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#1 Posted on 25.8.04 0042.13
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So John Kerry's appearance on the Daily Show just aired, and for those who may care, I've provided a loose transcript:

Stewart: My guest tonight, the Junior Democratic Senator from Massachusetts, he is also the Democratic candidate for President of the United States, please welcome Senator John Kerry.

[Crowd cheers, Kerry walks to his seat, the two shake hands.]

Stewart: Hello.

Kerry: How are ya?

S: Thank you very much for coming to the program.

K: I'm glad to be here.

S: Seriously?

[Crowd laughs.]

S: Mom, you better be recording this.

K: I can't understand it, turf, trees, and boxes.

S: He's not having any of it. He's redoing the CIA.

K: That's why I'm running for President. We're stamping them out, turf, trees, and boxes.

S: All gonna get done.

K: And agencies...

S: Now how are you holding up, it's been a rough couple weeks. I watch a lot of the cable news shows, so I understand that apparently, you were never in Vietnam.

[Crowd and Kerry laugh.]

K: That's what I understand too, but I'm trying to find out what happened. That part of my life [makes the so-so hand signal]...

S: Exactly. It's nice to know that thrity-five years ago, I have friends who will come forward and say "you did have coodies".

[Laughter.]

S: Is it hard not to take it personally when people come out, and clearly your war record is in the public files.

K: It's disappointing. I think most Americans would like to have a more intelligent conversation about where the country's going.

[Crowd applauds.]

K: Yeah, it's a little bit disappointing but, believe it or not, I've been through worse.

S: Right, I can imagine. When these guys.... Were you surprised at all by the war ads.

K: I was surprised, but, surprised in the sense that now that I begin to see the web and the network, I'm not surprised, but, you know it's politics, and for whatever reasons, and I think Americans will discover as we go forward for the next four/five weeks, George Bush doesn't want to talk about the real issues. What's he going to do, come out and say we lost 1.8 million jobs, 4 million Americans lost their health care, we're going back on the environment, angered everybody in the world...

S: (Joking) Sir, I'm sorry but were you or were you not in Cambodia on Christmas Eve? You said five miles, they said three.

[Stewart leans closer into a "tough interrogator" pose, and Kerry responds in kind.]

[They move back as the crowd claps.]

S: No, I hear what you're saying, that's a very interesting...

K: Want to compare profiles?

S: I'm all Jew. You may be a quarter, I got everything. Again, it's the type of thing, in the 2000 election, it was an election I think that the country didn't realize how important it was going to be until later on, and yet it was a relatively substantive discussion. I can recall in the debates there was a lot of talk about funding social security and education and all these different thing. This election is clearly the most important one of out lifetimes and yet, it's very difficult to have that discussion.

K: Well I don't think it will be, I'm going to stay laser beam focused. Today I gave a speech here in New York about the real choices. You know if you talk to... John Edwards and I have been all over the country and it's funny and I watched his announcement on your show.

S: I think that's why he lost.

K: No, he won. He's about to win big-time.

S: He took it to the next level.

K: We could have the inauguration here.

[Crowd cheers.]

S: Don't get too excited... you won't be here.

[Kerry laughs.]

S: Alright, so I gotta run through this list, 'cause I am, as any good fake journalist should do, I watch only the 24-hour cable news. This is what I learned about you through the cable news. Please refute if you will. Are you the number one most liberal senator in the senate?

K: No. Are you happy with that?

S: Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that. I'm just going on the talking points that I've been given. You're the most liberal senator in the senate, more liberal the Karl Marx, apparently.

[Laughter.]

S: Are you, or have you ever, flip-flopped?

K: I've flip-flopped, flap-flip.

S: So when they come up with these talking points, and it get carpet-bombed on the networks, how do you counter that?

K: By talking about the things that really matter and the things people want to talk about. Is it a flip-flop... I mean, I don't know what a compassionate conservative means. Does it mean cutting kids out of after school programs? Does it mean drilling in the Arctic wildelife refuge? Does it mean sending kids to Iraq without body armor, that's state of the art? I mean, you can run through a list.

S: I'll watch the TV-and this is in advertisments- John Kerry wants our troops to go to war wearing only Gaberdine.

[Laughter.]

S: You know, they'll say that you voted against the body armor and yet, they won't say what the vote was about and what the battle was.

