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#1 Posted on 25.8.04 0609.34
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Just so everybody realizes that terror is terror...

    Originally posted by Stephanie Hanes, Julie Bykowicz, and Alec MacGillis in the 8/25/04 Baltimore Sun
    Federal investigators say they believe that footage of the Bay Bridge shot Friday by the wife of a one-time fund-raiser for the militant group Hamas was "reconnaissance and surveillance" for a possible terrorist attack.

    Police stopped Ismail Selim Elbarasse and his family near the bridge after three off-duty Baltimore County officers spotted his wife videotaping from their car.

    Authorities said in court papers that the images included close-ups of cables and support features "integral to the structural integrity of the bridge."

    Investigators said they believe six other videotapes discovered in his car contain footage or images of the Bay Bridge and other structures or potential targets, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Baltimore in support of a search warrant executed at the couple's house in Annandale, Va.
Here's what has people worried...
    Originally posted by Dan Fesperman in the 8/25/04 Baltimore Sun
    But all along, the organization's leaders have been adamant that they intend only to fight a one-front war, limiting casualties to Israel and the occupied territories even while seeking money and support worldwide.

    That's why an alleged Hamas reconnaissance of Maryland's Bay Bridge has set off alarms among U.S. counterterrorism investigators. Although the videotaping of the bridge may turn out to be vacation footage from a family beach trip, authorities are treating the tape in the worst possible light - as a potential link between Hamas and al-Qaida, which has its sights set on death and destruction in the United States.
This is why there is a general War on Terror, not a general war on people who have attacked us before. Sure, one can argue that this was an overreaction, but this is a great proactive action to work to stop something before it starts...
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#2 Posted on 25.8.04 0759.44
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Or, Hammas could exchange video footage to other groups in exchange for any number of things as well.

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#3 Posted on 25.8.04 0759.55
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The Feds have already shot down the "vacation footage" bullshit.
    Originally posted by The WBALChannel.com
    According to the court documents, the pictures the wife had taken did include family vacation footage, but also specific parts of the bridge -- including the cables and support systems. The court documents said that portions of the footage zoomed in on the bridge joints of the main support span that are integral to the structural integrity of the bridge.
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#4 Posted on 25.8.04 0807.47
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Incidentally, I am really pissed at the MdTA Police right now for require off-duty Baltimore County cops to notice this. The worst part was McIlhenney on WBAL yesterday so proud of himself for helping bring this guy down. All the MdTA cops did was arrest him...
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#5 Posted on 25.8.04 0815.59
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I dont care if its the girl scouts that catch them, as long as somebody can put the cuffs on these scum.
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#6 Posted on 25.8.04 0916.00
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It's also possible this could be someone who is working for more than one group, or is someone who is working on his own hoping to do something with Al-Qaeda or attempting to convince some other group to attack in America. While I'm glad this guy is in custody, I think that to make the leap to Hamas and Al-Qaeda working together or that Hamas is opening up a U.S. branch office may be a bit hasty. It's something to keep an eye on, but I'd like to see more evidence before we upgrade Hamas to the same level of threat as Al-Qaeda.
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#7 Posted on 25.8.04 1201.13
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Or even scarier...maybe this dude was part of a Hamas plot to actually punish the US for its support of Israel, and launch a terror attack in the USA.

Maybe it's not a joint operation with Al-Qaeda...maybe it's Hamas deciding to open a second front in its battle with Israel and her allies...namely, us.

And if that's the case, I say we let Israel absolutely ERADICATE THEM.
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#8 Posted on 25.8.04 1428.45
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
    Or even scarier...maybe this dude was part of a Hamas plot to actually punish the US for its support of Israel, and launch a terror attack in the USA.

    Maybe it's not a joint operation with Al-Qaeda...maybe it's Hamas deciding to open a second front in its battle with Israel and her allies...namely, us.

    And if that's the case, I say we let Israel absolutely ERADICATE THEM.


Please go ahead and try. It sounds good but you can never accomplish it. If that worked, would Israel still be fighting with the Palestinians?
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#9 Posted on 25.8.04 1429.32
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I doubt that Hamas has the funding to pull off a major attack on our soil alone. They'd have to get funding from a sponsoring state(or Al Qaeda) which would open up a whole new can o worms.
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#10 Posted on 25.8.04 1631.30
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    I doubt that Hamas has the funding to pull off a major attack on our soil alone. They'd have to get funding from a sponsoring state(or Al Qaeda) which would open up a whole new can o worms.


Not to drag this into an Iraq discussion, but our buddy Saddam was known to send them money.

You think terrorists are like wrestling fans? Are there tape-trading sites out there?

"Oh, man... best of American bridges! I'll trade you my Saudi oil field tapes!"
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#11 Posted on 25.8.04 1758.46
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Not to drag this into an Iraq discussion, but our buddy Saddam was known to send them money.
Remember, Saddam did not support international terrorism(Copyright Democratic National Committee, 2004)
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#12 Posted on 26.8.04 1035.28
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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Not to drag this into an Iraq discussion, but our buddy Saddam was known to send them money.
    Remember, Saddam did not support international terrorism(Copyright Democratic National Committee, 2004)


Certainly not. After all, he only sent $25,000 to the families of each Palestinian suicide bomber after they did their deed and killed innocents.

    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Please go ahead and try. It sounds good but you can never accomplish it. If that worked, would Israel still be fighting with the Palestinians?


It's worth a shot...or a whole volley. Instead of maybe shaking our finger at them when they let loose a couple of helicopter-launched missiles to knock out top Hamas officials, or maybe Arafat himself, perhaps we oughta support and encourage them in their war against Islamic terrorists...seeing as how we're fighting one too...
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