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#1 Posted on 31.8.04 1059.22
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=espn25/greatestseasons/25

Here is the top ten:

1. BARRY BONDS, 2001, San Francisco Giants (.328, 73 HR, 137 RBI, 177 walks, .515 OBP, .863 SLG, MVP)
2. TIGER WOODS, 2000 (9 tournament wins, three majors (U.S. Open, British, PGA) )
3. MICHAEL JORDAN, 1991, Chicago Bulls (31.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, 53.9 FG%, MVP, Finals MVP)
4. WAYNE GRETZKY, 1985, Edmonton Oilers (73 goals, 135 assists, 208 points, MVP, playoff MVP)
5. STEFFI GRAF, 1988 (Won 4 Grand Slam events, Olympic gold, 72-3 record)
6. STEVE YOUNG, 1994, San Francisco 49ers (3,969 yards, 8.6 ypa, 35 TDs, 10 INT, 112.8 QB rating, MVP)
7. MICHAEL JORDAN, 1989, Chicago Bulls (32.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg, 2.9 spg, 53.8 FG%)
8. DAN MARINO, 1984, Miami Dolphins (5,084 yards, 9.0 ypa, 48 TDs, 17 INT, 108.9 QB rating, MVP)
9. BARRY SANDERS, 1988, Oklahoma State (2,850 rushing yards, 7.3 per carry, 44 TDs, Heisman)
10. MAGIC JOHNSON, 1987, Los Angeles Lakers (23.9 ppg, 12.2 apg, 6.3 rpg, 52.2 FG%, MVP, Finals MVP)
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#2 Posted on 31.8.04 1114.07
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This list along with the entire ESPN 25 List concept is very flawed. How was this ranked on winning? on stats? a combo of both? This is such a general thing and I think its impossible to mix all the sports over the last 25 years and come up with a fair list of "Top Seasons". How is my boy Barry considered to have the best season of the past 25 years when he didn't win anything? Shouldn't winning have to do with being the best at something?
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#3 Posted on 31.8.04 1120.26
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As ESPN celebrates the past 25 years in sports, Page 2 celebrates those athletes who transcended their teams and sports, who amazed us with the greatest individual seasons over the past 25 years.

The concept? Simple. Which athlete had the best season? We spent hours checking the numbers, analyzing their value, adjusting for the context of their stats (for example, NBA games see fewer points scored now than in the 1980s while baseball games see more home runs and higher ERAs). We factored in playoff heroics as merited. We jigged and jimmied, knocked a few athletes off at the last minute and added more deserving candidates.

And we arrived at our list of the 100 greatest individual seasons of the past 100 years.
(NOTE FROM JJD: It IS the last 25 years, not 100 years.)

Enjoy -- and let the debate begin.

(Note: Sports considered include NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, college football, college basketball, golf, tennis and NASCAR. One rule: no athlete could have more than three seasons on the list.)


I actually thought this list is the best one they've come up with yet. The movies one they had was quite awful.

Bonds set both the Home Run record and the OBP record in 2001, and from a historical context I'd say it should be #1. I'd flip-flop Gretzky and Jordan at 3 and 4 and move Barry Sanders up to 5, myself.
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#4 Posted on 31.8.04 1136.32
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    Bonds set both the Home Run record and the OBP record in 2001, and from a historical context I'd say it should be #1. I'd flip-flop Gretzky and Jordan at 3 and 4 and move Barry Sanders up to 5, myself.


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I'm not so sure about that. If you judge just based on historical context, then I think you have to go with Tiger's year. Barry hit his 73 not long after McGuire & Sosa hit 70 & 66 respectively, so the 73 was not that big of a deal (comparatively). Tiger's 9 wins & 3 majors, however, was pretty much unparalleled since Hogan at least!!
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#5 Posted on 31.8.04 1144.22
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Enh. The entire list is so...pointless. It really and truly is, especially when you consider how subjective it is.
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#6 Posted on 31.8.04 1148.39
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I'd say either Tiger's 2000 run or Magic's 1987 run, because they won the big one or in Tiger's case big ones. I know Bonds it he current home run leader, but I don't think its the best season ever unless they won the series. Plus, Sosa and McGuire had all the pressure with the Babe Ruth curse, so it was easier for him, because he wasn't chasing a ghost like Mark and Sammy.
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#7 Posted on 31.8.04 1206.20
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    I'd say either Tiger's 2000 run or Magic's 1987 run, because they won the big one or in Tiger's case big ones.


How exactly does winning the "big one" absolutely define how great a season an individual has playing a team sport? Barry Sanders' OSU team didn't win the "big one", so does that outwigh the fact that he rushed for almost 500 yards more than anyone else ever has? Was Danny Wuerffel's 1996 season somehow better because he won the Heisman and the National Championship? No one would argue THAT, right?

Did a Florida Marlin have the best baseball season last year? Did a Patriot have the best football season? Did a Piston have the best basketball season? No, no, and no.
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#8 Posted on 31.8.04 1224.15
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Tiger's run has to be the most impressive to me (but I love to play golf, so my view is skewed).

Tiger would get the nod because he won just about everything that there was to win in his sport and for the most part, he won walking away. He even set such a high standard for himself that doing something as simple as his smashing of the record for consecutive cuts made on tour is largely ignored as people point out his "slump".

