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#1 Posted on 3.9.04 1118.50
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Bob Schieffer reporting right now that former President Clinton has been admitted to Colombia hospital with chest pains. Plans call for him to undergo a series of tests and likely bypass.

Rather unexpected; hopefully the dear fellow recovers quickly.
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#2 Posted on 3.9.04 1136.15
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Apparently, it's quadruple bypass surgery.

Get well, Mr. President!
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#3 Posted on 3.9.04 1248.51
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It's the sexy New York Nurses I feel sorry for!
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#4 Posted on 3.9.04 1326.30
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Thankfully, bypass surgery has become almost routine in the past decade. There's no reason to expect he shouldn't make a full recovery.
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#5 Posted on 3.9.04 1332.20
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Now I feel bad for making the "Clinton steals your fries" joke in the other thread.
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#6 Posted on 3.9.04 1356.32
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    Now I feel bad for making the "Clinton steals your fries" joke in the other thread.


Well, I'm sorry to say that it looks like he stole a few too many.

Get Well Soon, Bubba.
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#7 Posted on 3.9.04 1410.32
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#8 Posted on 3.9.04 1430.25
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    So has anyone yet tried to spin this saying that the Republicans obviously attacked Bill Clinton to take him out of the campaigning to support John Kerry for President?


Was there a need for this. As a lifelong Dem, I still felt terrible about Reagan and his Alzheimers. Sometimes there just isn't any need.
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#9 Posted on 3.9.04 1445.27
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      So has anyone yet tried to spin this saying that the Republicans obviously attacked Bill Clinton to take him out of the campaigning to support John Kerry for President?


    Was there a need for this. As a lifelong Dem, I still felt terrible about Reagan and his Alzheimers. Sometimes there just isn't any need.






I'm not a Bill Clinton fan, but he is a former President, and hopefully he pulls through this. However, this does have a potential negative impact for the Kerry campaign, as it puts the best campaigner the Democratic Party has on the shelf as the election approaches. Its been argued numerous times that Gore shot himself not using Clinton in 2000, it could be Kerry not having Clinton available could be the difference in 2004. And, I think the Republicans were weakened in '92 and '96 not being able to have Reagan 'rally the troops' as election day approached.

(edited by redsoxnation on 3.9.04 1546)
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#10 Posted on 3.9.04 1551.33
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TheVile1: So has anyone yet tried to spin this saying that the Republicans obviously attacked Bill Clinton to take him out of the campaigning to support John Kerry for President?

Nah. The only thing they will say is perfect timing, but not going the full monty like Reagan did.

redsoxnation: I'm not a Bill Clinton fan, but he is a former President, and hopefully he pulls through this. However, this does have a potential negative impact for the Kerry campaign, as it puts the best campaigner the Democratic Party has on the shelf as the election approaches. Its been argued numerous times that Gore shot himself not using Clinton in 2000, it could be Kerry not having Clinton available could be the difference in 2004. And, I think the Republicans were weakened in '92 and '96 not being able to have Reagan 'rally the troops' as election day approached.

That's kind of half and half. Clinton, at this point, is not much of a "rally monkey", if only because the people that voted for Clinton, especially the 2nd term (like me) are back firmly ensconced voting Elephant. Like under Reagan. Gore most likely would have won in a landslide if he would have embraced the "Clinton Doctrine", but that's neither here nor there at this point. GWHB was killed in 92 by Perot and Dole was killed in 96 by people who didn't want to rock the incumbent boat.

DrDirt: Was there a need for this. As a lifelong Dem, I still felt terrible about Reagan and his Alzheimers. Sometimes there just isn't any need.

No doubt. However, once it happens, you have to be prepared for each group using the circumstance for their own benefit. RNC did a great job evoking the Reagan memory...the only thing I have seen from the Dems is Kerry getting a cheap pop for Clinton's misfortune. Outside of political differences, I loved Clinton for being a "look at me I made it Hillbilly" and being bulletproof enough to escape unscathed - THAT'S a man of the people ;-).

JOKE: Ya think the Secret Service will be able to coordinate his Hillary visits and Clinton's own visits with the rest of the girlies that want to "wish him well"?!?!?!

All the best for Bubba. It's always boring without him

and allow room for both candidates to exploit the ruination of Florida. Who said what about "rolling up your sleeves"?

