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| #1 Posted on 10.8.04 0903.53 Reposted on: 10.8.11 0914.07 | SF Chronicle/APOriginally posted by Terence Hunt for the AP President Bush on Tuesday nominated Rep. Porter Goss of Florida to head the CIA amid terror and tumult, saying the former undercover operative "knows the CIA inside and out" and can bolster its spy network.
"He is well prepared for this mission," the president said of Goss, chairman of the House intelligence committee who was an Army intelligence operative before joining the CIA the 1960s. "He's the right man to lead and support the agency at this critical moment in our nation's history."
Goss, whose nomination must be confirmed by the Senate, had been mentioned prominently in speculation about a successor to departed CIA Director George Tenet, who left amid a torrent of criticism of the agency's handling of prewar intelligence on Iraq.
An outstanding choice. Goss was a spook himself for nine years, so he knows the score going down to Langley... Promote this thread! | | DrDirt
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| #2 Posted on 10.8.04 0951.29 Reposted on: 10.8.11 0957.07 | He may be a great choice but I wonder if an outsider would serve the agency better? | Roy.
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| #3 Posted on 10.8.04 0956.00 Reposted on: 10.8.11 0957.08 | And is there going to be a confirmation fight? I understand the choice, but it seems to me that Bush is taking on another fight in congress. I'd be surprised if his guy gets pushed through quickly. | A Fan
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| #4 Posted on 10.8.04 1002.10 Reposted on: 10.8.11 1003.59 | No, outsiders tend to get eaten alive with all the politics that go on in the CIA and FBI. They are both huge organizations to run and it does need an insider's knowledge on how things work. However, in late of the gross incompetence of both organizations in the last few years mainly 9/11, going into Iraqi and still not finding Bin Laden, it needs a shake-up. Gross doesn't seem the guy to do that, so expect the same things ie relying too much on technology and not enough on human agents.
The CIA needs to do more recruiting in the Middle East and Asia ie China and North Korea. I'm sure they have agents there, but they need to really focus on that than trying to get more money for satellite photos that allow for too much human judgement like the photos Powell brought in to the UN that said Iraqi had chemical weapons, but were false. I just think the CIA is stuck fighting the Russians instead of focusing on the Middle East and Asia. Plus, they have a huge PR problem of late, so perhaps a big arrest like Bin Laden will help. | redsoxnation
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| #5 Posted on 10.8.04 1540.44 Reposted on: 10.8.11 1544.33 | My major question is whether Goss was running for re-election this year. If so, this choice just put a dent in the small margin Republicans have in the House, for what could be only a few month appointment, should election results go poorly. | Grimis
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| #6 Posted on 10.8.04 1542.40 Reposted on: 10.8.11 1544.39 | Originally posted by redsoxnation My major question is whether Goss was running for re-election this year. If so, this choice just put a dent in the small margin Republicans have in the House, for what could be only a few month appointment, should election results go poorly.
No, he was retiring. He had planned on retiring after the 2000 election, but was talked into staying one more term after 9/11 happened. | Net Hack Slasher
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| #7 Posted on 15.8.04 0224.15 Reposted on: 15.8.11 0224.20 | What a surprise, Bush picks a tool... When a very serious issue of the White House purposely identified a covert CIA agent, instead of investigating he'd rather make a flippant remark about DNA and blue dresses, idiot.
Not just I who think this is a bad decision. Goss said it himself to Michael Moore's production company during the filming of Fahrenheit 9/11 (reuters.com) ... "I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified".. "I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably".. "And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have."
Bush sure knows how to pick them | Von Maestro
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| #8 Posted on 15.8.04 1620.13 Reposted on: 15.8.11 1620.22 | Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher "I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified".. "I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably".. "And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have."
Bush sure knows how to pick them
He was obviously referring to getting work as a CIA field op. Whether or not he has the tools to be an effective CIA Director remains to be seen, but the fact that he was already with the Company in a human intelligence capacity is definitely a positive to look to... | Zeruel
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| #9 Posted on 15.8.04 1630.51 Reposted on: 15.8.11 1632.46 | Originally posted by Von Maestro
Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher "I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified".. "I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably".. "And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have."
Bush sure knows how to pick them
He was obviously referring to getting work as a CIA field op. Whether or not he has the tools to be an effective CIA Director remains to be seen, but the fact that he was already with the Company in a human intelligence capacity is definitely a positive to look to...
To me it's no different than hearing the new Chief of Police saying "I don't have the skills to be a cop." a week after being announced to the position. | Von Maestro
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| #10 Posted on 15.8.04 1931.34 Reposted on: 15.8.11 1932.00 | Originally posted by Zeruel
Originally posted by Von Maestro
Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher "I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified".. "I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably".. "And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day: 'Dad you got to get better on your computer.' Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have."
Bush sure knows how to pick them
He was obviously referring to getting work as a CIA field op. Whether or not he has the tools to be an effective CIA Director remains to be seen, but the fact that he was already with the Company in a human intelligence capacity is definitely a positive to look to...
To me it's no different than hearing the new Chief of Police saying "I don't have the skills to be a cop." a week after being announced to the position.
Someone can be an effective Chief of Police even if he is not in the necessary physical condition or marksmanship abilities to be a beat cop. One has nothing to do with the other… | MoeGates
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| #11 Posted on 16.8.04 2318.34 Reposted on: 16.8.11 2319.59 | It's certainly a politically inspired choice, which begs this question - what happenes if Goss get confirmed and Kerry wins two months later? Can he fire Goss and apoint who he wants? | A Fan
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| #12 Posted on 17.8.04 2016.58 Reposted on: 17.8.11 2019.09 | He can fire Goss which would shock me, this types of appointments are usually set in stone. The head of the FBI was J. Edgar Hoover during two different party administrations and its usually a wait and see if they hang themselves or quit thing too. I just see Goss as another guy who will not help solve the problem the CIA has which I've already pointed out plus problem a number none of us know about. I just think scrapping the CIA would be stupid, but it needs a complete overhaul as does the FBI and it would be nice to know exactly what Homeland Security is and why doesn't make one or both of those organizations obsolute. Just another thought as we get closer to re-electing the puppet prince. | Downtown Bookie
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| #13 Posted on 17.8.04 2035.41 Reposted on: 17.8.11 2038.36 | Originally posted by MoeGates It's certainly a politically inspired choice, which begs this question - what happens if Goss get confirmed and Kerry wins two months later? Can he fire Goss and appoint who he wants?
Yes. It's at the President's discretion. For example, looking at a list of past directors (wordiq.com) you can see that George Bush's service ended January 20, 1976, the day Jimmy Carter (a Democrat) was inaugurated, replacing Gerald Ford (a Republican). Likewise, Stansfield Turner, Carter's appointment to replace Bush, served his final day January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan (Republican) became President of the United States. Robert Gates falls into the same category, leaving office January 20, 1993. On the other hand, George Tenet had been a Clinton appointee, yet was carried over by the Bush administration. However, as Adm. Turner pointed out on PBS's NewsHour (pbs.org) it's almost definite that someone as partisan as Porter Goss would be replaced if Senator Kerry was to defeat President Bush in November's election.
It should also be pointed out that the President can also fire the Director of the CIA at times other than when he first takes office. For example, after the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, President Kennedy fired CIA Director Alan Dulles and CIA Deputy Director General Charles Cabell. Dulles would later be named by President Johnson to the commission to investigate the murder of President Kennedy (the Warren Commission) while General Cabell's brother, Earl, was the mayor of Dallas in 1963. But, yes, the President of the U.S. can fire the Director of the CIA. | ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE |
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