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#21 Posted on 18.8.04 0715.28
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    Originally posted by DrOp
    I'm not disagreeing with you Grimis, but aren't there already proposals to do this type of this with current driver's licences? I swear I've heard talk of actually using the rear magnetic strip so that eventually you have one card for everything (bank, credit, driving, ID). Most of the newer licences have basic features that are all similar (holographic covers, double pictures, etc.) Call me a cynic, but I've always felt that most of our "privacy" was really an illusion. They can track you now by credit card and ATM use, not to mention the GPS systems in all new cell phones.
All of that is true(especially if you've had to go to the MVA to see our new licenses). Even so,there will have to be legislation to allow for am nadate the drivers license as an ID card. As far as I'm concerned, a national ID card and the "federalization"(for lack of a better term) of the drivers licenses are basically the same.
    Originally posted by DrOp
    They can track you now by credit card and ATM use, not to mention the GPS systems in all new cell phones.
All true, but all voluntary...
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#22 Posted on 18.8.04 0806.19
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Growing up in South Africa, my parents had to carry Pass Books, which they had to present on request. It's scary to think that idea could come back, especially in the USA.
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#23 Posted on 18.8.04 0811.46
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    Growing up in South Africa, my parents had to carry Pass Books, which they had to present on request. It's scary to think that idea could come back, especially in the USA.
And that brings up a good point too. People can be cofidifed and segregated by race, religion, political affiliation, etc. with a national ID card.
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#24 Posted on 18.8.04 1703.48
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    Originally posted by DrOp
    Call me a cynic, but I've always felt that most of our "privacy" was really an illusion. They can track you now by credit card and ATM use, not to mention the GPS systems in all new cell phones.


This was my thinking, in reading the thread. I'm certainly against this national ID card, because I don't want to formalize the tracking process, but I'd be surprised if the Feds couldn't instantly get ahold of almost anyone as it is.

I mean, sure, you don't *have* to get a driver's license, but how many people do you know without one?

I always liken our privacy to the last part of the movie "Seven." They really needed to track down Kevin Spacey and Morgan Freeman was like, "Well, we can always get a list of people who've checked out this library book."

To which Bradd Pitt replies, "Isn't that illegal?"

And Morgan Freeman says, "Yes, but..."
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#25 Posted on 18.8.04 1731.13
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    I agree with the ACLU, and I agree with Grimis, and you know how that makes me crazy.



    Man, I'd have figured if we were all here a hundred years from now that would be a quote I'd never see.

    If I missed it earlier I apologize, but no one's brought the whole "mark of the beast" thing into this yet?

    (edited by Barbwire Mike on 18.8.04 1532)
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#26 Posted on 18.8.04 1924.33
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    Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
    If I missed it earlier I apologize, but no one's brought the whole "mark of the beast" thing into this yet?
It has not been brought up here, but I have seen it before. There are some now who rail against the overuse of the Social Security Number by using this argument. There have also been pieces of leiglsation, at both the state and federal level, to re-restrict the use of the SSN to its intended purpose.
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#27 Posted on 19.8.04 1143.28
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I'm pretty sure that the "mark of the beast" mentioned in Revelation is the VeriChip they're currently developing.

I'll post some links later, but it's already been mentioned in many corporate media outlets as being in the trial phase of development, and recently the word is that it might be introduced into the U.S. as a tracking device used for patients in hospitals. (sound a little fishy? talk about your slippery slope!)

One day it's intended that you won't be able to make any financial transaction or gain access to any public building without swiping your subcutaneous VeriChip through a scanner. It fits conveniently under your skin and you have the option of having it implanted either in your forehead or your wrist! Wow!

What a brave new world we inhabit.......

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#28 Posted on 19.8.04 1159.27
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    Originally posted by Malarky
    I'm pretty sure that the "mark of the beast" mentioned in Revelation is the VeriChip they're currently developing.

    I'll post some links later, but it's already been mentioned in many corporate media outlets as being in the trial phase of development, and recently the word is that it might be introduced into the U.S. as a tracking device used for patients in hospitals. (sound a little fishy? talk about your slippery slope!)

    One day it's intended that you won't be able to make any financial transaction or gain access to any public building without swiping your subcutaneous VeriChip through a scanner. It fits conveniently under your skin and you have the option of having it implanted either in your forehead or your wrist! Wow!

    What a brave new world we inhabit.......




I believe it's Mexico that has implanted tracking chips on officials they feel are threatened by the drug cartels. That way they can locate them if somethin happens.
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#29 Posted on 19.8.04 1346.03
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I believe it's Mexico that has implanted tracking chips on officials they feel are threatened by the drug cartels. That way they can locate them if something happens.

The Mexican Attorney General and his staff have had a chip implanted. However, they do not have tracking capabilities, they are for security reasons (i.e. gain access to sensitive areas). They are also discussing using them to store personal information such as medical records so that if someone is in an accident then doctors can get the relevant medical information.

Here's an article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5439055/

EDIT: Clarification--the medical information chip is completely different from the security clearance for the AG and is not specific for Mexico. It would be for people who have allergies or some sort of specific medical condition so that doctors can get their information quickly in an emergency situation. At this point it is a consumer product that someone can buy. Sorry about the confusion, poor wording on my part.

(edited by Corajudo on 19.8.04 1354)
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#30 Posted on 19.8.04 1349.34
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    The Mexican Attorney General and his staff have had a chip implanted. However, they do not have tracking capabilities, they are for security reasons (i.e. gain access to sensitive areas). They are also discussing using them to store personal information such as medical records so that if someone is in an accident then doctors can get the relevant medical information.

    Here's an article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5439055/
All of which means in Mexico that:
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#31 Posted on 19.8.04 2118.15
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Mexico today, USA tomorrow.....

But seriously, is there anyone out there who believes that chipping people, for WHATEVER reason (and yes, they'll try to sell it to you as a safety/convenience device) is a good idea?

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