The W
Views: 106019256
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
30.7.08 0528
The 7 - Pro Wrestling - Flair's show Register and log in to post!
(10245 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (18 total)
Punkinhed
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 58/202
EXP: 201698
For next: 4746

Since: 23.1.02

Since last post: 4528 days
Last activity: 4503 days
#1 Posted on 26.3.02 1610.52
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1626.46


I'll confess to having less knowledge of Ric Flair than others, so I would like your informed opinion: what kind of job will Ric Flair do as the boss of the Raw brand? I realize that in reality Vince is still in charge, but Flair will undoubtedly have a lot of pull, and I'm wondering how he'd use a Lance Storm, for example, diffirently than Vince would. In other words, will Vince's words be coming out of Ric's mouth, or will he have some autonomy?
Promote this thread!
oldschoolhero
Knackwurst
Level: 105

Posts: 86/3059
EXP: 11911685
For next: 350615

Since: 2.1.02
From: nWo Country

Since last post: 2267 days
Last activity: 2201 days
#2 Posted on 26.3.02 1613.27
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1627.03
I'm crossing my fingers for Flair's show, as it's his crew that I'll be seeing live when the fed pops over to England in May. Looking forward to finally seeing Brock Lesnar in person-fourth row tickets, baby!

If Flair has any input at all, you can bet that product will be more in-ring based. Hopefully that is the case, even if there is a lot of dead weight sitting around on that side of the fence.
Notorious F.A.B.
Pepperoni
Level: 66

Posts: 263/1052
EXP: 2394315
For next: 67549

Since: 4.2.02
From: Dudleyville's Gay Ghetto

Since last post: 4306 days
Last activity: 4292 days
AIM:  
#3 Posted on 26.3.02 1929.14
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1953.55
well, the writing staff is the same, so keep that in mind.

it looks like the focus of raw will be the nWo. they only take orders from vince and flair hopes to curb their enthusiasm. flair will make efforts to limit them and they'll rebel.

looking at flair's roster, he's got kane, rvd and booker to go against them. i'm guessing big show will stay in his "surprise tag team partner" or "punishment match" role.

when flair drafted booker, he said something to the effect of "speaking of projects..." this gives me some hope that they're planning on turning booker face and letting him actually wrestle instead of being a cowardly heel. it seems like the crowd has gotten behind him more as he's been "performing" more in recent weeks.

so in that sense, i'd say yeah, flair will handle some wrestlers better than vince.
TheBucsFan
TheChiefsFan
Level: 110

Posts: 474/3428
EXP: 14130722
For next: 278210

Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 352 days
Last activity: 352 days
#4 Posted on 26.3.02 1930.45
Reposted on: 26.3.09 1959.01
Flair said that because Booker T was "Vince's project" and Flair wanted to take him so Vince couldn't.
ekedolphin
Scrapple
Level: 134

Posts: 444/5400
EXP: 27910419
For next: 676629

Since: 12.1.02
From: Indianapolis, IN; now residing in Suffolk, VA

Since last post: 3 days
Last activity: 10 hours
#5 Posted on 27.3.02 0255.20
Reposted on: 27.3.09 0256.47
Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.
Bullitt
Shot in the dark
Level: 86

Posts: 88/1931
EXP: 5968807
For next: 173324

Since: 11.1.02
From: Houston

Since last post: 54 days
Last activity: 54 days
#6 Posted on 27.3.02 0301.37
Reposted on: 27.3.09 0301.39

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.


But will Flair be the actual "booker" for this show, or merely the on-screen figurehead?

As FAB mentioned, the creative team remains the same, so not much should change there.
ges7184
Lap cheong
Level: 77

Posts: 80/1495
EXP: 4067513
For next: 123635

Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

Since last post: 112 days
Last activity: 36 days
#7 Posted on 27.3.02 1005.42
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1008.13
Are the writing staffs really the same? I had hopes they would be two different writing staffs for each show. I know they had posted jobs for writers not too long ago, and kind of assumed it was for the purpose of creating two writing staffs.

