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#1 Posted on 26.8.04 1533.38
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Keeps getting worse for Kerry doesn't it.

This gentlemen served on a Swift Boat(that's ON THE BOAT for those of you mincing words) longer than any other individual and says Kerry is full of shit.

In the grand scheme of things, it is no more or less damning than the others. But the fact of the matter is that Kerry's kvetching about this has enabled the SwiftVets to raise more and more money from anti-Kerry individuals and keep making more and more ads.
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#2 Posted on 26.8.04 1542.20
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I'm pretty sure that's the guy Roger Hedgecock(sp?) had on Rush today during my lunch break. If so he doesn't even come across as believable when he's being coddled by the interviewer.

They better not let this guy anywhere NEAR Chris Matthews.
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#3 Posted on 26.8.04 1547.19
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Do we have to have a new thread everytime these guys does anything? Hasn't there got to be something out there resembling a real issue we could discuss, rather than the fact that some people who almost didn't quite serve with Kerry in Vietnam 30 years ago aren't happy that he protested the war when he got home? Do you honestly think this nonsense is going to change anyone's mind?
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#4 Posted on 26.8.04 1621.43
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#5 Posted on 26.8.04 1832.11
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Do you honestly think this nonsense is going to change anyone's mind?
Sounds like it already has in a number of states.

    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    What, are you new?

    Dont you know that everytime anybody has anything even remotely un-positive to say about John Kerry, you WILL find a brand new thread about it RIGHT HERE, IN THE GRIMIS COMMEMORATIVE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BASHING FOLDER!?

    *Thumbs up, cheap pop*
That is the greatest reply in the history of this forum.
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#6 Posted on 26.8.04 1846.56
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My only grip with Grimis is, as a fellow Republican he never brings a original opinion. Everything he says is just being echoed from things he sees on T.V. or in print. Damn near verbatim. It is hard for me to take someone serious when all they do is repeat what some blow hard spoon feeds him. But he is young, as he gets older maybe he will realize everything isn't left or right, black or white, or good and evil.
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#7 Posted on 26.8.04 1926.06
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Do we have to have a new thread everytime these guys does anything? Hasn't there got to be something out there resembling a real issue we could discuss, rather than the fact that some people who almost didn't quite serve with Kerry in Vietnam 30 years ago aren't happy that he protested the war when he got home? Do you honestly think this nonsense is going to change anyone's mind?


and the difference between that and you pointing out Bush misspeaking, or saying something that didnt sound like it was written on a cue card for him is......?
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#8 Posted on 26.8.04 1956.48
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    the difference between that and you pointing out Bush misspeaking, or saying something that didnt sound like it was written on a cue card for him is......?


The difference for me is that Bush just doesn't seem intelligent. I mean, do you remember when Clinton's tele-prompter broke and he talked off the top of his head for about an hour? Do you think Jr. could do that? I always want to feel like my President is waaay smarter than I am. Not so with GW. Sorry.

On this Swift Boat ad: Vietnam was such a polarizing war that bringing it up in any election is just tired. Who wanted to go to that war? Who agreed with it? It was never actually declared. People were passionate about it (for and against). Just becasue someone went to war doesn't mean that they 1000% supported it and felt good about it and just because someone opposed it doesn't make them a communist or a coward.
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#9 Posted on 26.8.04 2011.59
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    Originally posted by DrOp
    The difference for me is that Bush just doesn't seem intelligent. I mean, do you remember when Clinton's tele-prompter broke and he talked off the top of his head for about an hour? Do you think Jr. could do that? I always want to feel like my President is waaay smarter than I am. Not so with GW. Sorry.

    On this Swift Boat ad: Vietnam was such a polarizing war that bringing it up in any election is just tired. Who wanted to go to that war? Who agreed with it? It was never actually declared. People were passionate about it (for and against). Just becasue someone went to war doesn't mean that they 1000% supported it and felt good about it and just because someone opposed it doesn't make them a communist or a coward.


