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#1 Posted on 11.8.04 1132.17
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Coming the summer after next, I give you The Beast. I'm going to refrain from comment - although I will say that I like the release date.

I'm not 100% sold if this movie is even real or not - (The Internet Movie Database has nothing), but if it is, it's going to make Dogma and The Passion of the Christ look about as controversial as Finding Nemo.
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#2 Posted on 11.8.04 1204.42
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Coming out on 6-6-06. That's some release date. It better be worth holding out for TWO YEARS for.
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#3 Posted on 11.8.04 1216.20
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Well, that certainly LOOKED interesting. Actually, looked like a promo for a new WWE wrestler.

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#4 Posted on 11.8.04 1224.25
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It certainly has plenty of chances to talk about the director, Brian Flemming, through links, but it has no distribution for a film where the staff is "legally sworn to secrecy."

Looks like a lot of marketing and no substance so far.
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#5 Posted on 11.8.04 1229.37
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Damn, here I am thinking they're introducing the character in the next X-Men film.
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#6 Posted on 11.8.04 1338.42
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What is this? A documentary? A seriously made religious film like the Passion? A thriller starring Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz, with a special cameo from Hector Elizondo as Lucifer?
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#7 Posted on 11.8.04 1416.34
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From the site (thebeastmovie.com):

    When her father, a biblical scholar, mysteriously disappears, a Christian high-school student named Danielle investigates. She discovers that he had stumbled across a cover-up of Christianity's best-kept secret: That Jesus Christ never existed.

    Now that she possesses proof of this dangerous fact, Danielle must confront two strong forces: a band of fundamentalist Christians who will stop at nothing to suppress the truth, and her own desire for Jesus Christ to be real.

    Diving into territory well-explored by scholars but largely hidden from the view of the public, The Beast is an epic story of innocence lost, faith in crisis, and the astonish power of the truth to survive.
So I guess it's not a documentary. The site seems kinda cheesy, counting down from 666 days and all. The movie reminds me of The Body (imdb.com), which seemed more interesting.
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#8 Posted on 11.8.04 1504.35
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"The Body" is a more interesting premise ... To make the claim that Jesus did not exist AT ALL is built around evidence that is flimsy at best, but to argue that the resurrection never happened - that would be a little easier for people to swallow (well, not certain people, but you get what I'm saying).



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#9 Posted on 11.8.04 1853.07
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I thought there WAS historical proof that Jesus existed (He was even mentioned briefly in my public high school history book), but all the other stuff about him was being debated.

Also, I think it's either a fake movie, or there's someone out there who really wants to put this movie together, but it'll never actually happen.
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#10 Posted on 11.8.04 1920.41
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Sounds like a ripoff of the Da Vinci Code. Which I thought sucked by the way.
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#11 Posted on 11.8.04 1957.21
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It's not a Dan Severn biopic

...or Bob Sapp.

Anyway, I agree, it looks like some OVW-guy-coming-to-Smackdown intro vignette.
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#12 Posted on 11.8.04 2034.27
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    I thought there WAS historical proof that Jesus existed (He was even mentioned briefly in my public high school history book), but all the other stuff about him was being debated.


When you go back 2,000 years, it's hard to historically prove anyone existed. Still, it seems fairly unreasonable to assume he didn't.

(I'm the biggest atheist on the planet, and I'm 99.9% sure that a man named Jesus Christ existed twenty centuries ago and, as Douglas Adams put it, "got nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be if people would be nice to each other for a change".)


EDIT: Now, on the "is this real" debate - another fact I neglected to point out earlier. They launched their website on Monday of this week - 666 days until the film's theoretical release. You'd think that they'd try to make a big deal of that. I found out about it two days later through a small, randomly generated text advertisement on my comments window on my blog. To help you understand the level of advertisements that usually pop up there, this is what's there right now.

It's not quite a media blitz.

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#13 Posted on 12.8.04 0624.41
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Did anyone see the Peen & Teller: Bulls**t episode where they delt with Jesus and religion? It was a really good show. They showed what they call "proof" on there being no God. Plus, they talk about another guy who, I cannot remember his name, they talked about who had the same story as Jesus. ala being killed, comeing back to live, blah blah.
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#14 Posted on 12.8.04 0630.42
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I personally love 'Behold the man' by Michael Moorcock.
Guy (fucked up psychologist/theologist type) goes back in the 1st time machine to find out the truth about jesus.
He lives with the tribe of John the Baptist, and eventually travels to Nazareth only to find out Joseph is a bum, Maria a slut and Jesus? A drooling mentally handicapped person.

He then decides to live the life of the Jesus we all know and well..eventually gets crucified. Great writing, very in-theme with Moorcock's other works (destiny vs free will)

The best thing maybe is that in another totally unrelated book set 'at the end of time' someone mentions the first time travel machine was built in the year 0.
They found the remainders of such a device from that era
The description is that of the machine from Behold the Man..

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#15 Posted on 12.8.04 0911.45
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I forget the name of the book, I read, but it dealt with a aithest archologist who found Christ's remains which would totally destroy the mythos surrounding Christ since his entire body should be heaven and not a on Earth. He was living with his friend a Cardinal in NY who might be in line to be Pope, who ends up murdering him. Its written in two POVs, one is the Cardinal and the other is a New York cop who is dating the cardinal niece and stumbles onto the murder. It was really good for what it was.

Proving Christ never existed is impossible, proving he did exist is not as impossible, most people feel that Christ existed even the Jewish and Muslium faiths, so saying Christ never existed is as absurded as saying George Washington never existed. If they said Christ had no real divine powers and just a human with a great message which I believe then yeah I could believe. I think this is a leap to big to take, but I'm at least interested to see how its done.
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#16 Posted on 12.8.04 1221.26
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Well he wasn't named Jesus, that's the Greek version of his name. I know that his Aramaic name different, I saw a possible version of it, but I am not certain what it is so I wont throw it out. The Christ bit, I believe, is the Greek translation of Messiah, but it wasn't a surname, my understanding was that they used the "Son of" or "Daughter of".

Now the Romans did keep some meticulous records, and yes historian's do agree that the man, Jesus, existed.

But I predict, probably like a lot of people this movie is going to protested incessantly.
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#17 Posted on 17.8.04 2002.34
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There is a decent amount of historical debate on the subject, with most running in favor of him existing. There's no Roman Records of him, but hey, the Romans crucified a lot of folks and forgot about them. There's also no record of him in "The Jewish War" by Flavius Josephus which was written around 75 AD- although Josephus does mention him shortly in a later work written in 90 AD, which was itself the subject of considerable translational tampering by the Church. As can be imagined, this is a subject which is hard to divorce from other considerations, so I'd take everything you read from everyone with a grain of salt.

Saying "denying he existed is like denying George Washington existed" is a little ridiculous, and I won't even go into the logical falicies in "it's easier to prove than disprove his existance." Even counting the Bible, there is no record of anything written by Jesus, and are even little-to-no first-hand accounts of him. There are no pictures or drawings of his actual likeness. There is nothing close to any kind of physical record of his existence. Everything is basically second and third-hand accounting decades after his death.

My personal thoughts are "who cares."

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