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#1 Posted on 13.8.04 1850.58
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This movie is awesome and I reccomend it to anyone who likes these movies or doesn't. I love how they tie the stories of both movies together in this and Freddy vs. Jason. Don't read the following if you don't want to spoil it.
*SPOILERS*

I like how they show that along time ago the Predators were gods to the people and they had a war with the aliens every 100 years. I was keeping score of the fights between the Alien and Predator. Alien goes up 1-0 then Predator ties it up and so on. I was rooting for the Alien but I knew the Predator would win. The ending is the greatest how you see the Alien pop out of the predators stomach which makes you know there's a sequel. The ending is a lot like Freddy vs. Jason.
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#2 Posted on 13.8.04 1918.53
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Were you watching the same movie I was?

It was an hour of shitty dialogue and boring crap, then the Predators showed up and it was balls to the walls killing. Can an hour of killing make up for an hour of crap? Nope.
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#3 Posted on 13.8.04 1925.22
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Are you a fan of these movies cause I think it was awseome. I'll admit there was a little too much stuff before the Predators showed up but the movie was amazing. What did you expect, for the Aliens and Predators to only kill a few people in the whole movie. There were awesome fights between the Alien and Predator and an awesome ending and story. Don't listen to that other guy this movie is awesome if you're a fan of the others.
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#4 Posted on 13.8.04 2020.44
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I'm with Freeway on this one.

Whoever wins, we lose? HA!

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#5 Posted on 13.8.04 2045.41
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I so wanted it to work. I should have known, with Paul W.S. Anderson directing. And I (and other) die hards were very disappointed. I have the quadrilogy, and am convinced of their greatness. I'll watch Predator every time that it's on TV, edited or not, and am picking up the new DVD this weekend, probably. The AvP comics were pretty damn cool. Hell, I'd rather play the video game than see the movie again.

SPOILER:
What's with the total discarding of the histories of the movies? I wasn't aware that facehug to egg to baby took like ten minutes. I thought that the whole Predator 2 ending was basically ruined. And what was up with the Predator gun?

It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, but I was totally bummed out that it didn't rise above even Alien: Resurrection in terms of quality. Too much quick cut editing, generic characters and dialogue, and little respect for the histories of the two franchises.

EDIT: And you gotta love the 10% (right now) rating on Rotten Tomatoes. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_vs_predator/

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#6 Posted on 13.8.04 2215.13
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I haven't seen it, but I'm sure that those who say Anderson is ruining a franchise are entirely correct. All the same, I think the Alien franchise took a big knock when they released a "quadrilogy" instead of a "tetralogy": you know, a word that exists.

I'm amazed that still bugs me. But maybe it's the price of the thing that does it for me. If I'm going to spend $80 on a set of movies, I kind of want them named correctly. It's the details in the production that do it for me.
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#7 Posted on 13.8.04 2223.28
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OK I'm not a big fan of these movies but I loved this and I don't see how it ruined the Alien movies or whyit was bad. Could someone please explain this.
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#8 Posted on 13.8.04 2237.08
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    Originally posted by SirNorty
    OK I'm not a big fan of these movies but I loved this and I don't see how it ruined the Alien movies or whyit was bad. Could someone please explain this.


For the best explanation of how awesome and wonderful the original Alien movie was, I'll send you to Roger Ebert's article on Alien in his Great Movies section: http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/greatmovies/alien.html

Selected quotes that I feel are absolutely true:

    Originally posted by Roger Ebert

    One of the great strengths of "Alien" is its pacing. It takes its time. It waits. It allows silences (the majestic opening shots are underscored by Jerry Goldsmith with scarcely audible, far-off metallic chatterings). It suggests the enormity of the crew's discovery by building up to it with small steps: The interception of a signal (is it a warning or an SOS?). The descent to the extraterrestrial surface. The bitching by Brett and Parker, who are concerned only about collecting their shares. The masterstroke of the surface murk through which the crew members move, their helmet lights hardly penetrating the soup. The shadowy outline of the alien ship. The sight of the alien pilot, frozen in his command chair. The enormity of the discovery inside the ship ("It's full of ... leathery eggs ...").