I think if they are using the same writing staff for both shows, that takes away an advantage (and hope for) the split (oops, I mean 'brand extension'). I thought that with a complete split crew (wrestlers, staff, and all) that it would lighten the work-load, and maybe lead to more imagination from the writers (who would have a full week to come up with material for only half of the old roster for their one show). I'm not sure, if the writers are still having to write everything, that there is much advantage to the split (I mean 'brand extension').
cfgb
Bierwurst
Level: 85

Posts: 384/1906
EXP: 5858507
For next: 40057

Since: 2.1.02
From: Ottawa, Ontario

Since last post: 4 days
Last activity: 6 hours
#8 Posted on 27.3.02 1150.21
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1150.54
According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.

Are you SURE Steve Austin agrees with Mick Foley? I've never heard him bash Ric Flair as a booker, though I wasn't an online geek at the time so I could have missed it.

Flair is actually an awesome booker. If you need proof, just check out the first half of 1994 at your video store. WCW put out awesome show after awesome show. Their peak in my opinion was Slamboree 1994, which is one of my favorite shows ever.

Flair knows who to push and how. Though I don't actually think he'll be booking anything on "his show" it sure would be nice to see him get a chance.
Travis
Boerewors
Level: 43

Posts: 152/385
EXP: 528394
For next: 36657

Since: 7.3.02
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 4818 days
Last activity: 4754 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#9 Posted on 27.3.02 1152.52
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1153.55
Sir-
Wrestling is fake. Ric Flair doesn't REALLY own any part of the WWF.

Thank you.
DrOp
Frankfurter
Level: 60

Posts: 140/859
EXP: 1772532
For next: 256

Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 2514 days
Last activity: 1381 days
#10 Posted on 27.3.02 1206.43
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1210.53
We know that Travis.

I think you've missed cfgb's point. I'll try to summarize, help me, cfgb, if I get it all wrong:

There was a time in WCW when Flair was both a wrestler and the head booker (much like Stephanie is annoying and a sorry writer). He did well (unlike Steph). He was leaps and bounds better than Dusty Rhodes, Kevin Sullivan and the rest of those losers.

The writing staffs should not be the same group of people for both shows. I am in agreement with the folk at the Torch that two separate staffs headed/watched by Vince is probably best as it would create a 'real' sense of competition.

If they DID have two staffs, why not have Flair have some input into how RAW is laid out? He's as good if not better than Stephanie, just compare their products. Knowing who and when to push is critical to success. And I think a little quasi-worked shoot would add to the drama of the split. But that's just me...
Travis
Boerewors
Level: 43

Posts: 155/385
EXP: 528394
For next: 36657

Since: 7.3.02
From: Baltimore, MD

Since last post: 4818 days
Last activity: 4754 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#11 Posted on 27.3.02 1213.24
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1229.01
My comments were directed at the author of the original post. I wouldn't really be too into this board if the aforementioned facts weren't common knowledge.
Trineo
Mettwurst
Level: 29

Posts: 35/160
EXP: 141392
For next: 6494

Since: 19.3.02
From: Boston

Since last post: 4678 days
Last activity: 4545 days
AIM:  
#12 Posted on 27.3.02 1249.03
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1259.08

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Guys, I think we may be getting a little optimistic about Flair, from a booker-standpoint. According to guys such as Steve Austin and Mick Foley, Ric Flair was actually a horrendous booker in WCW.


I think some other people said this, but I'm just agreeing with them. I don't think Austin had any problems with Flair as booker. If I remember right, didn't Flair think Austin was the person who could carry the mantel after Flair hung up the boots? Austin fell out of the good graces of WCW entirely when Bischoff took over and started bringing in the old WWF rejects.
Sean
Cotechino
Level: 22

Posts: 7/88
EXP: 57629
For next: 722

Since: 26.3.02
From: Mastic, NY

Since last post: 4765 days
Last activity: 3854 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#13 Posted on 27.3.02 1310.55
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1311.13
The writing crew will be the same for both shows - Stephanie McMahon, Brian Gewertz, Bruce Pritchard, Paul Heyman, and Vince McMahon. The idea that someone might actually give Ric Flair any input into booking is handicapped at best.

