The W
Views: 98936562
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
16.9.07 1034
The 7 - Pro Wrestling - Flair's show Register and log in to post!
(9841 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (18 total)
Punkinhed
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 58/202
EXP: 195118
For next: 11326

Since: 23.1.02

Since last post: 4211 days
Last activity: 4187 days
#1 Posted on 26.3.02 1610.52
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1626.46


I'll confess to having less knowledge of Ric Flair than others, so I would like your informed opinion: what kind of job will Ric Flair do as the boss of the Raw brand? I realize that in reality Vince is still in charge, but Flair will undoubtedly have a lot of pull, and I'm wondering how he'd use a Lance Storm, for example, diffirently than Vince would. In other words, will Vince's words be coming out of Ric's mouth, or will he have some autonomy?
Promote this thread!
oldschoolhero
Knackwurst
Level: 104

Posts: 86/3059
EXP: 11524771
For next: 337394

Since: 2.1.02
From: nWo Country

Since last post: 1950 days
Last activity: 1884 days
#2 Posted on 26.3.02 1613.27
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1627.03
I'm crossing my fingers for Flair's show, as it's his crew that I'll be seeing live when the fed pops over to England in May. Looking forward to finally seeing Brock Lesnar in person-fourth row tickets, baby!

If Flair has any input at all, you can bet that product will be more in-ring based. Hopefully that is the case, even if there is a lot of dead weight sitting around on that side of the fence.
Notorious F.A.B.
Pepperoni
Level: 65

Posts: 263/1052
EXP: 2316014
For next: 19626

Since: 4.2.02
From: Dudleyville's Gay Ghetto

Since last post: 3989 days
Last activity: 3975 days
AIM:  
#3 Posted on 26.3.02 1929.14
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1953.55
well, the writing staff is the same, so keep that in mind.

it looks like the focus of raw will be the nWo. they only take orders from vince and flair hopes to curb their enthusiasm. flair will make efforts to limit them and they'll rebel.

looking at flair's roster, he's got kane, rvd and booker to go against them. i'm guessing big show will stay in his "surprise tag team partner" or "punishment match" role.

when flair drafted booker, he said something to the effect of "speaking of projects..." this gives me some hope that they're planning on turning booker face and letting him actually wrestle instead of being a cowardly heel. it seems like the crowd has gotten behind him more as he's been "performing" more in recent weeks.

so in that sense, i'd say yeah, flair will handle some wrestlers better than vince.
TheBucsFan
TheChiefsFan
Level: 109

Posts: 474/3428
EXP: 13671727
For next: 287963

Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 35 days
Last activity: 35 days
#4 Posted on 26.3.02 1930.45
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1959.01
Flair said that because Booker T was "Vince's project" and Flair wanted to take him so Vince couldn't.
ekedolphin
Scrapple
Level: 132

Posts: 444/5387
EXP: 26904568
For next: 227436

Since: 12.1.02
From: Indianapolis, IN; now residing in Suffolk, VA

Since last post: 89 days
Last activity: 34 days
#5 Posted on 27.3.02 0255.20
Reposted on: 27.3.09 0256.47
Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.
Bullitt
Shot in the dark
Level: 85

Posts: 88/1919
EXP: 5720830
For next: 177734

Since: 11.1.02
From: Houston

Since last post: 3 days
Last activity: 3 days
#6 Posted on 27.3.02 0301.37
Reposted on: 27.3.09 0301.39

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.


But will Flair be the actual "booker" for this show, or merely the on-screen figurehead?

As FAB mentioned, the creative team remains the same, so not much should change there.
ges7184
Lap cheong
Level: 76

Posts: 80/1494
EXP: 3931298
For next: 74781

Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

Since last post: 7 days
Last activity: 2 hours
#7 Posted on 27.3.02 1005.42
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1008.13
Are the writing staffs really the same? I had hopes they would be two different writing staffs for each show. I know they had posted jobs for writers not too long ago, and kind of assumed it was for the purpose of creating two writing staffs.