Granted, the man doesnt speak well. He doesnt SOUND intellegent. But, if being able to ramble on for an hour makes you somehow more qualified to run a nation, I am sure there are a lot of ex girlfriends on mine who can be President. Being able to be a good public speaker helped Clinton get into the White House, no doubt about it. But, that didnt help him be a good President either.

As far as the other things with Viet Nam is concerned, I agree, its not something that needs to be brought up. I have my own opinions of it, but, that shouldnt be my only factor in deciding who I should entust with my vote. Its a damn shame that for almost a month now, thats all that we have heard.
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#10 Posted on 26.8.04 2031.30
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    As far as the other things with Viet Nam is concerned, I agree, its not something that needs to be brought up. I have my own opinions of it, but, that shouldnt be my only factor in deciding who I should entust with my vote. Its a damn shame that for almost a month now, thats all that we have heard.


Sure, but let's check out the facts. A month ago, Kerry goes to the DNC in a swift-boat look-alike with his buds and freaking LANDS at the convention, doing a MacArthur, for God's sake. Then a free commercial in the form of a film at the DNC spends MORE THAN HALF of the time on the vietman part of Kerry's life and barely touches his 20 years in the Senate. (Good reason for that, but that's another story). Then the Senator "Reports for Duty" and references his vietnam service in his free televised speech on all networks over and over.

I wonder if the Vietnam thing was supposed to be important? But then, these swift boat guys bring out their guns, so to speak. And whether or not the 507 is influenced or run by the Bush camp, the buzz was there.

So Kerry talks about Vietnam, his synchophants talk about it, his buds talk about it and the guys who oppose him talk about it. Bush just says he admired his service.

Nobody's talking about anything else? What are we supposed to talk about? Kerry not voting in the senate most of the last three years? When he did vote, having the balls to vote to slash intelligence funding while not attending committee meetings?

Oh yeah, it's gotta be positive.
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#11 Posted on 26.8.04 2050.24
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Well, I agree with your sentiments AWA. My problem is, with all that is going on in the world, all that is going on in the country, with the economy being iffy, with the war, with all the problems that judges are giving us determining laws on thier own, I would rather hear about definitive plans to change how things are going and how we are going to get the country on track to go to the future and have the world a safer place.

All this BS about Viet Nam is tired. If you dont have an opinion about it by now, and about the people involved on both sides of this particular issue, hearing more reports about how bad this guy is, or what a liar that guy is, isnt going to help you any.
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#12 Posted on 26.8.04 2108.31
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    Originally posted by DrOp
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      the difference between that and you pointing out Bush misspeaking, or saying something that didnt sound like it was written on a cue card for him is......?


    The difference for me is that Bush just doesn't seem intelligent. I mean, do you remember when Clinton's tele-prompter broke and he talked off the top of his head for about an hour? Do you think Jr. could do that? I always want to feel like my President is waaay smarter than I am. Not so with GW. Sorry.

    On this Swift Boat ad: Vietnam was such a polarizing war that bringing it up in any election is just tired. Who wanted to go to that war? Who agreed with it? It was never actually declared. People were passionate about it (for and against). Just becasue someone went to war doesn't mean that they 1000% supported it and felt good about it and just because someone opposed it doesn't make them a communist or a coward.


I call bullshit on the communist/coward canard.

It's Kerry and his allies (and his wife, whom I like, truth be told) that are calling his opponents on the right unamerican. It's wrong to question Kerry on his lies and embellishments, because in doing so you are apparently "questioning his patriotism," an absurd charge.

It is the Dems. calling Bush and Cheney cowards. Among them Tom friggin' Harkin, who makes Kerry look like Honest Abe and Patton rolled in one.

    Originally posted by Tom Harkin
    "When I hear this coming from Dick Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil ... He'll be tough, but he'll be tough with someone else's kid's blood."