    A recent version of this story would have hurtled toward the part where the alien jumps on the crew members. Today's slasher movies, in the sci-fi genre and elsewhere, are all pay-off and no buildup. Consider the wretched remake of the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," which cheats its audience out of an explanation, an introduction of the chain-saw family, and even a proper ending. It isn't the slashing that we enjoy. It's the waiting for the slashing.



Simply an awesome summary of why Alien is a great movie. At least to me.

And look at AvP. All slasher, very little down time and suspense. It's not the body count or the fight scenes that count, it's the mood and the setting and what doesn't happen. Alien wasn't "Friday the 13th" in space, and I almost felt like AvP was closer to Freddy, Jason, and Michael Myers than the brilliant original movies.
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#9 Posted on 13.8.04 2237.52
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    Originally posted by SirNorty
    OK I'm not a big fan of these movies but I loved this and I don't see how it ruined the Alien movies or whyit was bad. Could someone please explain this.


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#10 Posted on 13.8.04 2254.49
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I think if anyone is remotely a fan of any of the Alien or Predator films, they will be insulted by AVP and see it for the piece shitty crap that it is. This movie is not worthy of the name of Alien Versus Predator. I mean they actually bleeped out the "You're one ugly mother-fucker!" line! Pathetic. PG-13 rated chestbursting scenes suck. The characters and dialogue sucked. See that's the thing, watch the first Predator movie, the characters were awesome and the writing was great. None of the characters in AVP are interesting, cool, or anything. They are all useless, dull, and boring. Sanaa Lathan was basically trying to be Sigourney Weaver, but she failed miserably. Good God, FACEHUGGERS DOING MATRIX WIRE-FU! Fuck you Paul W.S. Anderson, seriously go fuck yourself up the ass with a spiked mace.
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#11 Posted on 14.8.04 0009.23
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Now it wasn't thaaat bad. I was enjoying myself until the alien-head shield. That kind of burst my bubble. Up until then I kept rooting for Net-boy to come back.

The very moment I saw that it was in 2004, I knew it wasn't going to be "right" so I decided to sit down and enjoy the ride.

I don't think you can really make any movie with "Vs" in the title into a horror movie. Plus, it was based more on the Aliens style shoot-em-up-horror pacing rather than the Alien style oh-my-god-how-do-we-kill-it pacing.

My only beef (aside from the STUPID head shield thing) was that the Predators were just being too goody-goody. There should have been like twice the number of humans, and had some more of them hunted by the Preds in the temple.
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#12 Posted on 14.8.04 1000.58
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    Originally posted by Roy.
      Originally posted by SirNorty
      OK I'm not a big fan of these movies but I loved this and I don't see how it ruined the Alien movies or whyit was bad. Could someone please explain this.


    For the best explanation of how awesome and wonderful the original Alien movie was, I'll send you to Roger Ebert's article on Alien in his Great Movies section: http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/greatmovies/alien.html

    Selected quotes that I feel are absolutely true:

      Originally posted by Roger Ebert

      One of the great strengths of "Alien" is its pacing. It takes its time. It waits. It allows silences (the majestic opening shots are underscored by Jerry Goldsmith with scarcely audible, far-off metallic chatterings). It suggests the enormity of the crew's discovery by building up to it with small steps: The interception of a signal (is it a warning or an SOS?). The descent to the extraterrestrial surface. The bitching by Brett and Parker, who are concerned only about collecting their shares. The masterstroke of the surface murk through which the crew members move, their helmet lights hardly penetrating the soup. The shadowy outline of the alien ship. The sight of the alien pilot, frozen in his command chair. The enormity of the discovery inside the ship ("It's full of ... leathery eggs ...").

      A recent version of this story would have hurtled toward the part where the alien jumps on the crew members. Today's slasher movies, in the sci-fi genre and elsewhere, are all pay-off and no buildup. Consider the wretched remake of the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," which cheats its audience out of an explanation, an introduction of the chain-saw family, and even a proper ending. It isn't the slashing that we enjoy. It's the waiting for the slashing.



    Simply an awesome summary of why Alien is a great movie. At least to me.