I think if they are using the same writing staff for both shows, that takes away an advantage (and hope for) the split (oops, I mean 'brand extension'). I thought that with a complete split crew (wrestlers, staff, and all) that it would lighten the work-load, and maybe lead to more imagination from the writers (who would have a full week to come up with material for only half of the old roster for their one show). I'm not sure, if the writers are still having to write everything, that there is much advantage to the split (I mean 'brand extension').
cfgb
Lap cheong
Level: 81

Posts: 384/1751
EXP: 4991037
For next: 1833

Since: 2.1.02
From: Ottawa, Ontario

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 16 min.
#8 Posted on 27.3.02 1150.21
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1150.54
According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.

Are you SURE Steve Austin agrees with Mick Foley? I've never heard him bash Ric Flair as a booker, though I wasn't an online geek at the time so I could have missed it.

Flair is actually an awesome booker. If you need proof, just check out the first half of 1994 at your video store. WCW put out awesome show after awesome show. Their peak in my opinion was Slamboree 1994, which is one of my favorite shows ever.

Flair knows who to push and how. Though I don't actually think he'll be booking anything on "his show" it sure would be nice to see him get a chance.
Travis
Boerewors
Level: 42

Posts: 152/385
EXP: 511001
For next: 10365

Since: 7.3.02
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 4501 days
Last activity: 4437 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#9 Posted on 27.3.02 1152.52
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1153.55
Sir-
Wrestling is fake. Ric Flair doesn't REALLY own any part of the WWF.

Thank you.
DrOp
Frankfurter
Level: 60

Posts: 140/859
EXP: 1714957
For next: 57831

Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 2198 days
Last activity: 1064 days
#10 Posted on 27.3.02 1206.43
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1210.53
We know that Travis.

I think you've missed cfgb's point. I'll try to summarize, help me, cfgb, if I get it all wrong:

There was a time in WCW when Flair was both a wrestler and the head booker (much like Stephanie is annoying and a sorry writer). He did well (unlike Steph). He was leaps and bounds better than Dusty Rhodes, Kevin Sullivan and the rest of those losers.

The writing staffs should not be the same group of people for both shows. I am in agreement with the folk at the Torch that two separate staffs headed/watched by Vince is probably best as it would create a 'real' sense of competition.

If they DID have two staffs, why not have Flair have some input into how RAW is laid out? He's as good if not better than Stephanie, just compare their products. Knowing who and when to push is critical to success. And I think a little quasi-worked shoot would add to the drama of the split. But that's just me...
Travis
Boerewors
Level: 42

Posts: 155/385
EXP: 511001
For next: 10365

Since: 7.3.02
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 4501 days
Last activity: 4437 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#11 Posted on 27.3.02 1213.24
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1229.01
My comments were directed at the author of the original post. I wouldn't really be too into this board if the aforementioned facts weren't common knowledge.
Trineo
Mettwurst
Level: 29

Posts: 35/160
EXP: 136727
For next: 11159

Since: 19.3.02
From: Boston

Since last post: 4362 days
Last activity: 4228 days
AIM:  
#12 Posted on 27.3.02 1249.03
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1259.08

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.


I think some other people said this, but I'm just agreeing with them. I don't think Austin had any problems with Flair as booker. If I remember right, didn't Flair think Austin was the person who could carry the mantel after Flair hung up the boots? Austin fell out of the good graces of WCW entirely when Bischoff took over and started bringing in the old WWF rejects.
Sean
Cotechino
Level: 22

Posts: 7/88
EXP: 55725
For next: 2626

Since: 26.3.02
From: Mastic, NY

Since last post: 4449 days
Last activity: 3537 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#13 Posted on 27.3.02 1310.55
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1311.13
The writing crew will be the same for both shows - Stephanie McMahon, Brian Gewertz, Bruce Pritchard, Paul Heyman, and Vince McMahon. The idea that someone might actually give Ric Flair any input into booking is handicapped at best.