The only thing that ever came out of Ric Flair booking is Ric Flair being pushed to the top of the card - the only reason this beats Dusty's booking, of course, is because Dusty was a big flabby piece of shit, while Ric Flair was a great wrestler. I love ya, Big Duth, but it's true.
Punkinhed
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 60/202
EXP: 201698
For next: 4746

Since: 23.1.02

Since last post: 4528 days
Last activity: 4503 days
#14 Posted on 27.3.02 1336.04
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1348.35


Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.

Sean
Cotechino
Level: 22

Posts: 9/88
EXP: 57629
For next: 722

Since: 26.3.02
From: Mastic, NY

Since last post: 4765 days
Last activity: 3854 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
#15 Posted on 27.3.02 1408.57
Reposted on: 27.3.09 1429.05

    Originally posted by Punkinhed


    Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.




Flair will not be given any control over RAW booking, period. Even if (by some freakish act of hypothesis) Flair was given the book, he would do whatever any other onscreen performer did when they were booking - put himself on TV way too much.
Mr. Boffo
Scrapple
Level: 115

Posts: 6/3844
EXP: 16640985
For next: 170430

Since: 24.3.02
From: Oshkosh, WI

Since last post: 731 days
Last activity: 692 days
#16 Posted on 27.3.02 2030.04
Reposted on: 27.3.09 2031.19

    Originally posted by Sean

      Originally posted by Punkinhed


      Actually I realize that Flair doesn't own any part of the WWF. I apoligize if I gave you that impression. What I was trying to ask was wheither you and your esteemed collegues on this board thought that Flair would have any degree of control over the booking for Raw, and if so what kind of job he'd do. At least he's a wrestler, unlike Vince.




    Flair will not be given any control over RAW booking, period. Even if (by some freakish act of hypothesis) Flair was given the book, he would do whatever any other onscreen performer did when they were booking - put himself on TV way too much.


Like someone else said, at least him being on tv too much would have to be better than having "Head Writer" Stephanie McMahon, like we've had to put up with recently.
SerWolfe
Landjager
Level: 63

Posts: 575/955
EXP: 2075899
For next: 21264

Since: 11.1.02
From: st louis

Since last post: 4493 days
Last activity: 4493 days
AIM:  
#17 Posted on 27.3.02 2138.11
Reposted on: 27.3.09 2138.36
Flair is a legend. Seeing him on screen would be a lot better than seeing Steph or Shane. I remember how good WcW was when he was booking and i think if he can bring that to the wwf brand then i wish vince would give him a chance to do it. I believe Flair knows his time in the full spotlight is done... but i agree he would know who to push and when to do it.
Omega Red
Weisswurst
Level: 12

Posts: 12/21
EXP: 6742
For next: 1179

Since: 19.2.02

Since last post: 4822 days
Last activity: 4821 days
#18 Posted on 28.3.02 0011.34
Reposted on: 28.3.09 0012.29

    Originally posted by Sean
    The writing crew will be the same for both shows - Stephanie McMahon, Brian Gewertz, Bruce Pritchard, Paul Heyman, and Vince McMahon. The idea that someone might actually give Ric Flair any input into booking is handicapped at best.

    The only thing that ever came out of Ric Flair booking is Ric Flair being pushed to the top of the card - the only reason this beats Dusty's booking, of course, is because Dusty was a big flabby piece of shit, while Ric Flair was a great wrestler. I love ya, Big Duth, but it's true.



It's hard to say with Flair, the only time's he had the book in WCW he was easily the best worker and personality in the promotion, so it's kinda like, any smart person with the book would've pushed Flair. Regardless, Vince and company are booking both shows, and they're doing it in order to keep a sense of competition for rising between the two shows. Think about it, if they were run like seperate companies, neither side would want to job to the other, or if one of their guys was champ, they wouldn't want their guy dropping the belt to a guy from the other show, ect...
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Trade Secrets (Fantasy Trades)
Next thread: What Happens if UPN Cancels Smackdown?
Previous thread: Mr Perfect
(10245 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
The 7 - Pro Wrestling - Flair's showRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2015 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.361 seconds.