    And look at AvP. All slasher, very little down time and suspense. It's not the body count or the fight scenes that count, it's the mood and the setting and what doesn't happen. Alien wasn't "Friday the 13th" in space, and I almost felt like AvP was closer to Freddy, Jason, and Michael Myers than the brilliant original movies.


When I said I'm not a big fan I didn't mean I haven't seen the movie. Alien is an amazing movie, I love it and I just watched it the other night before I saw AVP
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#13 Posted on 15.8.04 0115.02
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Consider me not a fan of the movies because I thoroughly enjoyed this one. My only gripe about it is the weather depiction. I mean, they're in the freakin' Antarctic and not one trace of apparent breath when they speak. And the girl runs around (adrenalin notwithstanding) in her thin sweater without any ill effects.

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#14 Posted on 15.8.04 0220.25
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Just an idiotic movie. Some more plot holes...

* The old 'outrun the explosion' schtick. So the shockwave from the explosion is enough to total an entire whaling village, and yet the chick and the Predator survive it by DUCKING AND COVERING.

* The Predators destroyed an entire civilization, and yet someone was apparently still alive to carve out that novella of a hieroglyph.

* On a related note, what the hell language were those glyphs in? The Italian archeologist was able to understand that stuff like it was written in pig latin.
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#15 Posted on 15.8.04 1215.34
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'Whoever wins, we lose!'

-----
Here are you Box Office Estimates for the weekend...

#1) Alien vs. Predator - $38,250,000
#2) The Princess Diaries 2 - $23,025,000
#3) Collateral - $16,000,000
#4) YuGiOh The Movie - $9,360,000
#5) The Bourne Supremacy - $8,303,000
-----

NOW who's the loser...

They're saying this is actually lower then it could have been thanks to the storm that hit Florida. The studio was hoping it would open in the low $20 million range. Does this mean you people who hated it are losing cause it'll probably spawn a sequel now?

Did anyone expect YuGiOh to make close to $10 million over the weekend?
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#16 Posted on 15.8.04 1830.04
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    NOW who's the loser...

    They're saying this is actually lower then it could have been thanks to the storm that hit Florida. The studio was hoping it would open in the low $20 million range. Does this mean you people who hated it are losing cause it'll probably spawn a sequel now?

    Did anyone expect YuGiOh to make close to $10 million over the weekend?


This means nothing. Kangaroo Jack won the box office one weekend and it didn't make it any less of an abomination. This is going to be a dry few weeks at the box office until Hero is released nationwide.

(Luckily, I live in L.A., so I'll be able to see it on Friday)
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#17 Posted on 16.8.04 0750.27
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Plot holes, bad acting, prior-movie-plot-forgetting, oh my!

This movie has absolutely no right to be enjoyed, but my advice for anyone going to see this is to see it with a kid....providing you or they can hang with an F-bomb, which I have given my son the benefit of the doubt on. He laughed at EVERYTHING, and had a blast watching this. The true secret to watching a movie like this and enjoying it is watching it with a kid, who gives not a crap in the world about the other movies before it (all of the Predator and Alien movies were rated R anyway), plot holes, or acting. His enthusiasm was contageous, and I liked it. I wouldn't even say I liked it anywhere near any of the first two movies of either franchise (only saw those 4), but worth the matinee price, to me.
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#18 Posted on 16.8.04 1749.21
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The best part of AVP was some guy who laughed
derisively every time something stupid happened.

And no, it wasn't me.

I'm not sure if they sped up Alien gestation by
50x or simply ignored the passing of time.

The worst part is that when confronted, humans
usually die without even firing a shot. Weak.

Outrunning the bomb was absurd, but that has
become an action movie cliche at this point.

CGI and the obligatory plot twists of directors
like M. Night Sabu are ruining the movie industry.

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#19 Posted on 16.8.04 1837.03
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I saw it this weekend with a friend (it was either that or The Village or Little Black Book...they were the only things playing at midnight). It was...okay, I guess. But after watching Feardotcom and LXG, I think I can appreciate just about anything. The story was...interesting to say the least. But I think another reason I didn't hate this movie too much was because my friend and I had a good time MST3King through out the whole movie. I just wished it had more action or gore in it.
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