The only thing that ever came out of Ric Flair booking is Ric Flair being pushed to the top of the card - the only reason this beats Dusty's booking, of course, is because Dusty was a big flabby piece of shit, while Ric Flair was a great wrestler. I love ya, Big Duth, but it's true.
Punkinhed
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 60/202
EXP: 195118
For next: 11326

Since: 23.1.02

Since last post: 4211 days
Last activity: 4187 days
#14 Posted on 27.3.02 1336.04
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1348.35


Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.

Sean
Cotechino
Level: 22

Posts: 9/88
EXP: 55725
For next: 2626

Since: 26.3.02
From: Mastic, NY

Since last post: 4449 days
Last activity: 3537 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#15 Posted on 27.3.02 1408.57
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1429.05

    Originally posted by Punkinhed


    Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.




Flair will not be given any control over RAW booking, period. Even if (by some freakish act of hypothesis) Flair was given the book, he would do whatever any other onscreen performer did when they were booking - put himself on TV way too much.
Mr. Boffo
Scrapple
Level: 114

Posts: 6/3844
EXP: 16091264
For next: 218353

Since: 24.3.02
From: Oshkosh, WI

Since last post: 414 days
Last activity: 375 days
#16 Posted on 27.3.02 2030.04
Reposted on: 27.3.09 2031.19

    Originally posted by Sean

      Originally posted by Punkinhed


      Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.




    Flair will not be given any control over RAW booking, period. Even if (by some freakish act of hypothesis) Flair was given the book, he would do whatever any other onscreen performer did when they were booking - put himself on TV way too much.


Like someone else said, at least him being on tv too much would have to be better than having "Head Writer" Stephanie McMahon, like we've had to put up with recently.
SerWolfe
Landjager
Level: 63

Posts: 575/955
EXP: 2008343
For next: 88820

Since: 11.1.02
From: st louis

Since last post: 4176 days
Last activity: 4176 days
AIM:  
#17 Posted on 27.3.02 2138.11
Reposted on: 27.3.09 2138.36
Flair is a legend. Seeing him on screen would be a lot better than seeing Steph or Shane. I remember how good WcW was when he was booking and i think if he can bring that to the wwf brand then i wish vince would give him a chance to do it. I believe Flair knows his time in the full spotlight is done... but i agree he would know who to push and when to do it.
Omega Red
Weisswurst
Level: 12

Posts: 12/21
EXP: 6521
For next: 1400

Since: 19.2.02

Since last post: 4505 days
Last activity: 4504 days
#18 Posted on 28.3.02 0011.34
Reposted on: 28.3.09 0012.29

    Originally posted by Sean
    The writing crew will be the same for both shows - Stephanie McMahon, Brian Gewertz, Bruce Pritchard, Paul Heyman, and Vince McMahon. The idea that someone might actually give Ric Flair any input into booking is handicapped at best.

    The only thing that ever came out of Ric Flair booking is Ric Flair being pushed to the top of the card - the only reason this beats Dusty's booking, of course, is because Dusty was a big flabby piece of shit, while Ric Flair was a great wrestler. I love ya, Big Duth, but it's true.



It's hard to say with Flair, the only time's he had the book in WCW he was easily the best worker and personality in the promotion, so it's kinda like, any smart person with the book would've pushed Flair. Regardless, Vince and company are booking both shows, and they're doing it in order to keep a sense of competition for rising between the two shows. Think about it, if they were run like seperate companies, neither side would want to job to the other, or if one of their guys was champ, they wouldn't want their guy dropping the belt to a guy from the other show, ect...
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Trade Secrets (Fantasy Trades)
Next thread: What Happens if UPN Cancels Smackdown?
Previous thread: Mr Perfect
(9841 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
The 7 - Pro Wrestling - Flair's showRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.354 seconds.