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#1 Posted on 2.9.04 0712.36
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I'm afraid the Democrats played their convention way to nice. I'm not sure that being the nice guy works in politics. I don't know if it looks weak or what, but it didn't work for me and I'm on board with the Democrats this year.

The RNC really has their shit together. They somehow brought McCain back on board (I'd like to know what he was promised) and 'America's Mayor' Rudy Guliani. Democrat Sen. Zell Miller was paraded onstage while the Dems had ... Maria Shriver. Not only that they're taking shots at Kerry with all the right people. Bush won't have to even mention him when it comes his turn. At the same time Ted Kennedy seemed reigned in on his speech.

I think the Democrats are just getting out played in the game of politics right now. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush gets twice the spike Kerry got after his convention. The Democrats better have a much better showing at the debates or else it's probably going to take a huge Bush blunder to stop re-election.

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#2 Posted on 2.9.04 0725.58
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Tell you the truth, in my own jaundiced opinion, I noticed a disticnt difference.

The Democratic Convention was based around fear and pessimism, focusing on all that is wrong with America.

The Republican Convention is based on hope and optimism, foucsing on all this is right with America.


It's why Kerry is going to get creamed two months from today.
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#3 Posted on 2.9.04 0756.11
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Some local radio hosts did mention this morning that Cheney's speech last night didn't answer any questions about the GOP's plan for the future, but just hammered on Kerry.

I'm assuming W will take care of that tonight, leaving Dick to be the heavy.

And a side note: the Brown County, WI GOP HQ sez Bush/Cheney yard signs (yes, I called 'cause I want one) won't be available 'round these parts until the end of September. Good or bad sign?
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#4 Posted on 2.9.04 0822.13
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Probably means that they are completely out of signs and that they are on backorder...
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#5 Posted on 2.9.04 0827.51
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Tell you the truth, in my own jaundiced opinion, I noticed a disticnt difference.

    The Democratic Convention was based around fear and pessimism, focusing on all that is wrong with America.

    The Republican Convention is based on hope and optimism, foucsing on all this is right with America.


    It's why Kerry is going to get creamed two months from today.


From what I have watched, the theme of the convention is that Kerry is a bitch. I saw little hope and optimism.
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#6 Posted on 2.9.04 0843.40
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    From what I have watched, the theme of the convention is that Kerry is a bitch. I saw little hope and optimism.


I agree. Both conventions bored me to tears, and did nothing but spout the party line and blast the other guy. There's very little optimism that I see, unless you count on Bush being another strong leader if/when we get attacked again.

Zell Miller, to me, seemed more senile and crazy than anything (Wendell Willkie??), but maybe it's just because I don't like the guy.

This campaign (by both sides) actually has me turning off the TV whenever coverage comes on. I'm not sure what Kerry is doing, besides sabotaging his own campaign, and the Republicans have me feeling unpatriotic and a traitor because I've dared to question the direction the president is taking the nation. If the conventions were meant to sway undecideds, it hasn't worked on me.
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#7 Posted on 2.9.04 0844.24
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I found Vice-President Cheney to be the most boring, monotone speaker since Al Gore. His speech was a systematic, calm, and complete dismantling of Senator Kerry. Had Kerry been there in person, I would have expected him to run from the room crying.

I didn't really know who Zell Miller was before this week, but after watching him rage last night, I'm surprised he is a member of the Democratic party. I don't think he was a particularly good person to put in such a prime speaking role.

If anything has surprised me from the RNC this week, it's how good a speaker Arnold Schwarzanegger is. I expected to be howling through it, but he did an excellent job for the party. He really gave a good accounting of the "American dream", which is the feeling I always had about the USA in the 80s under Reagan.

Also, the President's daughter Barbara is hot.

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#8 Posted on 2.9.04 0845.12
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    The Democratic Convention was based around fear and pessimism, focusing on all that is wrong with America.


Wouldn't that be normal for someone trying to get elected over an incumbent? How much would it make sense for the Dems to be focusing on what a GREAT shape the country is in, since they'd essentially be praising the guy they want to defeat.

