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#21 Posted on 1.8.04 2137.05 Reposted on: 1.8.11 2137.35
Originally posted by TopTenProHolyfield/Foreman was a great fight?
I admit I watched all 12 rounds on the edge of my seat, but only in hope Foreman may win. That was not a good fight, it made the champion look weak As much of a great champion Holyfield was that fight hurt him.
Foreman full of personality and grace was not a good choice to defend the title against. It seemed his chin got even stronger with age, and it exploited Holyfield's weakness, punching power.
Foreman gave the division something it needed, a replacement for Tyson. With Tyson in jail the heavyweights needed George, and he did well distracting us from the "Larry Holmes" of the 90s (Holyfield).
Someone pointed out Lewis was hurt by Bowe not defending against him, the same is true for Holyfield,because of Tyson. Although Holyfield defeated Tyson twice he never defeated Tyson v.1 (to steal from Hardy).
Holyfield not beating Tyson wasn't due to his ducking Tyson though, it was due to Tyson looking ahead to the Holyfield fight in the fall and not taking the Douglas fight seriously. Remember, Tyson had been floored in sparring in the week leading to the Douglas fight, so the warning signs were apparent to those paying attention (was slightly paying attention, as I had a few bucks on Douglas lasting over 3 rounds). And, Holyfield fought Foreman, Bowe, Douglas, Lewis. Who did Tyson fight pre-Douglas? An overblown Cruiserweight in Spinks and a washed up Holmes. Trevor Berbick, Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher Smith to win the 3 World Title belts wasn't exactly going through Louis, Patterson and Ali. And between Douglas and prison, he looked subpar in his 2 fights against Razor Ruddock.
#23 Posted on 2.8.04 2225.58 Reposted on: 2.8.11 2226.31
Originally posted by TopTenPro Mike Tyson, I claim to this day knocked Douglas out for at least 12 seconds in that fight.
I admit, at the beginning of the bought I called a friend and said Tyson doesn't look right; this is before the fight started. Tyson was losing the fight, but he did knock Buster out!
But in the official book of boxing, Douglas knocked Tyson out, and with that knock out put a so far 20 year jinx on the boxing industry. The sport has been a joke since that fight, and turned Douglas into the perfect "transitional" champion.
If Tyson doesn't go to his corner, the count stops. Good enough for Dempsey, good enough for Tyson.
Looking at Tyson's career up until that point, you can see that he had problems (better said "didn't destroy") against much taller foes that could either box a bit (Quick Tillis W10, Tony Tucker W12, Jose Ribalta KO10) or had long enough arms to keep him away (Bonecrusher Smith W12).
You also must see that Douglas was in unbelievable condition for the fight. He was at the absolute peak of his career. When right, Douglas could box VERY well, and could sting some too.
It was his lack of conditioning for the Holyfield slopfest that made him a joke.
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