Bonds had a great year, but he didn't distort perspective to the point that anything less than 73 homers is considered a bad year.
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#9 Posted on 31.8.04 1319.37
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    Originally posted by A Fan
    I'd say either Tiger's 2000 run or Magic's 1987 run, because they won the big one or in Tiger's case big ones. I know Bonds it he current home run leader, but I don't think its the best season ever unless they won the series. Plus, Sosa and McGuire had all the pressure with the Babe Ruth curse, so it was easier for him, because he wasn't chasing a ghost like Mark and Sammy.


If you think Magic in 87 should be on top, should'nt Bird in 86 be top 10 at least? comparing the 2...

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MAGIC JOHNSON, 1987, Los Angeles Lakers
23.9 ppg, 12.2 apg, 6.3 rpg, 52.2 FG%, MVP, Finals MVP
Pat Riley asked Magic to score more in '87 and he did, setting a career in scoring average. More importantly, in the series that would determine the team of the '80s, the Lakers knocked off the Celtics, as Magic averaged 26 points and 13 assists, and hit his famous "baby skyhook" to win Game 4 at the buzzer.


And...

26
LARRY BIRD, 1986, Boston Celtics
25.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 6.8 apg, 49.6 FG%, MVP, Finals MVP
In the championship victory over the Rockets, Bird nearly averaged a triple double -- 24.0 points, 9.7 rebounds and 9.5 assists.


This list proves what I have always thought. The so-called "east coast bias" is a myth, at least at ESPN. If anything, there is at ESPN a "NY and California bias", and quite possibly an "anti-Boston bias". I mean, Pedro in 99 couldn't crack the top 10? More on Bird and Magic...

49
MAGIC JOHNSON, 1989, Los Angeles Lakers
22.5 ppg, 12.8 apg, 7.9 rpg, MVP
Magic could do it all on the court and even added the 3-point shot to his arsenal for the first time in '89. An injured hamstring limited Johnson in the Finals against Detroit and the Pistons swept the Lakers.

90
LARRY BIRD, 1987, Boston Celtics
28.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 7.6 asp, 52.5 FG%
Larry Legend had his best all-around numbers in '87, even if his three-year reign as NBA MVP ended. Downgraded for losing the NBA Finals, when he shot a combined 20 for 53 the final three games.


So Bird gets "downgraded" in 87 but Magic still cracks the top 50 in 89? Granted Magic (and Byron Scott) were limited due to injuries in that finals against Detroit, which led to a 4-0 series win for the Pistons. While Bird was relatively healthy in 87 (he did have tendinitis in his elbow) both Parish and Ainge were playing on ankles that were far from 100% (they had both sprained them earlier in the playoffs that year), 2 important bench guys from the 86 team (Bill Walton and Scott Wedman)missed most and all of the season respectively, and Kevin McHale was playing on a broken foot. The only bench the C's had for most of that season and playoffs were Greg Kite and Jerry Sichting. They still give the 87 Lakers (voted the best NBA teanm of all time on NBA.com) a battle and take them to a 6 game series. They didn't get swept like the Lakers did in 89 against Detroit. Bird was basically carrying the C's in the 87 finals by himself. The 20-53 shooting over the last 3 games of that series is understandable.

This ESPN list is like most of their lists they've come out with this year for their 25th anniversary; crap.

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#10 Posted on 31.8.04 1329.19
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Enh. The entire list is so...pointless. It really and truly is, especially when you consider how subjective it is.


Holy crap, I am going to agree with Grimis. Lists, in and of themselves, are not inherently bad. Lists like this one, though, are not very credible. Trying to equate greatness between different sports is so subjective. I think it's subjective enough trying to decide who is the MVP in ONE sport in ONE year, much less compare different seasons in different sports.
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#11 Posted on 31.8.04 1913.11
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ESPN is rapidly closing in on VH1 for channel with most number of "list shows."

Still, it's better than Dream Job, which is starting again soon, unfortunately.
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#12 Posted on 31.8.04 2007.54
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    Originally posted by pieman
    Holy crap, I am going to agree with Grimis.
Dude, I dont even KNOW you anymore.
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#13 Posted on 31.8.04 2234.50
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No, I can't agree. I think like all ESPN lists, they're kissing Jordan and Tiger's butts and overlooking Wayne Gretsky who is the single most dominant player of all time. He should be number one on the list, he should've been number one on their best records list, he should've been number one on the 100 greatest athletes of the century and so on.
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#14 Posted on 1.9.04 1128.02
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    ...Wayne Gretsky who is the single most dominant player of all time. He should be number one on the list, he should've been number one on their best records list, he should've been number one on the 100 greatest athletes of the century and so on.


I'm sorry. Who is kissing whose ass?

I agree with you, though. ESPN has got some kinda hard-on for MJ. I was kinda shocked Hulk Hogan wasn't on the list. I think his 1986 was one of the greatest seasons ever (Bundy, Orndorff, etc.).

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 1.9.04 1228)
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#15 Posted on 1.9.04 1505.27
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I doubt anyone will ever touch Gretzky's 1985 in professional hockey. No one has ever come close, except for Gretzky himself. I could see the 3 ahead of him being broken. It'll be tough but it'll be done before anyone even comes close to topping Gretzky's 85.

No one man has ever dominated a team sport like Wayne Gretzky.
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