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Tony Stewart
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#1 Posted on 17.8.04 2034.19
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It's that time of year again and what a shocker on day #1 with Men the Master getting the boot with a pair of Aces in his hand. There's way to much cannon fodder out there right now. It's gotta be tough for the pro's early on trying to read all the different wildness of these players.

...and the big time list of hit's grew


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last year's second place finisher Farhar
Scotty Nugyen
and Chris Moneymaker who never looked like he was into what he was doing anyway


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#2 Posted on 17.8.04 2249.20
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What I loved is all the sour faces from some of the big guys. Helmuth is well, Phil for you, but Menh's reaction was priceless. I hate to say it, but *everyone* knows it's an anyone-with-the-money tourney, so you just adapt to the game. Sheesh.


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I hate to say it, but I mark out for Dan Negranu, and saying "good hand" and shaking hands is how you leave out.


The "guess I'm not getting an autograph" line was classic.
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#3 Posted on 18.8.04 0923.13
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I was sad to see Men the ?Master go to some amateur. And whats with the headphones on everyone?
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#4 Posted on 18.8.04 0930.20
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I don't want to look like I'm shilling for another board, but for anyone who is interested in WSOP and wants to get a lot of first-hand impressions of what went down, including the take on the whole thing from the person who won the whole thing, check out Two Plus Two's Msg Boards (twoplustwo.com). A lot of the posters there played in this year's WSOP and even if they weren't the famous ones they often played with the famous players.


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The guy who won it, Greg Raymer, posts on there as FossilMan.
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#5 Posted on 18.8.04 0932.25
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Was I the only one who wanted to leap through the TV and tell Annie Oakley to shut the hell up when she was crying about some stupid push of chips?
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#6 Posted on 18.8.04 1642.11
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The headphone deal is that these tournaments go about 12-14 hours a day, 11 of those folding hands, so you need something to distract/entertain for that time and at the same time, help you not hear all the commotion around (2600 plus all the crowd = heavy traffic).

As for Annie, I don't blame her cause she's trying to make the point that there are rules and etiquette in poker, but she did over react a little about it.

Moneymaker shows why he was a fluke when he went all in A-10 after the flop when he didn't hit anything. To early on a tournament to bluff. I do like how they are focusing on all tables not only on the TV table, it adds to the experience. More to come...

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#7 Posted on 18.8.04 1651.45
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A couple of thoughts:

-Anyone who has ever read either "Positively Fifth St." or any of Danny Negraneau's posts on FullContactPoker would know that Annie Duke is the biggest bitch in poker. She is notorious for diving in the muck, peeking at hole cards, and general breaches of etiquette.

-The headphones hadn't been allowed for a few years, hence it being somewhat odd to see them. I remember Hellmuth mentioning that banning of the headphones in "Play Poker Like the Pros"

-I'll just point out that Moneymaker came damn close in one of the Omaha tourneys at this year's WSOP, and made a WPT final table IIRC. He's not the best player in the world, but at this point that has nothing to do with winning WSOP. It is what the NCAA men's BB tourney tries to pretend to be, a one-shot thing where any cinderella can win. Moneymaker is a good tournament player (reports are that he's totally awful in ring games), not the best, but pretty solid.
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#8 Posted on 18.8.04 1714.37
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- I know Moneymaker is a solid player, but you can't deny he had waaay to much luck involved to get to the final table. He did finish 2nd at the San Jose WPT IIRC and also cashed at the Omaha this year. And of course, he's at the finals of the Blindman Bluff tournament!

- Using the IPod on a tournament the other day, it does help with the foucosing, especially reading tells on the other players, but it does distract from the banter and fun of the table to a point that it can become boring.

- Now I really have to read Positvely 5th St.
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#9 Posted on 18.8.04 1757.08
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We just got the World series final (what year I don't know) down here a few weeks ago. Man I hope they plan on televising this down here. It soooo got me in.


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#10 Posted on 18.8.04 2153.12
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    I'll just point out that Moneymaker came damn close in one of the Omaha tourneys at this year's WSOP, and made a WPT final table IIRC. He's not the best player in the world, but at this point that has nothing to do with winning WSOP. It is what the NCAA men's BB tourney tries to pretend to be, a one-shot thing where any cinderella can win. Moneymaker is a good tournament player (reports are that he's totally awful in ring games), not the best, but pretty solid.


Moneymaker almost looked relieved to be going home at least compared to Men being flabbergasted by what happened. I think the *rock-star* poker lifestyle has worn on Moneymaker a bit, but like it or not he is a big reason why so many amateurs are there this year.
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#11 Posted on 19.8.04 0936.38
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    Originally posted by Tony Stewart
    Moneymaker almost looked relieved to be going home at least compared to Men being flabbergasted by what happened. I think the *rock-star* poker lifestyle has worn on Moneymaker a bit, but like it or not he is a big reason why so many amateurs are there this year.


