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#1 Posted on 23.8.04 1625.01
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All the news media is making this out to be a close election. And there are lots of stories about how the undecided vote is extremely small and how a few key "demographics" could shape the outcome of the election.

So I was just wondering, have you made your mind up yet? Could anything make you change your decision? Should we just have the election today? Are you just sick and tired of all the news coverage yet?

Frankly, I'm so very disgusted by this never-ending campaign. I know who I'm voting for (I mean, how can you NOT know who you'll vote for - or against); I'd rather just cast a ballot today and have this crap off my airwaves.

edit: it's "news", not "new"

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#2 Posted on 23.8.04 1631.23
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At this point John Kerry could appear at a campaign rally wearing a toga, proclaim himself Emperor of Triskelion 5, and proceed to eat a live baby, while at the same time George Bush is curing cancer and bringing rain to the deserts of the world, and I really don't think I could be swayed.
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#3 Posted on 23.8.04 1635.55
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I do not know who I am voting for.

At this point, Bush has a number of negatives in his column. I have very little information on Kerry in the positive column as well.

I'm not sure which set of negatives is going to win in the end.

Surprisingly, there are a few issues that I could be swayed on if they were addressed, yet neither candidate seems to want to spend a lot of time on them.
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#4 Posted on 23.8.04 1705.34
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    At this point John Kerry could appear at a campaign rally wearing a toga, proclaim himself Emperor of Triskelion 5, and proceed to eat a live baby, while at the same time George Bush is curing cancer and bringing rain to the deserts of the world, and I really don't think I could be swayed.


I second this emotion. There is no question in my mind Im voting for Kerry. Bush has got to go.


BUT there is one way I could possibly be swayed. Bush would have to fire Cheney, Rumsfield, Card and Wolfowitz. Then Let Colin Powell take turns beating the shit out of each of them on the White House Lawn.

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#5 Posted on 23.8.04 1724.26
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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
      Originally posted by spf2119
      At this point John Kerry could appear at a campaign rally wearing a toga, proclaim himself Emperor of Triskelion 5, and proceed to eat a live baby, while at the same time George Bush is curing cancer and bringing rain to the deserts of the world, and I really don't think I could be swayed.


    I second this emotion. There is no question in my mind Im voting for Kerry. Bush has got to go.


    BUT there is one way I could possibly be swayed. Bush would have to fire Cheney, Rumsfield, Card and Wolfowitz. Then Let Colin Powell take turns beating the shit out of each of them on the White House Lawn.




What do you love so much about Powell?

(Really, I mean that. I respect the man myself. I just want to know what, to you, is so terrific about him)
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#6 Posted on 23.8.04 1739.35
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I do not know who I am voting for.

    At this point, Bush has a number of negatives in his column. I have very little information on Kerry in the positive column as well.

    I'm not sure which set of negatives is going to win in the end.


I am 100% in the same position you are, and I am SO SICK of the constant negativity in this campaign I'd just like it to be OVER, but I also have an open enough mind about who to vote for that I think I'll start paying closer attention when one of these candidates stops talking about the other and starts talking about ME.

EDIT: I AM seriously thinking that I should just vote for two more years of gridlock...a Democrat for Pres and all the rest Republicans. Or vice versa.

(edited by JayJayDean on 23.8.04 1541)
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#7 Posted on 23.8.04 1924.04
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As I did in 2000, I safely state I can't vote for either Kerry or Bush. I don't know what other candidates are on the KS ballot yet but I will vote for one of them. In KS it's not like Bush wont win anyway.

Neither one impresses me and both are so full of crap I simply wont hold my nose. Maybe if the Dems could find a, you know, Democrat to run.

And Guru, with all that is known about the two of them, even if they address you issues, could you trust them.
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#8 Posted on 23.8.04 1940.19
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I do not know who I am voting for.

    At this point, Bush has a number of negatives in his column. I have very little information on Kerry in the positive column as well.

    I'm not sure which set of negatives is going to win in the end.

    Surprisingly, there are a few issues that I could be swayed on if they were addressed, yet neither candidate seems to want to spend a lot of time on them.


Right now I'm compiling all the issues that I can think of that I feel I should judge the two candidates on and rating them. I'll throw it up when I'm done. It'd be interesting to see what people actually feel about Bush/Kerry if given an actual set of criteria instead of the little R and D.

-Jag
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#9 Posted on 23.8.04 1946.36
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    What do you love so much about Powell?

    (Really, I mean that. I respect the man myself. I just want to know what, to you, is so terrific about him)



Ive always seen Powell as a strong intelligent thoughtful leader. I like him because hes a black man who came from a modest upbringing to become the Top Military officer in the World, AND National Security Advisor to President Reagan. Last spring I read his book and even though he calls himself a Republican and I call myself a Democrat we see alike on a lot of issues and I would probably vote for him if he were to run for President.

BUT it has infuriated me the way he has been marginalized and generally treated like a token by the Bush administration. It says alot to me when the man who has seen this country at war on every level, as a soldier in the field and a General planning an invasion, is practically ignored when his bosses decide to wage a war. Then because hes the only guy in the Cabinet that people trust, hes the guy that goes out to make the case to the world for a war that he didnt even believe was neccessary.
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#10 Posted on 23.8.04 2041.01
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I going to fip a coin and vote for Nader (Heads) or Kerry (Tails) but Nader failed to make the ballot here in MD, so I guess Kerry gets it. Unless I see a cool name in the other third-party people.
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#11 Posted on 23.8.04 2138.07
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    As I did in 2000, I safely state I can't vote for either Kerry or Bush. I don't know what other candidates are on the KS ballot yet but I will vote for one of them. In KS it's not like Bush wont win anyway.

