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#1 Posted on 2.9.04 2207.40
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Did anyone else get a Jeff Foxworthy "You might be a Redneck" vibe at any point during that speech?

All in all it was pretty good. I still don't like Ashcroft, but I think I'm probably back to voting for Bush (for at least the next 5 minutes anyway).
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#2 Posted on 2.9.04 2214.14
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Because, by gawd, Iraqi's are Nazi's!

How about that person who got dragged out? That was fun.

And Bob Schieffer sounds like Gordon Solie.
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#3 Posted on 2.9.04 2238.36
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I thought that was a really good speech (even if I did go a little long for my taste). I thought there was a good balance between Bush introducing his agenda for the next four years and pointing out Kerry's flaws.

And for my money, Bush's line about being in trouble when Arnold is correcting his English is priceless.
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#4 Posted on 2.9.04 2332.41
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Only saw one select nugget of it, but someone tell me if this part was representative of the rest of the speech:

The $87 billion. Conveniently, of course (as he'd be a colossal IDIOT to mention it) omitting the reason why Kerry (at least on record) changed to voting against the funding, the section which stripped job protection from some federal workers. I'm not referring to him not saying it, but that he crafted the speech to insinuate that Kerry was going along with the political tide, not that the bill changed. Follows that up with a mocking of Kerry's "politics is complicated" comment.

Was the rest of the speech filled with comments like that? Talking points that have been credibly disproven (although not necessarily publicized all that well)?

I mean, he was never going to get my vote, but I want to know how the same old platitudes are winning over any voters.
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#5 Posted on 3.9.04 0032.22
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Did anyone else get a Jeff Foxworthy "You might be a Redneck" vibe at any point during that speech?
Not as much as during Schwarzenegger's speech, but maybe that's just a family brain thing.

I wish I'd seen more of the DNC so I could do more compare and contrast, but I didn't, so all I can say was I was really impressed with how the RNC was handled. People who only watched the prime time hours on the Big Three really missed out by not hearing McCain and Giuliani on Monday. Schwarzenegger was the guy that most "non-political" people probably watched and he hit a homerun. If any non-pols watched Zell Miller, I have to think the fact that he had that "(D)" next to his name really would have leant some weight to his attacks and maybe turned a few heads - in fact, it was SO effective that (to me) it really seemed like the media really turned their wheels to try to spin it into something BAD for the GOP. Bush was eh, but I loved that entrance, and I loved the intro film (which I don't think made it to the Big Three anyway). I've been watching C-SPAN and MSNBC for the most part. Imus has had almost all the heavyweights on this week and my big star has to go to George H. W. Bush because he's been engaging and entertaining every time I've seen him this week (which, admittedly, was only with Brokaw on the NBC News and with Imus) - you can tell he's at the point in his life where he really doesn't give a damn how his opinions are taken by practically everyone else, and he's loving it. Looks damn good for 80, too!
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#6 Posted on 3.9.04 0032.43
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I enjoyed the way that Bush did not give any acknowledgement other than restraint to the protestors who were escorted out. Of course you might say that he couldn't think of any good one-liners that are not written down, but that's your deal.

I thought the speech was really well done, general enough for the masses to feel emotional towards (good or bad), but specific at times in order to get his point across. He did have some funny written one-liners, and I didn't get any "redneck" vibes from him (other than his walk to the oval stage OF DOOM).

The final few paragraphs were exceptionally delivered, and he made me feel that I am doing the right thing for me in voting for him this November.

And yes, more quick cuts over to Jenna Bush (from the ABC broadcast of the speech) did help as well.
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#7 Posted on 3.9.04 0038.06
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    I enjoyed the way that Bush did not give any acknowledgement other than restraint to the protestors who were escorted out.
You didn't like the wink?! That RULED
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#8 Posted on 3.9.04 0045.33
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I didn't think the content was redneck - it was the delivery. He was doing the whole "If you want blah blah blah blah... (pause)" and I kept filling in "you might be a Redneck". Just to clear that up.
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#9 Posted on 3.9.04 0134.02
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I didn't think the content was redneck - it was the delivery. He was doing the whole "If you want blah blah blah blah... (pause)" and I kept filling in "you might be a Redneck". Just to clear that up.
No no, I got you - I'm just saying Schwarzenegger did it first.
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#10 Posted on 3.9.04 0806.00
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    in fact, it was SO effective that (to me) it really seemed like the media really turned their wheels to try to spin it into something BAD for the GOP.
I wish it weren't like that EVERY time something good happened for the GOP(or the War on Terror, for that matter)

The Speech itself was a Grand Slam. Even the parts I disagreed with(No Child, expanded health care, "opportunity zones" or whatever the hell they were) were delivered well.

And as always, Bush's self-depricating humor is hilarious and on the mark.

The two most popular lines at the party I attended:

"If you gave a speech, as my opponent did, calling the Reagan presidency eight years of "moral darkness," then you may be a lot of things, but the candidate of conservative values is not one of them."

"Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called "walking."
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#11 Posted on 3.9.04 0821.41
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    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
    I thought there was a good balance between Bush introducing his agenda for the next four years and pointing out Kerry's flaws.


Except as POTUS, he should have barely acknowledged Kerry existed. Leave that to VPOTUS and the other attack dogs. He has the perfect platform for election, he's the PRESIDENT. Act presidential and statesmanlike.
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#12 Posted on 3.9.04 0856.45
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Except as POTUS, he should have barely acknowledged Kerry existed. Leave that to VPOTUS and the other attack dogs. He has the perfect platform for election, he's the PRESIDENT. Act presidential and statesmanlike.


But, that is part of, to me at least, George Bush's charm. The fact that he DOESNT carry himself like some grand statesman. Rather, he seems to me, like he is "ONE OF US" Could you see Kerry at gound zero in construction boots, talking into a megaphone to all the workers there? I know I couldnt.

When you see Bush at rallies that are outside, amongst normal, working Joes and Janes, he's in a button up shirt, sleves rolled up, like he is ready to go to work. THATS how I want my President to look. He is, after all, a public servant.

If you were in a diner eating and the one of the two candidates comes in, and asks a question of you, which do you think would really listen to your answer?
To me, GWB is comforting, real, and honest with his intentions and philosophies. John Kerry, to me, posseses none of these traits. That is why I would have to vote for Bush, if I hadnt made my mind up yet.
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#13 Posted on 3.9.04 0913.03
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    If you were in a diner eating and the one of the two candidates comes in, and asks a question of you, which do you think would really listen to your answer?


Picturing it, I can see Kerry nodding absently, then doing a deep sigh, shaking his head and blaming the Bush Administration for whatever the problem is. He'd move on with a forlorn face like he was at a funeral.

President Bush would slap you on the back, give you a nickname, do that weird little half-laugh, try to answer the question with his hands, and then repeat at the next table.

Former President Clinton would distract you and take some of your fries (old SNL skit).
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#14 Posted on 3.9.04 0940.11
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    Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      If you were in a diner eating and the one of the two candidates comes in, and asks a question of you, which do you think would really listen to your answer?


    Picturing it, I can see Kerry nodding absently, then doing a deep sigh, shaking his head and blaming the Bush Administration for whatever the problem is. He'd move on with a forlorn face like he was at a funeral.

    President Bush would slap you on the back, give you a nickname, do that weird little half-laugh, try to answer the question with his hands, and then repeat at the next table.

    Former President Clinton would distract you and take some of your fries (old SNL skit).


"Intercepted by warlords!" - I *loved* that skit! He'd also hit on your girlfriend/wife.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Kerry seems disingenuous, but Bush seems like such a simpleton/puppet.

How come nobody seems to note that the tax breaks could be pulled back for the wealthy without affecting the middle class and this just *might* help address the record defecits?

I dug the protestor, too. Missed the wink, though.
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#15 Posted on 3.9.04 0955.07
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Except as POTUS, he should have barely acknowledged Kerry existed. Leave that to VPOTUS and the other attack dogs. He has the perfect platform for election, he's the PRESIDENT. Act presidential and statesmanlike.


    But, that is part of, to me at least, George Bush's charm. The fact that he DOESNT carry himself like some grand statesman. Rather, he seems to me, like he is "ONE OF US" Could you see Kerry at gound zero in construction boots, talking into a megaphone to all the workers there? I know I couldnt.

    When you see Bush at rallies that are outside, amongst normal, working Joes and Janes, he's in a button up shirt, sleves rolled up, like he is ready to go to work. THATS how I want my President to look. He is, after all, a public servant.

    If you were in a diner eating and the one of the two candidates comes in, and asks a question of you, which do you think would really listen to your answer?
    To me, GWB is comforting, real, and honest with his intentions and philosophies. John Kerry, to me, posseses none of these traits. That is why I would have to vote for Bush, if I hadnt made my mind up yet.


That's fine but he shouldn't be doing the attacking. They are trying to make Kerry look like a bitch. The best way to do that is let hime attack you (POTUS) and don't respond. Let your attack dogs fight back. You are busy being president and above the fray.

See Agnew Nixon in 1968 and 1972. He let Agnew do the attacking and it helped his image.
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#16 Posted on 3.9.04 1031.08
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How come nobody seems to note that the tax breaks could be pulled back for the wealthy without affecting the middle class and this just *might* help address the record defecits?

Because that's exactly how an upwardly mobile economy turns to shit

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#17 Posted on 3.9.04 1052.24
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    How come nobody seems to note that the tax breaks could be pulled back for the wealthy without affecting the middle class and this just *might* help address the record defecits?

    Because that's exactly how an upwardly mobile economy turns to shit

    FLEA


Yeah, I am still getting over how the economy tanked in the 90's after Clinton pushed through that tax raise that killed off the recovery that was just starting to gain steam in 1992 and 1993.
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#18 Posted on 3.9.04 1259.43
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Except as POTUS, he should have barely acknowledged Kerry existed. Leave that to VPOTUS and the other attack dogs. He has the perfect platform for election, he's the PRESIDENT. Act presidential and statesmanlike.