    Originally posted by Grimis
    The Republican Convention is based on hope and optimism, foucsing on all this is right with America.


Again, if the incumbent is trying to get re-elected, what OTHER focus would there be? "You're probably not doing as well as you were four years ago...re-elect George W. Bush for President"?

    Originally posted by Grimis
    It's why Kerry is going to get creamed two months from today.


If you REALLY believe that, can we agree now that most of your anti-Kerry "informational" posts are, then, COMPLETELY unnecessary because Bush's re-election is such a sure thing?
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#9 Posted on 2.9.04 0917.28
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    If you REALLY believe that, can we agree now that most of your anti-Kerry "informational" posts are, then, COMPLETELY unnecessary because Bush's re-election is such a sure thing?
Actually they are not, since the Kerry apologists here could probably use the re-education...
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#10 Posted on 2.9.04 1022.29
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Tell you the truth, in my own jaundiced opinion, I noticed a disticnt difference.

    The Democratic Convention was based around fear and pessimism, focusing on all that is wrong with America.

    The Republican Convention is based on hope and optimism, foucsing on all this is right with America.


    It's why Kerry is going to get creamed two months from today.



Are you kidding? Perhaps you've taken off work and are spending all day watching C-SPAN, so are seeing a lot more, but, going by what has presented at primetime, this is completely false. Last night was an hour of explaining how bad John Kerry is. No hope. No optimism. Just one solid hour of "fear and pessimism" if he were to get elected. Nobody has said very much about the President, and how he is going to lead the country into the future. It's as if Kerry is the incumbent here. It goes without saying that I am no fan of the current administration, but spending your party's convention trashing your opponent does not seem to be the smartest move. The ball is in the incumbents court, and the last thing they should have to do is go for a foul.
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#11 Posted on 2.9.04 1024.38
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      If you REALLY believe that, can we agree now that most of your anti-Kerry "informational" posts are, then, COMPLETELY unnecessary because Bush's re-election is such a sure thing?
    Actually they are not, since the Kerry apologists here could probably use the re-education...


Why is the re-education necessary if there isn't enough of them to threaten Bush's chances for re-election? It's not like if they change their minds they'll suddenly get into heaven or anything...

(edited by JayJayDean on 2.9.04 0824)
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#12 Posted on 2.9.04 1028.54
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I haven't watched much, but I am told that apparently there was a mention of September 11, 2001, in passing I believe. And possibly something about John Kerry not being qualified.

Thus far the big stories from this convention as I've seen them reported are:

1. Republicans don't like Michael Moore
2. Bush is Churchill
3. All the GOP people the public likes are out of step with most GOP social policy (Rudy, McCain, Arnold)
4. Alan Keyes hates lesbians (though this is mostly due to the local angle here causing me to get a lot of that)
5. Lots of people like to protest against Bush
6. John Kerry hates America

Not a whole lot of optimism. Hell, Barack Obama was more optimistic then everything I've seen in this entire convention.
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#13 Posted on 2.9.04 1030.48
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Also, if they can't even keep some stupid kids from infiltrating their convention hall, how the hell are we supposed to trust them with protecting the country from another terrorist attack?
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#14 Posted on 2.9.04 1031.48
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If you missed the Vice-President's speech, here it is summed up nicely.
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#15 Posted on 2.9.04 1032.39
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Tell you the truth, in my own jaundiced opinion, I noticed a disticnt difference.

    The Democratic Convention was based around fear and pessimism, focusing on all that is wrong with America.

    The Republican Convention is based on hope and optimism, foucsing on all this is right with America.


    It's why Kerry is going to get creamed two months from today.



Well thanks for stating the obvious. Do you honestly expect the incumbent party to hold a pessimistic convention? What are they going to rant about, their own futility?
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#16 Posted on 2.9.04 1034.44
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Sure, it's somewhat of what we expected. Except the Democrats offered nothing as an alternative other than "Bush Bad" "Kerry Good." The Democrats have to do better than that to get people to vote for Kerry, but the Democratic agenda is too far outside of the mainstream to accomplish that for them.