    Neither one impresses me and both are so full of crap I simply wont hold my nose. Maybe if the Dems could find a, you know, Democrat to run.

    And Guru, with all that is known about the two of them, even if they address you issues, could you trust them.


Well said doc! Put me in the same category, except that I would like to see someone who actually wanted a little common sense in government and didn't try to solve problems by throwing money at it. While I'm dreaming, I'd also like to see someone who can see beyond party lines, have a hint of individuality and work with whichever people have the most compelling ideas.
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#12 Posted on 23.8.04 2138.12
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    I do not know who I am voting for.

    At this point, Bush has a number of negatives in his column. I have very little information on Kerry in the positive column as well.

    I'm not sure which set of negatives is going to win in the end.

    Surprisingly, there are a few issues that I could be swayed on if they were addressed, yet neither candidate seems to want to spend a lot of time on them.


I was in that position in our last Federal election. Ended up voting for the guy I thought would f**k thinks up the least.

Scary bit is the outcome of your election will end up affecting our Federal election when they get around to calling one. (Ref Free trade agreement)

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#13 Posted on 23.8.04 2157.54
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If someone put a gun to my head or if I was offered money, I still wouldn't vote for Kerry in this or any other lifetime. However, at this point, Bush's allowing the federal government to swell is turning me off. Considering I'm in a state that the only question is whether Kerry wins by over 25, I'm undecided between Bush and a Libertarian, currently leaning Libertarian.

(edited by redsoxnation on 23.8.04 2347)
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#14 Posted on 23.8.04 2205.33
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    Originally posted by ScreamingHeadGuy
    I'd rather just cast a ballot today and have this crap off my airwaves.



First, SHADDAP. My station hasn't gotten any political ad revenue yet

Second, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for an admitted war criminal, so I vote for Bush. Spare me your ridiculous "Bush is the bigger war criminal" utter nonsense, please.

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#15 Posted on 23.8.04 2239.39
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In 2000, I would have voted for Nader (if he was on the NC ballot), because I saw Gore and Bush as Coke and Pepsi. However, I now see how important it is (IMO) to get Bush out of office. I'm most definatley voting Kerry, and I don't think that, at this point, there's anything that can sway me otherwise.
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#16 Posted on 23.8.04 2251.45
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Unless something huge happens, I'd vote for Bush. Unfortunately, I can't vote until the 2008 election anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
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#17 Posted on 23.8.04 2251.57
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I'm voting for Kerry! Oh wait.......

To quote my friend Trevor, "since the US insists on telling the rest of the world what to do, then we should get a vote in their elections. It's only fair."
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#18 Posted on 23.8.04 2253.40
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    Originally posted by Big G
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      I do not know who I am voting for.

      At this point, Bush has a number of negatives in his column. I have very little information on Kerry in the positive column as well.

      I'm not sure which set of negatives is going to win in the end.

      Surprisingly, there are a few issues that I could be swayed on if they were addressed, yet neither candidate seems to want to spend a lot of time on them.


    I was in that position in our last Federal election. Ended up voting for the guy I thought would f**k thinks up the least.

    Scary bit is the outcome of your election will end up affecting our Federal election when they get around to calling one. (Ref Free trade agreement)

    G


Big G -

What's the feeling over there in Australia? Re: Free trade, are you hoping for Kerry or Bush? Is Iraq a concern for you guys? Do you prefer one candidate on trade and another on foreign policy?

Just curious.

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I'm voting for Kerry! Oh wait.......

    To quote my friend Trevor, "since the US insists on telling the rest of the world what to do, then we should get a vote in their elections. It's only fair."


You sure seem to expend a lot of mental energy on complaining about the US. I've got a novel solution for you: Why not elect leaders who will, you know, make your country relevant? Bitch, moan, bitch, moan... either do something to improve your own international standing or stuff some back bacon in it. Lousy Canadians...*


*tongue (at least somewhat) in cheek

(edited by PalpatineW on 23.8.04 2357)
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#19 Posted on 24.8.04 0004.17
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I'm voting for Kerry! Oh wait.......

    To quote my friend Trevor, "since the US insists on telling the rest of the world what to do, then we should get a vote in their elections. It's only fair."


Hell man, in between marching the goosestep down Pennsylvania Avenue and eating our young, us brownshirt Americans do like to tell other countries what to do. Especially Canada! Hence our indistinguishable nations. Though make no mistake about it, you people are still inferior to us, for, our blood pure and true, we are the only nation past, present, future to push national interests in international politics.

I am voting for Bush, as he is the only name on the ballot.
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#20 Posted on 24.8.04 2038.12
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I guess I don't have to tell you I am voting for President Bush. His leadership during and after 9/11 impressed me and his economic strategy has lowered unemployment and increased productivity.

I am not a fan of the Iraq was, but once you're in there, you gotta do the deed. I didn't and don't have a problem with the rationale - Saddam was financing terrorists around the world - but I would have isolated him entirely first. Or let out the rope and let the next door neighbors take him out. But anyway, I'm ok with that.

Kerry - well, he's on the same list with Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden and Bobby Seale and Eldrich Cleaver with me. I have no use for him. Howard Dean, I didn't agree with, but I at least respected his ideas. OK, maybe a little nutty. Same for Joe Lieberman. Edwards is OK, I guess - although he's an ambulance chaser.

I could never support Kerry or vote for him.

Let me say this, though. If Kerry should win, then I'll be refering to him as "President Kerry" and give him the respect and honor due his office. And I won't act like a baby if it's close.

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