K: I'll say that going to was in Gaberdine beats going to war the way our president sent the troops to war.

S: And that's your position.

K: I think this was an abuse of an authority. The President was given this kind of trust. The President promised that he would build an international coalition, he clearly hasn't built an international coalition. Ninety percent of the casualties, ninety percent of the cost are our people, our money, our troops. He didn't exhaust the project of U.N. inspections, made an end-run around it, and finally, he didn't give meaning to the words that mean a lot to a lot of us, going to war is a last resort. I think the United States should never go to war the way this president took us to war. You don't go to war because you want to, you go to war because you have to, and that's not what this president did.

[Applause.]

S: You shouldn't have flip-flopped like that sir.

[Laughter.]

S: It's an amazing thing to watch sometimes when this President will come out and say, "I've been a strong leader", only because he's been decisive. What you're saying is "anybody can make a decision, it's making the right decision.

K: It doesn't help you to be stubborn, in the wrong decision. Our President is stubborn. He stubbornly has made the wrong economic decisions, and the result is, you've got 4 million people who have lost their health care, the middle class is actually paying a higher tax burden than they were when George Bush began, and the wealthiest Americans are paying less. Now he's stubbornly leading America into a direction where we're outsourcing jobs, the jobs we're creating pay an average of $9,000 less than the jobs we're losing. He stubbornly sticks to his policiy in Iraq, even though everybody can see that we need other troops on the ground, we need to take the American stamp off this occupation effort, bring the world to our side, I mean there are so many choices that our President has stubbornly gone down.

S: Do you think that when you get into the debates with him, this is going to be "Will you be able to do that?" or will he... I've seen he's very shrewd in debates of saying "look this is a choice, it's a very easy choice between a man who loves Fidel Castro and someone who loves America." Do you think you will ever be able to have an honest discussion?

K: Well that's the test of the debates. The President has won every debate he's ever had. People need to understand that. He beat Ann Richards, he beat Al Gore. So he's a good debator, and debates are sort of formulaic, but I believe that the truth is what people are looking for. I have a better plan. I have a plan to put America back to work. I have a plan to provide health care to all Americans, rather than see Americans lose it and pay more for it. We can go down a different road.

S: Can you get me on a network?

[Laughter.]

COMMERCIAL BREAK

S: Let's talk energy. Oil, is oil going to be America's Kryptonite? You know we have this substance, it's clearly finite, it's clearly in another country are we going to have to take over the whole damn region?

K: I wish all the oil executives were like the stand-in you had there it'd be superb.

S: Yes, nicely done.

K: It's the most extraordinary thing, the United States has 3% of the World's oil reserves, we import 61% of our oil. There is no possible way for us to drill our way out of this crisis, we have to invent our way out of it. We have to invent our way out of it be moving to alternatives, to renewables, to fuel-efficient vehicles, to bio-mass to bio-diesel.

S: Let me work something out for you. You can use this. What if we ran cars on what America almost has a monopoly on; Twinkies, fast food, that sort of thing.

[Kerry laughs.]

S: We are the fattest people in the world, we could do this.

K: I think transforming fast food into fuel...

S: Liposuction, right into the car. Zip! Zoom! Done!

K: That would probably be very efficient.

S: It would be very efficient. When you were campaigning the other day, your campaign crossed paths with George Bush's campaign.

K: Twice we did.

S: Now was there just a nod and a wink or was there...

K: There was Secret Service, guarding us from the other people.

S: Keeping you away from each other, very smart. Now, if someone wants to come to your rally, whit kind of loyalty oath do they have to sign?

K: I actually saw you talking about this. None, zero.

S: Now, I have to say this...

K: Zip... but you do have to to get into their thing.

S: That's what I was going to suggest is they try and vet.

K: They have you sign something and then they vet everybody who comes. We're open to the public, we want to talk to America.

[Applause.]

K [Pointing off stage]: Not to this person over here...

S: Listen, I have talked to some of America, nah, you don't want them.

K: I'm telling ya'... I shouldn't get into that here. You'd be amazed at how many people want to introduce themselves to you in the Men's room.

S: Really?

K: It's the most bizzare part of this campaign.

