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#41 Posted on 2.9.04 2203.22
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    He claims that going to washington made him see what the rest of the democrat party was like and he was out to change it from within. Interesting concept, I guess.


AWA, earlier I thought Miller had some valid points regarding the make up and spirit of the Democrats but over the last year he has gone off the deep end.

As a Dem, I really don't have a problem with his support for Bush, his right as an American. However, his attacks, especially standing on the Republican platform tell me he must want to alienate the Whole Dem party. For his sanity, he should switch parties.
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#42 Posted on 2.9.04 2252.25
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    For his sanity, he should switch parties.


He said that he'd die a democrat, because he became a democrat when it was honorable, or something like that. On some Sunday morning show, he said the Democrats have gone extreme liberal, while the Republicans have gone center. I think that says it all about him, really.
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#43 Posted on 2.9.04 2324.54
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Now, you can judge for yourself who's being more negative, but it's pretty clear which side is focusing (much much) more on bashing their opponent.


That's not accurate. Before the DNC began, one of the supposed plans floating around was that the Dems wanted to distance it from the all the hardcore Bush bashing and be more positive and so forth. However, almost to a man, every network talking head who mentioned that item later pointed out that the plan of "don't bash Bush" apparently meant "don't mention Bush by name while bashing him" because that's what they ended up doing. Between Clinton and Gore's speeches, Bush's name was only said one time. The fact that the word "Bush" was said fewer times than "Kerry" does not mean that Bush was bashed any less.
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#44 Posted on 3.9.04 0815.07
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    The Republicans more or less have to bash Kerry; Kerry has said next to nothing about his agenda, his opinions, etc. I mean, he's for the war, he just wants it waged "sensitively."


I think, except to respond to specific attacks, they should stick to a message of what they are going to do and ignore Kerry otherwise. Make him look insignificant.
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#45 Posted on 3.9.04 1618.35
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Parrots, lemmings, sheep. That's what these conventions all boil down to. It's all just preaching to the choir. The people hear what they want to hear, and I feel they got that at both conventions.

The RNC may have been more effective at getting its message out than the DNC, because Kerry has been made vulnerable throughout August and the RNC had a strong critical message of him during the speeches. Due to it happening late in the year, the Republicans have the advantage heading into September.



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#46 Posted on 6.9.04 1232.12
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I thought this convention really played up the Republicans "us vs. them" mentality. They didn't just criticize Kerry, they bashed his existence... They "heeled" him so much as a coward Un-American you'd think Kerry was John Walker Lindh

Watching the RNC I keep wondering who's the incumbent? The piss and vinegar attack on Kerry you'd think he the one who had 4 years of doing a horrible job as President... And what is with the bandaids and purple hearts on it on delegates faces and saying stuff like "I cut myself shaving I need a purple heart". Can you BE anymore disrespectful and (I'll say it) disgusting, that is f*ckin petty and low. They are so for supporting the troops unless they are democrats then lets undermine everything they did.
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#47 Posted on 6.9.04 1914.11
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I thought this convention really played up the Republicans "us vs. them" mentality. They didn't just criticize Kerry, they bashed his existence... They "heeled" him so much as a coward Un-American you'd think Kerry was John Walker Lindh

    Watching the RNC I keep wondering who's the incumbent? The piss and vinegar attack on Kerry you'd think he the one who had 4 years of doing a horrible job as President... And what is with the bandaids and purple hearts on it on delegates faces and saying stuff like "I cut myself shaving I need a purple heart". Can you BE anymore disrespectful and (I'll say it) disgusting, that is f*ckin petty and low. They are so for supporting the troops unless they are democrats then lets undermine everything they did.


The GOP brass realized they made a boo-boo over that one. The talking heads did all they could to distance their party from those delegates wearing them.

Still, it looked bad....how do you "support the troops" while at the same time belittling the sacrifices their predecessors made in a foreign theater?
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#48 Posted on 6.9.04 2100.56
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    Originally posted by Malarky
    Still, it looked bad....how do you "support the troops" while at the same time belittling the sacrifices their predecessors made in a foreign theater?