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#11 Posted on 3.9.04 1726.09
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by DrDirt
        Originally posted by The Vile1
        So has anyone yet tried to spin this saying that the Republicans obviously attacked Bill Clinton to take him out of the campaigning to support John Kerry for President?


      Was there a need for this. As a lifelong Dem, I still felt terrible about Reagan and his Alzheimers. Sometimes there just isn't any need.






    I'm not a Bill Clinton fan, but he is a former President, and hopefully he pulls through this. However, this does have a potential negative impact for the Kerry campaign, as it puts the best campaigner the Democratic Party has on the shelf as the election approaches. Its been argued numerous times that Gore shot himself not using Clinton in 2000, it could be Kerry not having Clinton available could be the difference in 2004. And, I think the Republicans were weakened in '92 and '96 not being able to have Reagan 'rally the troops' as election day approached.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 3.9.04 1546)


Redsox, I agree with your assessment. My problem is the Reps attacked Clinton thing.
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#12 Posted on 3.9.04 1817.41
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Liberals have gone as far as saying George Bush and Republicans knew about 9/11 ahead of time and allowed it to happen, have compared the President to Hitler in ads, and just about every worse possible thing you can think of. So I automatically assumed if someone can be insensitive enough to trivialize the Holocaust, they'd have no problem doing what I suggested above.

With that said, I apologize for offending anyone.

(edited by The Vile1 on 3.9.04 1618)
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#13 Posted on 3.9.04 1846.02
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Liberals have gone as far as saying George Bush and Republicans knew about 9/11 ahead of time and allowed it to happen, have compared the President to Hitler in ads, and just about every worse possible thing you can think of.


Ya know, not one "liberal" I know reasonably believes the Bush administration knew about 9/11 prior - nor is there any evidence to support that assertion. I mean, really... I try not to judge all conservatives based on what Pat Robertson or Jerry "I can't open my mouth without something stupid falling out" Falwell say, I think a similar courtesy would be in order.

All in all, try not to take the wackiest thing you've heard and attribute it to an entire group of people.

As far as the "Hitler ads" go, both sides of this have gotten pretty dirty when campaigning against each other - it's not like the Republicans always take the high road.

Personally, I think the Swift Boat ads are pretty disgusting, but thems the political brakes...
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#14 Posted on 3.9.04 2012.55
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    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      Liberals have gone as far as saying George Bush and Republicans knew about 9/11 ahead of time and allowed it to happen, have compared the President to Hitler in ads, and just about every worse possible thing you can think of.


    Ya know, not one "liberal" I know reasonably believes the Bush administration knew about 9/11 prior - nor is there any evidence to support that assertion. I mean, really... I try not to judge all conservatives based on what Pat Robertson or Jerry "I can't open my mouth without something stupid falling out" Falwell say, I think a similar courtesy would be in order.

    All in all, try not to take the wackiest thing you've heard and attribute it to an entire group of people.

    As far as the "Hitler ads" go, both sides of this have gotten pretty dirty when campaigning against each other - it's not like the Republicans always take the high road.

    Personally, I think the Swift Boat ads are pretty disgusting, but thems the political brakes...


Of course I don't mean...EVERY liberal, but whatever.

As for the swift boat ads, I don't care for them, but President Bush agrees with you since he denounced them publically, even though Move On.org has done significantly more inflammatory and demeaning ads towards the president and spent much more money on them then the swift boat vets. So there, the Republicans took the high road, I've yet to hear Democrats or the Kerry camp denounce things like the Hitler ads...in fact I think the only democrat I've heard denounce them was Alan Colmes...I think.
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#15 Posted on 3.9.04 2030.29
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by Leroy
        Originally posted by The Vile1
        Liberals have gone as far as saying George Bush and Republicans knew about 9/11 ahead of time and allowed it to happen, have compared the President to Hitler in ads, and just about every worse possible thing you can think of.


      Ya know, not one "liberal" I know reasonably believes the Bush administration knew about 9/11 prior - nor is there any evidence to support that assertion. I mean, really... I try not to judge all conservatives based on what Pat Robertson or Jerry "I can't open my mouth without something stupid falling out" Falwell say, I think a similar courtesy would be in order.

      All in all, try not to take the wackiest thing you've heard and attribute it to an entire group of people.

      As far as the "Hitler ads" go, both sides of this have gotten pretty dirty when campaigning against each other - it's not like the Republicans always take the high road.