S: I've got a suggestion. Secret Service, right outside the door. Now I want to ask you one more question and you don't have to answer it if it's too personal, is it true that everytime I use ketchup, your wife gets a nickel?

K: Wish that it were, wish that it were, but use the ketchup a lot anyway.

S: I'll do what I can, sir. I want to thank you for taking the time to come onto the show and having a normal conversation with us, we really do appreciate it.

K: Well you're doing a great job.

S: Mr. John Kerry, nominee for U.S. President.

[Music plays, and they head to commercial.]

Looks to me like John showed his bias during this interview. He let Kerry off way too easy on the questions that weren't total softballs.
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#2 Posted on 25.8.04 0707.17
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John Stewert is biased. It's a fake news show. I'd still trade you his and Bill Maher's slots for O'Reilly and Scarborough.
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#3 Posted on 25.8.04 0725.50
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If we're looking to the Daily Show for any hard news, we're all in trouble...
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#4 Posted on 25.8.04 0835.47
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Jon Stewart is the last true journalist.

Yeah, he's biased, but I think we're in a day and age where journalists need to be more direct/confrontational and less "touchy feely".

I would easily put him above anyone on any of the three major networks.
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#5 Posted on 25.8.04 0919.11
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    If we're looking to the Daily Show for any hard news, we're all in trouble...

Sadly, I feel like of all the networks, the Daily Show might be doing the best political coverage of anyone, in that their entire coverage every day isn't 100% "who did what in Vietnam?" related, and I mean that for both candidates.

As for bias, while I have no doubt Stewart is probably going to vote Kerry, he tends to be pretty soft on anyone who comes on his show. I saw (edit due to being reminded who I was thinking of in the post below) Norm Coleman on there and he was lobbing at him as well.

(edited by spf2119 on 25.8.04 1018)
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#6 Posted on 25.8.04 1012.07
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    Originally posted by spf2119
      Originally posted by Grimis
      If we're looking to the Daily Show for any hard news, we're all in trouble...

    Sadly, I feel like of all the networks, the Daily Show might be doing the best political coverage of anyone, in that their entire coverage every day isn't 100% "who did what in Vietnam?" related, and I mean that for both candidates.

    As for bias, while I have no doubt Stewart is probably going to vote Kerry, he tends to be pretty soft on anyone who comes on his show. I saw a GOP senator on there recently (sorry, the name is escaping me now) and he was lobbing at him as well.


I think the guy refering to is the senator from Minn. who was a Dem then switched over either just before running for senate or shortly afeter being elected. I can't remember his name either but thought he came across very well.

The only GOP member who he really seemed to grill was the congressman durring the Dem primary who couldn't even tell him where the numbers on who voted most liberally in the last year came from.

Yes the Daily Show has a slightly liberal stance but they grill the Dems as much as the GOP if it makes for a funny segmant.
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#7 Posted on 25.8.04 1022.54
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    Originally posted by brick
    I think the guy refering to is the senator from Minn. who was a Dem then switched over either just before running for senate or shortly afeter being elected. I can't remember his name either but thought he came across very well.


Are you thinking of the GOP's fastest rising star, Norm Coleman?

He was a Democrat until he turned Republican while mayor of St. Paul, then after he cleaned up the city, had a competitive race with Paul Wellstone until he died, then beat Mondale in the final election.

Stewart had a great interview with Wolf Blitzer a little while back.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 25.8.04 0824)
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#8 Posted on 25.8.04 1715.23
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Norm Coleman, thats the guy. I remeber thinking that he comes off much better than our current two choices, I haven't looked into his polotics as of yet, and I'm sure he'll have plenty of Patomic mud dripping from him by the time the GOP is ready to have him up for a national election, but he was a refreshing change from the norm.
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#9 Posted on 25.8.04 1738.16
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    Originally posted by brick
      Originally posted by spf2119
        Originally posted by Grimis
        If we're looking to the Daily Show for any hard news, we're all in trouble...

      Sadly, I feel like of all the networks, the Daily Show might be doing the best political coverage of anyone, in that their entire coverage every day isn't 100% "who did what in Vietnam?" related, and I mean that for both candidates.

      As for bias, while I have no doubt Stewart is probably going to vote Kerry, he tends to be pretty soft on anyone who comes on his show. I saw a GOP senator on there recently (sorry, the name is escaping me now) and he was lobbing at him as well.