    Originally posted by Max Cleland
    "The question is where is George Bush's honor. The question is where is his shame."


No one on the Republican side is accusing Kerry of cowardice. Not the President, not his surrogates, and not even unrelated 527s.

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#13 Posted on 26.8.04 2138.50
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Well, I agree with your sentiments AWA. My problem is, with all that is going on in the world, all that is going on in the country, with the economy being iffy, with the war, with all the problems that judges are giving us determining laws on thier own, I would rather hear about definitive plans to change how things are going and how we are going to get the country on track to go to the future and have the world a safer place.


And you're going to hear that from the President next week. He won't reveal all his plans until his free ad on all the networks. And they'll be positive and do-able and strong. I look forward to seeing what the President has to say. And then to the debate or debates between the President and Senator Kerry. Because that should really define the vision of the two men.
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#14 Posted on 27.8.04 0720.42
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      Do we have to have a new thread everytime these guys does anything? Hasn't there got to be something out there resembling a real issue we could discuss, rather than the fact that some people who almost didn't quite serve with Kerry in Vietnam 30 years ago aren't happy that he protested the war when he got home? Do you honestly think this nonsense is going to change anyone's mind?


    and the difference between that and you pointing out Bush misspeaking, or saying something that didnt sound like it was written on a cue card for him is......?


The fact that I almost never do that? (In fact, according to this, I've only started four threads anywhere on The W since March. And only one of those was to point out Dubya's complete and total butchery of the English language. (Or, to be more precise - Dubya's pathetic attempt to bluff his way through an answer rather than just admitting he doesn't know something.) There was another thread pointing out the hilarious insanity of Alan Keyes - and the others weren't even in this forum. The last thread I started in Politics before that was last October - and it was just to point out a funny article in The Onion.

Plus my point was that we already had, like, three other threads right on the top about the Not-Terribly-Swift Boat Vets For "Truth", so I don't understand the reason to start yet another one. It's just like how I honestly didn't understand why we needed a dozen "I disagree with Fahrenheit 9/11" threads. The point was made. The usual suspects agree/disagree. Can't we please move on?
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#15 Posted on 27.8.04 0842.55
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    Originally posted by SeVen
    My only grip with Grimis is, as a fellow Republican he never brings a original opinion. Everything he says is just being echoed from things he sees on T.V. or in print. Damn near verbatim. It is hard for me to take someone serious when all they do is repeat what some blow hard spoon feeds him. But he is young, as he gets older maybe he will realize everything isn't left or right, black or white, or good and evil.
You're kidding right.
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#16 Posted on 27.8.04 0915.42
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I didnt mean to single you out OFB, but, I also didnt say "you start a thread" either.

I am sure there are plenty of instances where you and those who feel the same as you do, throw a barb out about the President. Thats okay with me, but I just wish it would go both ways when we talk about people from the left side of the political spectrum.
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#17 Posted on 27.8.04 1026.19
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Has anyone considered that these ads have surfaced to take scrutiny away from Bush and Cheney's embarrassing military records?



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#18 Posted on 27.8.04 1052.52
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    Has anyone considered that these ads have surfaced to take scrutiny away from Bush and Cheney's embarrassing military records?
I'm desperately trying to figure out what is wrong with either of their records. Nothing illegal was done, and Cheney at least has not lied about it.

Incidentally, John Edwards has a similar military record nobody likes to talk about...
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#19 Posted on 27.8.04 1113.53
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Uh ohz:

Chicago Sun Times: Plot thickens after checking records:


    ...the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

    But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

    Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either...

    ...B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.
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#20 Posted on 27.8.04 1155.00
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    Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
    Uh ohz:

    Chicago Sun Times: Plot thickens after checking records:


      ...the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

      But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

      Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either...

      ...B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.



Kerry.com in the blurb about his background states he has

"a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V,"

One would imagine if the V is attributed to the Silver Star elsewhere its little more than a typo.

(edited by dMr on 27.8.04 1755)
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