      Personally, I think the Swift Boat ads are pretty disgusting, but thems the political brakes...


    Of course I don't mean...EVERY liberal, but whatever.

    As for the swift boat ads, I don't care for them, but President Bush agrees with you since he denounced them publically, even though Move On.org has done significantly more inflammatory and demeaning ads towards the president and spent much more money on them then the swift boat vets. So there, the Republicans took the high road, I've yet to hear Democrats or the Kerry camp denounce things like the Hitler ads...in fact I think the only democrat I've heard denounce them was Alan Colmes...I think.



Explaining this for the millionth time:
The "Hitler" ads were submitted to the "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest sponsored by Moveon.org, a prominent left-wing 527 group. The goal of the contest was to get an "anti-Bush" commercial aired during the Super Bowl. Literally hundreds of entries flooded in, and Moveon put them on their website for people to vote upon to determine a winner.

Two of the ads, done independantly of Moveon.org, invoked tacky Godwinn's Law violations comparing the Bush regime to the Third Reich. Upon being notified of these entries, MoveOn removed them from their website immediately and issued an apology and denouncement.

The ads were never produced by MoveOn, nor were they ever intended to air. (Nor did they have any connection to John Kerry - even tangentically, as at the time, Howard Dean was far and away the frontrunner, and Kerry looked to become an also-ran.)

Can you find me an actual ad that MoveOn produced and/or aired that said something nearly as inflammatory (not to mention something equally little regard for actual honest-to-goodness facts) as ads attacking a Vietnam veteran and insinuating that he wounded himself to get out of service? Can you find me one from any liberal 527? The Democratic National Committee? The Kerry campaign itself?

I want a real example, but a "There's so many I don't know where to begin" cop-out.

While you're at it, find me one liberal of anything resembling national prominence who's ever suggested that Bush allowed 9/11 to happen. Check Michael Moore, the entire staff of Air America Radio - hell, even check that loopy bastard at Bartcop.com. You still won't find any.
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#16 Posted on 4.9.04 0020.51
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Even just sticking Bill in Arkansas for a month or two before the election might help, given how close everything is bound to be. I'll bet he won't be off his feet for two long, and do some rallying of the troops down home.
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#17 Posted on 4.9.04 0021.36
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Funny how this thread went from "Clinton is having heart surgery, hope he is ok," to "who is slimier in their attack ads, the left or the right?"

A former President is about to go under the knife. Can't we keep the bickering out of this thread and just wish the man well? (I suppose the occasional nurse joke is ok, it IS Clinton after all ;), but still...)

(edited by Pool-Boy on 3.9.04 2221)
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#18 Posted on 4.9.04 0022.19
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
      So has anyone yet tried to spin this saying that the Republicans obviously attacked Bill Clinton to take him out of the campaigning to support John Kerry for President?



Well, if you tune into FoxNews, you'll find out that Bill Clinton was actually ATTACKED BY A HURRICANE!!!!!

(edited by Crimedog on 4.9.04 0122)
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#19 Posted on 4.9.04 1113.09
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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Funny how this thread went from "Clinton is having heart surgery, hope he is ok," to "who is slimier in their attack ads, the left or the right?"

    A former President is about to go under the knife. Can't we keep the bickering out of this thread and just wish the man well? (I suppose the occasional nurse joke is ok, it IS Clinton after all ;), but still...)

    (edited by Pool-Boy on 3.9.04 2221)


Couldn't have said it better. That kind of joke is mandatory where the Slickster is concerned.
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#20 Posted on 4.9.04 1122.43
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Clinton was admitted to New York-Presbyterian Hospital's Milstein Pavilion on Friday for heart bypass surgery after experiencing chest pains and shortness of breath.

HMMMMM...

*"Hail to the Chief" softly in background. Cut to smiling former President Clinton.*

CLINTON: "Hello. I'm Bill Clinton, former President of the United States, here to talk to you about New York-Presbyterian Hospital. As you know, I recently had the fortune to have quadruple bypass surgery at New York-Presbyterian and I must tell you, I could not be prouder of the fine men and women who both performed the surgery and afterward *wink* made sure I was as comfortable as possible. I could not recommend more highly, a medical facility for your needs."

VOICEOVER: "New York-Presbyterian Hospital: Go for the fine medical care. Stay for the sponge baths."

(edited by JayJayDean on 4.9.04 0923)
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