If you are John Kerry, you run for President.
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#49 Posted on 6.9.04 2139.36
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I thought this convention really played up the Republicans "us vs. them" mentality. They didn't just criticize Kerry, they bashed his existence... They "heeled" him so much as a coward Un-American you'd think Kerry was John Walker Lindh

    Watching the RNC I keep wondering who's the incumbent? The piss and vinegar attack on Kerry you'd think he the one who had 4 years of doing a horrible job as President... And what is with the bandaids and purple hearts on it on delegates faces and saying stuff like "I cut myself shaving I need a purple heart". Can you BE anymore disrespectful and (I'll say it) disgusting, that is f*ckin petty and low. They are so for supporting the troops unless they are democrats then lets undermine everything they did.


The Republican us vs. them mentality? The GOP isn't the party that sees "two Americas." The GOP isn't the party that wants you to think the only barriers to utopia are evil drug companies and that damned Halliburton.

As for the purple heart Band-Aids, I interpret that differently. Rather than seeing these people as mocking Kerry's service, perhaps these people see Kerry as mocking the service of others. Claiming not one but three purple hearts and never being injured enough to go to the hospital strikes me as rather disrespectful to men like Bob Dole, who was shot so badly he wasn't expected to live, and John McCain, who spent years in a Vietnamese prison camp.

I don't think anyone is mocking Kerry's service, per se. I have no problem with what Kerry did in Vietnam. But when I look at Kerry's record, I see a guy who did his damndest to come home early, who has tried to have it both ways, who has painted himself as a hero and a war criminal for political expediency, and who generally has treated his four months of combat service as a prop. A lot of men left a lot more blood and a lot more friends on the ground there than John Kerry did, and for their sake I think he ought to maintain a more respectful silence.
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#50 Posted on 6.9.04 2228.56
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Claiming not one but three purple hearts and never being injured enough to go to the hospital strikes me as rather disrespectful to men like Bob Dole, who was shot so badly he wasn't expected to live, and John McCain, who spent years in a Vietnamese prison camp.


So you should only be honored by the level of your wounds? That your sacrifice is defined by how bad you got fucked up in a war? Whether it was a paper cut or a missing limb, Kerry put himself in harm's way and had a great chance of winding up in a bodybag. Complainto the Navy about what the Purple Heart is awarded for if you don't like it, not Kerry for having them.

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    But when I look at Kerry's record, I see a guy who did his damndest to come home early, who has tried to have it both ways, who has painted himself as a hero and a war criminal for political expediency, and who generally has treated his four months of combat service as a prop. A lot of men left a lot more blood and a lot more friends on the ground there than John Kerry did, and for their sake I think he ought to maintain a more respectful silence.


I strongly disagree. Kerry was on record before the US went into Vietnam, that he thought it was a war that they could not win. Yet when it came time for him to serve, he could have taken his rich ass to Canada but no, he went to serve in a place with a very high percentage of death.

You're blaming him for trying to get back early? Who wouldn't want to come back ASAP from a war? He still went and fought. That's a lot more then the Vietnam War Supporters in the White House, who found every way NOT to fight a war they believed in and still do.

If you've read his transcripts, Kerry didn't say that all soldiers were war criminals once. Not once did his indicate that it was their fault for the war crimes they had admitted to him that they had done. His point was that it was the Administration's fault for putting them in that situation. In a situation where they didn't know who was the enemy, they didn't know why they were fighting, and a lot of them did terrible things because of the environment they were.

A lot has been attributed to Kerry from that period that he never said but what other war protesters were about. Kerry could have come back and been a war hero and shut his mouth about a ridiculous war and a black mark in the great history of the United States of America. A lot of people got hurt because people didn't understand the difference between the soldiers and the government.

But do you know what would have been worse then what happened to them when they came home? If everyone back then would have shut the fuck up, towed the line, and let the death toll keep rising and rising and rising.

I saw one of those Swift Boat Vets For 'Truth' on a talk show the other day and it became clear what their motivation is. They still think that the Vietnam War was justified and they're pissed about how it ended.

IMHO, soldiers getting all that shit when they came back was tragic but not as tragic as if they had not come back at all.

I don't agree with what NHS said about Republicans. It's too easy to label people like that. I'll never understand belonging to a political party but not every Republican is like the ones feeding you talking points on TV. They're just regular people trying to pick the lesser of two evils every 4 years and feed their families.

Personally, I would like Howard Dean as the next President of the United States but every one pussed out when he did what we've been begging our politicians to do and break from the cyborg robot mold.

EDIT: This post is brought to you by the poorly placed commas that I don't feel like fixing.


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