    I think the guy refering to is the senator from Minn. who was a Dem then switched over either just before running for senate or shortly afeter being elected. I can't remember his name either but thought he came across very well.

    The only GOP member who he really seemed to grill was the congressman durring the Dem primary who couldn't even tell him where the numbers on who voted most liberally in the last year came from.

    Yes the Daily Show has a slightly liberal stance but they grill the Dems as much as the GOP if it makes for a funny segmant.


Surely you are joking about that last statement. I have watched the Daily Show many, many times and Jon almost NEVER grills Democrats. I do admit that he is not confrontational with most of his guests, but during every other segment of the show he is espousing the Liberal slant on everything. There is nothing "slightly" liberal about the show or its writers or performers.

I also don't buy that TDS has the best coverage on the news. If you agreed with all the leaning that Stewart does, then maybe yeah you think that they beat cable news. Other than that though, there is almost nothing substantive about this "coverage."

Do I still watch the show? Sure I do. I may get mad at it sometimes, but I like to know what the opposite side is saying. I'm that way with Bill Maher as well. I don't agree with most of his views, but it is important to keep up with the arguments that will either reinforce or perhaps even change my beliefs (of course I will remain closed-minded about some issues).
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#10 Posted on 25.8.04 1939.23
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It's just a comedy show. Stewart has said on the show he isn't voting for Bush. Big deal but he's not making fun of the Bush Administration because of that, he's doing it because they provide the most comedy.

Just like Letterman is a Democrat but he did tons of Clinton jokes for the past 12 years. Just like he makes fun of Bush on a nightly basis and he'll make fun of Kerry if he becomes President.

Stewart makes fun of Kerry all the time on his show and I'm sure he'll make fun of him even more if he wins and there's more material to work with.

They're not really "epousing a Liberal slant", they're just finding the humour in the news. And most of the news comes from whichever party is in charge.
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#11 Posted on 25.8.04 2114.04
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I'm a huge Daily Show mark, but there's no question that it's liberal. The New Yorker did an article on the show around the 2000 elections (wish I could find it..), and said that the writing staff is far, far left.
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#12 Posted on 25.8.04 2308.04
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Jon Stewart is the last true journalist.

    Yeah, he's biased, but I think we're in a day and age where journalists need to be more direct/confrontational and less "touchy feely".

    I would easily put him above anyone on any of the three major networks.


I couldn't disagree more. I love Jon Stewart and I love his show. But those were a bunch of softballs he lobbed at Kerry. And that's fine, because it's not a news show. But this is a guy who's constantly ripping the press for being light on politicians. Then he gets one sitting in his chair, a major one, and he didn't go after him at all. I just don't see how anyone could watch that Daily Show interview and say that it was more helpful to the democratic process than if Kerry had done 15-20 minutes with Tim Russert.

I liked it because it was entertaining, and Kerry came across well, but let's not pretend it was something it was not.
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#13 Posted on 26.8.04 1402.33
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher



Surely you are joking about that last statement. I have watched the Daily Show many, many times and Jon almost NEVER grills Democrats. I do admit that he is not confrontational with most of his guests, but during every other segment of the show he is espousing the Liberal slant on everything. There is nothing "slightly" liberal about the show or its writers or performers.

I also don't buy that TDS has the best coverage on the news. If you agreed with all the leaning that Stewart does, then maybe yeah you think that they beat cable news. Other than that though, there is almost nothing substantive about this "coverage."

Do I still watch the show? Sure I do. I may get mad at it sometimes, but I like to know what the opposite side is saying. I'm that way with Bill Maher as well. I don't agree with most of his views, but it is important to keep up with the arguments that will either reinforce or perhaps even change my beliefs (of course I will remain closed-minded about some issues).


I think I stated that poorly, true he generaly lobs softballs at Dem guests. And for the most part all his guests. How many of them would go on a fake news show otherwise.
Where they are an equal opertunity satire show is when it comes to the headlines and the reporter segments. They seem to hit whomever is making a bigger ass of themselves regardless. Bush having the spotlight due to being president gets the lionshare now, but when Kerry is President I'm sure they will lampoon him aswell. Unless the republican lead legistature is making the headlines.
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#14 Posted on 26.8.04 1441.55
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After seeing the Stewart interview, yeah, he did softball Kerry.