I think you might be right on that. A couple of quotes from an ESPN chat done with Moneymaker on Aug. 17 (proxy.espn.go.com)

    Originally posted by chat transcript
    Jimmy (Phoenix, AZ): Hey Chris!!! Besides the money, what has been the biggest change that winning the WSOP has had on your personal life? (Just want to know so when I win it someday, I'll know what to expect :)...thanks

    Chris Moneymaker: First of all, it put me on the road more. I quit my old job and I travel a lot more now.

    Jimmy (Phoenix, AZ): Hey Chris!!! Besides the money, what has been the biggest change that winning the WSOP has had on your personal life? (Just want to know so when I win it someday, I'll know what to expect :)...thanks

    Chris Moneymaker: First of all, it put me on the road more. I quit my old job and I travel a lot more now.

    Pat (Chicago): Do you feel like you walk into a game with a bullseye on your back now that you've won the Big One? Have you had to change your game since then?

    Chris Moneymaker: Everytime I feel lile I have a bullseye

    Mark (DC): How is your family/wife taking your new career choice?

    Chris Moneymaker: It's difficult at times being on the road. But other than that, it's fine.

    Melanie (los angeles): Do people recognize you now in public from seeing you on TV?

    Chris Moneymaker: Everyday. Everywhere I go. It can be good or bad. Depends on the day.

    Levi (Atlanta, GA): Chris, Do you plan on going back into mainstream "work" in the future or are you devoting the rest of your life to playing poker? (And no, this isn't your mom).

    Chris Moneymaker: I plan on going back to mainstream work. Poker is great for now but it's not a great lifestyle.

    jim (Ny): why not a great lifestyle? the travel?

    Chris Moneymaker: The travel, the uncertainty. Once you live the lifestyle, you understand. You lose tough with everything.



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#12 Posted on 19.8.04 1447.56
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    Originally posted by spf2119
    A couple of thoughts:

    -Anyone who has ever read either "Positively Fifth St." or any of Danny Negraneau's posts on FullContactPoker would know that Annie Duke is the biggest bitch in poker. She is notorious for diving in the muck, peeking at hole cards, and general breaches of etiquette.


Yeah, I thought she was being quite hypocritical the other night. I like the passage in "Positively Fifth Street" about her playing pregnant, and how everybody just let her be a bitch because they figured it was hormones or something.

I loved the book, and it should be read, but there's a lot more on the murder mystery than the poker. In fact, I wish MacManus focused more on the poker than the murder, but he was being paid to look at the murder.
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#13 Posted on 20.8.04 0649.27
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Weren't they allowed to smoke while playing last year?
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#14 Posted on 20.8.04 0835.10
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Nope - Sam Farha could never light up. I think that's a reflection of less smoking allowed in various parts of casinos.
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#15 Posted on 20.8.04 2029.46
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The funny thing is, Sam Farha actually doesn't smoke at all anymore. He keeps the unlit cig as a placebo - kind of like how I chew gum.

If you were a smoker, playing those marathon sessions in a no-smoking environment would be really, really hard. Your concentration and memory really get shot when you're jonesing for a cig and can't have one.
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#16 Posted on 21.8.04 0010.20
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Are you telling me that you can't even light up in the palaces of Sin City? Welcome to Crazy World indeed.
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#17 Posted on 21.8.04 0826.38
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    Originally posted by Tony Stewart
    Are you telling me that you can't even light up in the palaces of Sin City? Welcome to Crazy World indeed.


In most places you can, but there are some places more sensitive to the non-smokers of the world. They probably can't smoke at the WSOP because it would look bad on TV.
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#18 Posted on 21.8.04 1433.45
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    If you were a smoker, playing those marathon sessions in a no-smoking environment would be really, really hard. Your concentration and memory really get shot when you're jonesing for a cig and can't have one.



They take periodic breaks. Plus, you can get up anytime you want, you'll just happen to miss a hand or three.
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#19 Posted on 21.8.04 1941.41
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Yeah, in one of the earlier episodes they showed the guy who was pissing off Jim McManus getting up from the table for a few hands to go outside and smoke (and ranting about the hand he thought McManus had - "Jack high? JACK HIGH?!?").
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#20 Posted on 22.8.04 1113.34
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About the Annie Duke situation.

I don't know how much poker you guys play, but some people are really tight on rules and etiquette. Believe me. Sometimes it seems as though people don't like newcomers and want to embarass/intimidate them by chewing them out about not-so-important things.

Poker is very tradition oriented. And if you are going to throw down ten-thousand F'ing dollars, you should have played as much to know all the nuances.


About Mr. Helmuth. I understand where he comes from, and am surprised that more players aren't like him(Or Stu Ungar from what I have read). When you invest a lot of time/money in something, you get really pissed when things don't go your way. ESPECIALLY when you get beat by an opponent who doesn't know what he is doing. These pros study every move they make, and amatuers, well don't. Their randomness is going to cause a lot of headaches.

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