Instead, they are left with Kerry going down in flames for the next sixty days...
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#17 Posted on 2.9.04 1059.18
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Sure, it's somewhat of what we expected. Except the Democrats offered nothing as an alternative other than "Bush Bad" "Kerry Good." The Democrats have to do better than that to get people to vote for Kerry, but the Democratic agenda is too far outside of the mainstream to accomplish that for them.

    Instead, they are left with Kerry going down in flames for the next sixty days...

I really want to come visit the world you watch things in.

Thus far the Democratic agenda as it's been put forward this year:

-Stop terrorism
-quit pissing off our allies
-make health care more accessible
-improve our economy
-no tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy

They had been doing a good job of staying on message until the whole Swift Boat thing became the Story That Would Not Die.

As for the next 60 days, if you seriously think this election is going to have more than a 2 point gap, you are viewing the world you want to see rather than what is. I think Bush is likely going to eke out a victory, but I guarantee Kerry gets 48-49% minimum.
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#18 Posted on 2.9.04 1309.45
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Just as a sidenote, as a speaker Cheney has all the presence of Bob Balaban in "A Mighty Wind", only not quite as charistmatic.

"Please be careful of the rose thorns..."

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#19 Posted on 2.9.04 1418.44
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    Thus far the Democratic agenda as it's been put forward this year:

    -Stop terrorism
    -quit pissing off our allies
    -make health care more accessible
    -improve our economy
    -no tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy


I really haven't seen much focus from Kerry on stopping terrorism. He'll fight back when attacked, but that seems to be it. Which is respectable, but leaves me wondering what he's going to do whilst the proverbial barbarians are massing outside the gates. I'd like to hear the Democrat definition of wealthy, too. My dad made some good money in the IT industry, and would likely have been qualified by your party as "ultra-wealthy," since he made 6 figures. However, he's since been laid off, like so many others, and if he doesn't find a job sooner than later will likely have to sell the house. I imagine if Al Gore were president four years ago, and ratcheted taxes up 10-25% on my dad (and maybe 35-40% on CEO types, to bring taxes to pre-Reagan levels), my family would be in a different situation. And we live in an average suburbanite raised ranch, no different than the thousands of others in the town where we live. What I'm trying to say in all that, I think, is that I don't believe that the Democrats will limit their taxation to the board of directors. Anyone who's worked hard and made a good life for themselves is a target. This hits rather close to home for me. My father is the son of Irish immigrants and doesn't even hold a college degree. For Kerry, or any Democrat, to come in here and contend that somehow he needs his tax burden increased makes me quite angry. The seemingly prevailing attitude among Democrats that anyone with money is simply luckier than the next guy (cf. Zell Miller of ten years ago) just strikes me as class warfare to win the votes of anyone with a chip on their shoulder re: their station in life.

Besides, the Republicans have done a similar job of presenting their agenda through inference and sounbites (hopefully Bush clears that up tonight).

-Stop terrorism at its source (and maybe anything close to its source)
-Don't bend over for France
-Stay the course, our economy is improving
-Tax cuts for everybody!

The substance of the Republican convention so far has been completely devoted to the Bush/Kerry comparison, sure (and the ways in which it is favorable to Bush). However, what did you hear at the Democrat convention? That John Kerry was in Vietnam? At least Bush is campaigning against Kerry, and not stuck 30 years in the past ranting about LBJ.
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#20 Posted on 2.9.04 1433.53
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Palp, the things you bring up are definitely legitimate issues for discussion. However, in response to the idea that the agenda that the Dems are pushing and have pushed all this year is some sort of bizarre radical leftist mantra like Grimis was proposing, that's the part I would argue with.

And I'll give the GOP credit for keeping this convention (at least the scheduled speakers) tight and on message. They kept anyone who might want to talk about things that are hot-button issues clamped down pretty much, and are trying to present a compassionate yet strong-willed face to the country. Of course to do it they had to get three of their left-most members and a Democrat to do it, but whatever's clever ;)
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