I still think that Stewart is doing a GREAT job acting as a the "Fifth Estate" for the media and that he is hitting hard on the media in a comical, yet insightful manner. There is an obvious liberal slant to how he carries himself, but I don't think that's a secret.

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#15 Posted on 26.8.04 1524.55
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I don't know, Stewart did really tear into Jennifer Love-Hewitt when she tried to duck the "Garfield The Movie looks really terrible" issue.

In other news, you folks are taking The Daily Show way way way way too seriously. It's a comedy show. Sometimes, it comes a hell of a lot closer to the news than the actual news, but it's still hardly serious journalism.
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#16 Posted on 26.8.04 1531.45
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You mean Jon Stewart isn't a true journalist?

EDIT: Jon, not John.

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#17 Posted on 28.8.04 0222.05
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I do believe the Daily show and Stewart himself have liberal leanings but I think Fuel brings up a good point, Stewart became host in '99 so he really didn't have an Democrat president to work on. Bush and company has given him a lot of material to work with so it's not surprising that most of the arrows are thrown at him. Much like SNL were all too willing to go after Clinton... I do believe that Bush and especially Cheney attitudes along with their policies the last 4 years drive Stewart up the wall, so I do believe he means everything he says.

He does make fun of Kerry, impersonating Kerry's monotone voice along with other stuff, but I do think it's more "work" to go after Kerry. Well even if he makes one negative comment on Kerry it makes him more neutral than a lot of the "personalities" on cable news channels where they play "my team vs your team" and "My guy can't do no wrong and your guy can't do any right"... I like Stewart most when he shines the spotlight at the media who should credible but come of as more ridiculous than his.
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#18 Posted on 28.8.04 1133.23
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I do believe the Daily show and Stewart himself have liberal leanings but I think Fuel brings up a good point, Stewart became host in '99 so he really didn't have an Democrat president to work on...... He does make fun of Kerry, impersonating Kerry's monotone voice along with other stuff, but I do think it's more "work" to go after Kerry. Well even if he makes one negative comment on Kerry it makes him more neutral than a lot of the "personalities" on cable news channels where they play "my team vs your team" and "My guy can't do no wrong and your guy can't do any right"... I like Stewart most when he shines the spotlight at the media who should credible but come of as more ridiculous than his.


We seem to be grasping for the right word to describe Stewart. Journalist? No. Comedian? In a broad sense, yes. But specifically, he's a satirist. He will satirize Bush. He will satirize Kerry. But when Kerry is a guest on his show, he is not going to get all 'up in his face.' I'm sure if Bush deigned to appear on the Daily Show, Stewart would extend a similar courtesy.

Sure, Stewart is biased. So is EVERYONE. But Stewart is a satirist, not a journalist. It is a satirist's job to be biased. It is a journalist's job to be unbiased, at least professionally. Unfortunately, as NHS has pointed out, the cable news outlets often seem to have lost sight of this ethic.
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#19 Posted on 28.8.04 1412.00
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On Bill Maher's show last night he and Chris Matthews seemed to rip on Stewart and the Daily Show pretty hard for the soft interview they gave Kerry. They never mentioned Jon or the show by name, but brought up candidates going on comedy shows and being given free passes.

It was brought up in the context of Maher and Matthews patting themselves on the back for how they, unlike other journalists, ask the tough questions and follow up on them. But to me it came off sounding a little jealous, like that maybe Stewart got Kerry and they won't. Especially when Maher is pretty far from the front of the list of people who would ever grill John Kerry about anything. So his attitude towards the Daily Show's interview seemed odd.
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#20 Posted on 28.8.04 1530.28
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I watched part of that show, and thought the same thing about that segment.

I felt bad for that Senator who was the only one in the building that didn't believe that global warming is a threat. No one would let him speak, and when he finally did, he sounded like he was the only one in the building with a decent knowledge of the subject. I don't know how he just didn't yell SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET ME SPEAK when he kept getting cut off.

I also found it funny that after he gave his evidence, the guy next to him said he was "stuck on global warming and not looking at the big picture" when the topic WAS global warming, and he said that pollution is a problem, as that guy had said repeatedly.
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