to do with the attacks - partly to distract the country and keep him looking like a warrior and partly to get his buddies in the, um, labor unions rich. And Heinz Ketchup.
THEN, you just know that four years'll go by - he still won't have the guy who attacked us, the new war he started will be a total disaster, the economy will still be in the toilet - although he will keep saying we're in a recovery until people start to believe it - and he'll still have the audacity to use the attacks in his re-election campaign and to smear his opponent, the great military hero Jeb Bush.
Jeez, this John Kerry I'm seeing in Kane's Hypothetical Future Ambulance is scary. And that rhymes. And you know it rhymes. Why won't you just admit it?
We better not change horses in mid-stream.
In other news, Dick Cheney is giving Jerry Falwell a serious run for the title of Biggest Shithead On The Planet. | DrDirt
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| #9 Posted on 8.9.04 0735.57
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0740.06 | | This is also a point that hammered home well could really hurt Kerry. Cheney should be the attack dog ala Agnew. The Reps need to strenghten the publics view that they are the party of National defense. | Corajudo
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| #10 Posted on 8.9.04 0940.39
Reposted on: 8.9.11 0943.49 | Originally posted by DrDirt
This is also a point that hammered home well could really hurt Kerry. Cheney should be the attack dog ala Agnew. The Reps need to strenghten the publics view that they are the party of National defense.
The doc is right. This is just good political strategy/grandstanding; nothing more, nothing less. I don't understand why Kerry/Edwards can't do these kinds of things successfully. It can't be that hard to find a strategist in the Democratic party with some sort of clue on how to run a national political campaign against a Republican. Whoever is heading the Kerry campaign is doing a brutal job (almost as bad as whoever headed Gore's campaign in 2000).
I don't see what's so hard about repeating things like 'huge tax cuts for the rich', 'unwinnable war', 'quagmire in Iraq', and 'Record surplus to record deficit in record time'. Just like Cheney's comments, there are grains of truth to each of these, even if they are unfair accusations.
If Kerry is saying them, he's doing a miserable job of communicating it, and he really blew his chance at the convention to develop a cogent message (and some nice sound bites) and win over undecided voters. | Barbwire Mike
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| #11 Posted on 8.9.04 1526.37
Reposted on: 8.9.11 1529.01 | Edwards: Stop Hewting Arr Widdle Feewings
THIS is what is going to be the downfall of Kerry's campaign. Between this and the Swift Boat ads it's not so much the substance of the attacks as the reactions. "Renounce," "denounce," "send him to bed without supper." We're the world's most powerful country, our Commander-in-Chief coming across as a whiny pussy just isn't very stately. | Malarky
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| #12 Posted on 8.9.04 1535.09
Reposted on: 8.9.11 1537.15 | I'm getting so sick of this style of "gotcha!" politics that passes for an election campaign.
Side A says something that offends side B, and so the next week is taken up by back-and-forth over whether A should apologize to B regarding their comments.
It gets a little tiresome after the 1000th time..... | DrDirt
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| #13 Posted on 8.9.04 1618.31
Reposted on: 8.9.11 1619.32 | Originally posted by Malarky
I'm getting so sick of this style of "gotcha!" politics that passes for an election campaign.
Side A says something that offends side B, and so the next week is taken up by back-and-forth over whether A should apologize to B regarding their comments.
It gets a little tiresome after the 1000th time.....
Politics in Canada must be different. We call this an election. It's not my preference but it's the way it works, especially nationally.
Corajudo, Kerry needs Carville yesterday. | fuelinjected
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| #14 Posted on 8.9.04 1704.07
Reposted on: 8.9.11 1704.28 | Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
Edwards: Stop Hewting Arr Widdle Feewings
THIS is what is going to be the downfall of Kerry's campaign. Between this and the Swift Boat ads it's not so much the substance of the attacks as the reactions. "Renounce," "denounce," "send him to bed without supper." We're the world's most powerful country, our Commander-in-Chief coming across as a whiny pussy just isn't very stately.
As opposed to a Commander-in-Chief who couldn't explain sovereignty.
You're kinda stuck there. "Whiner" or "Moron". | Barbwire Mike
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| #15 Posted on 8.9.04 1857.00
Reposted on: 8.9.11 1859.01 | Originally posted by fuelinjected
You're kinda stuck there. "Whiner" or "Moron".
Touche. :) | Teppan-Yaki
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| #16 Posted on 8.9.04 2127.52
Reposted on: 8.9.11 2128.03 | My problem is not that it was "Un-American," as Edwards replied, it is that who can say that the likeliness of a terrorist attack would lessen if Bush/Cheney was re-elected?
Too vague a statement by the Veep, IMO... but I think Downtown Bookie's on the right track. | Big Bad
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| #17 Posted on 8.9.04 2200.45
Reposted on: 8.9.11 2201.24 | | So, let me get this straight....people are inundated with colour-level terrorist warnings for the past three years, and government officials have said time and time again that an attack is imminent. So if Cheney's argument against Kerry is true, then I guess the Bush administration wouldn't mind resigning en masse should Al-Queda attack again between now and November 2nd, since another attack would prove that they're not going a good enough job protecting America. | tomk
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| #18 Posted on 9.9.04 0417.25
Reposted on: 9.9.11 0417.36 | I LOVE this. Cheney really needs to go full on all out ORal Roberts:
"If we don't win God will call me home".
| DrDirt
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| #19 Posted on 9.9.04 0836.57
Reposted on: 9.9.11 0839.03 | Originally posted by Teppan-Yaki
My problem is not that it was "Un-American," as Edwards replied, it is that who can say that the likeliness of a terrorist attack would lessen if Bush/Cheney was re-elected?
Too vague a statement by the Veep, IMO... but I think Downtown Bookie's on the right track.
Vague is exactly what you need when running for national office. Letting your opponent pin you down is not very smart. | Malarky
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| #20 Posted on 9.9.04 0845.06
Reposted on: 9.9.11 0845.08 | Originally posted by Big Bad
So, let me get this straight....people are inundated with colour-level terrorist warnings for the past three years, and government officials have said time and time again that an attack is imminent. So if Cheney's argument against Kerry is true, then I guess the Bush administration wouldn't mind resigning en masse should Al-Queda attack again between now and November 2nd, since another attack would prove that they're not going a good enough job protecting America.
Terrorist attacks only count as failures when Democrats are in office; when Republicans hold the reins of power they're an excuse to invade an uninvolved 3rd country.
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