    But, that is part of, to me at least, George Bush's charm. The fact that he DOESNT carry himself like some grand statesman. Rather, he seems to me, like he is "ONE OF US" Could you see Kerry at gound zero in construction boots, talking into a megaphone to all the workers there? I know I couldnt.

    When you see Bush at rallies that are outside, amongst normal, working Joes and Janes, he's in a button up shirt, sleves rolled up, like he is ready to go to work. THATS how I want my President to look. He is, after all, a public servant.

    If you were in a diner eating and the one of the two candidates comes in, and asks a question of you, which do you think would really listen to your answer?
    To me, GWB is comforting, real, and honest with his intentions and philosophies. John Kerry, to me, posseses none of these traits. That is why I would have to vote for Bush, if I hadnt made my mind up yet.


If I was eating in a diner and one of the two candidates came in and asked me a question, I would immediately jump up and start hooting and hollering at the camera that would inevitably follow them in. It's all TOTAL image construction bullshit. Dubya Bush is the son of a multi-millionaire who's probably never done a day of real labour in his life, and yet just because he wears jean shirts and owns a "ranch" in Crawford, he gets this image of an average joe. He showed up at Ground Zero and said a few platitudes into a microphone. While this no doubt did inspire the workers who were there, this doesn't exactly stand out as going beyond the call of duty. Wouldn't ANY president have gone to Ground Zero in this circumstance? It's not like Dubya picked up a shovel and spent a day digging or anything. I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but I honestly just don't see how much leadership that Bush exhibited after the attacks. At least Giuliani was on the ground level, constantly on TV updating New Yorkers about what was happening and trying to coordinate police and fire services.

In the interest of equal time, Kerry tries to present himself as a millionaire who is also one of the people, a dichotomy that is too muddled to really come off as successful. The football-tossing with Edwards on the tarmac is such a cliche that I doubt anyone will see that and say "Wow, Kerry's just a regular joe, he's got my vote, g-yuk!"

The thing about Kerry, however, is that I think he actually comes off as pretty easy to read. If he's elected, you know what you're going to get: four years of leadership that will range anywhere from slightly above average to slightly below average. He's not going to end up on Mount Rushmore, despite his facial resemblance to the side of a mountain, and yet he's also not going to be the tax-raising, terrorist-loving, liberal mountebank that a lot of people on this board seem to characterize him as. With Bush, however, who knows. First term-presidents are usually a bit conservative about what they do since they want to get re-elected, so if the last four years has been Bush holding back, God only knows what the time until 2008 will be like. If you like what he's done so far, you won't have a problem with it. If you don't like what he's done so far, you will gladly take Kerry's B-minus presidency as a gigantic improvement.

This is my own personal preference shining through here, but do you really want your head of state to be an 'average guy'? I've dealt with enough average guys as my bosses, supervisors, teachers, etc. who have been nice enough chaps, but have also been in way over their heads. Call me a naive idealist, but I think the that role of President/Prime Minister should require someone who is a bit intellectual, a bit abstract and obviously far removed from the assistant manager at Beaver Lumber.
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#19 Posted on 3.9.04 1321.38
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    The fact that he DOESNT carry himself like some grand statesman. Rather, he seems to me, like he is "ONE OF US" Could you see Kerry at gound zero in construction boots, talking into a megaphone to all the workers there? I know I couldnt.


And that's exactly what bothers me about Bush - well, one of the many things anyway. He's NOT "one of us". When I watching him playing the "common man cowboy" role, I just want to lose it. He comes from a seriously wealthy and powerful family. Don't give me this "common man" nonesense.

Same goes for Kerry's "snowboarding, hockey, etc" routine. Bleah...
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#20 Posted on 3.9.04 1332.32
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Could you see Kerry at gound zero in construction boots, talking into a megaphone to all the workers there? I know I couldnt.


Please don't tell me that you've bought into the rhetoric so fiercy that you believe that Kerry wouldn't have visited Ground Zero. If you do, you might need to start getting some of your news from places besides talk radio.

    Originally posted by Leroy
    And that's exactly what bothers me about Bush - well, one of the many things anyway. He's NOT "one of us". When I watching him playing the "common man cowboy" role, I just want to lose it. He comes from a seriously wealthy and powerful family. Don't give me this "common man" nonesense.

    Same goes for Kerry's "snowboarding, hockey, etc" routine. Bleah...


Exactly. It's like that phony softball game behind Bush on Tuesday night. I don't even get the point of faking stuff like that. I'd like to say it doesn't fool anyone - but it looks like it does.

Bush comes from a family of power and privledge and has never had to work a day in his life. Kerry comes from an almost equally rich family - and married into a richer one. Neither one of these guys are typical barbeque and softball men of the people, and it's insulting to the American public when they pantomine like they are.
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